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yourdeadwright

charolais0153 wrote: »

The same reaspn why we are 5 points ahead of city as instead of only 3?. After all as tge turd saus. Hes our most natural goalscorer

Most natural goal scorer is nonsense, He misses chances like everyone else in fact he normally misses one or two before he score's

According to people and the media one of the below is a natural finisher and ones isn't can you guess which is which ?


Studge 109 Prem games 50 goals

Salah 51 Prem games 48 goals

murpho999

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Yep I want us to win the Prem if we go far in the Champions league we wont , we don't have the squad to do it,

Perfect world we win both but lets be real we have 3 attacking players without them we are in big trouble ,

We do have the squad, players to come back, including Ox.

Winning is a habit and a winning the Champion's League against Bayern will be good for mood, form and confidence as opposed to a defeat.

Defeats rarely have positives.

Boom_Bap

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Yep I want us to win the Prem if we go far in the Champions league we wont , we don't have the squad to do it,

Perfect world we win both but lets be real we have 3 attacking players without them we are in big trouble ,

We do have the squad, and it's being managed very well at the moment with the squad players getting game time and fitting into the starting 11 while coping with defensive injuries.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Wheety wrote: »

I think some people need to get a grip. As said above, if both City and Liverpool won their games we'd be happy even thought the gap would still be 4 points. Now it's 5 and we've blown it?

First time dropping points against a team outside the 'big' 6.
Leicester have beaten City and Chelsea recently.
The pitch last night was slush and we couldn't pass it as well as usual. The ball kept slowing down.

Look at it another way, perspective is great, if our game and City's games swapped nights and we drew with Leicester on Tuesday, we'd be celebrating Newcastle's win last night as if it's written in the stars to win the league

Before this gameweek:
4 point lead and 15 games left.

After this gameweek:
5 point lead and 14 games left.

It's pretty much the same scenario: we have to lose less than two games more than them. Only change is, a loss and a draw might mean we can take them on goal difference.

BullBlackNova

Wheety wrote: »

I think some people need to get a grip. As said above, if both City and Liverpool won their games we'd be happy even though the gap would still be 4 points. Now it's 5 and we've blown it?

First time dropping points against a team outside the 'big' 6.
Leicester have beaten City and Chelsea recently.
The pitch last night was slush and we couldn't pass it as well as usual. The ball kept slowing down.

Look at it another way, perspective is great, if our game and City's games swapped nights and we drew with Leicester on Tuesday, we'd be celebrating Newcastle's win last night as if it's written in the stars to win the league

Before this gameweek:
4 point lead and 15 games left.

After this gameweek:
5 point lead and 14 games left.

Yeah I think people need to calm down a little. Frustrating not to take maximum points when there was the chance to extend our advantage further but we are further ahead than when we started this week.

Back to it against West Ham and hopefully back to winning ways.

Is that a Monday night game? I f*cking hate Monday night games.

yourdeadwright

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

It's pretty much the same scenario: we have to lose less than two games more than them. Only change is, a loss and a draw might mean we can take them on goal difference.

2 draws now mean they would still be behind us , With 4 points gap they'd be ahead on goals difference,

Turtyturd

I do think the one thing we really lack is the ability to bombard the opponents goal when we are chasing a late goal. I know we’ve scored late goals but there’s never that sense that a goal is coming as the pressure builds. Most of injury time ends in a damp squib.

Suppose it doesn’t help when the player you bring on to try get that goal is shooting for the corner flag from outside the box.

facehugger99

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Yep I want us to win the Prem if we go far in the Champions league we wont , we don't have the squad to do it,

We'd only have an additional 5 games after the Bayern tie to potentially win the CL.

We can definitely handle 5 extra games spread over 3.5 months.

yourdeadwright

Boom_Bap wrote: »

We do have the squad, and it's being managed very well at the moment with the squad players getting game time and fitting into the starting 11 while coping with defensive injuries.

Really ? at the back and holding midfielders probably ,
Last night chasing a goal on comes ,Studge and Lallana both well past playing for top 6 sides, We have the worst attacking depth of the top 3

City =Sergio Jesus, Sane, Sterling, Marhez, Silva,
Spurs =Kane ,Son, ALi, Lamela, Llorente ,Moura

yourdeadwright

Turtyturd wrote: »

I do think the one thing we really lack is the ability to bombard the opponents goal when we are chasing a late goal. I know we’ve scored late goals but there’s never that sense that a goal is coming as the pressure builds. Most of injury time ends in a damp squib.

Suppose it doesn’t help when the player you bring on to try get that goal is shooting for the corner flag from outside the box.

I reckon that down to not having a playmaker as such but probably makes us more solid, Miss Phil at times when teams camp deep in there box,

City = two Silva's , KDB
Spurs = Eirkson

SlickRic

Turtyturd wrote: »

Suppose it doesn’t help when the player you bring on to try get that goal is shooting for the corner flag from outside the box.

this is the issue.

if our front 3 don't fire, we actually find it extremely difficult. so much of the responsibility is on them as our backups are largely useless in that department. that Sturridge goal against Chelsea, while magnificent, will not be replicated often enough to justify his spot.

Harry Palmr

yourdeadwright wrote: »

My thoughts

4 2 3 1 didn't work ,we should have went 4 4 3,

Firstly at the back the 2 CB could not split wide enough as there was no one player dropping between them , Normally our 6 in a 443 does this this then meant only one full back could push on at any one time, it was mostly Henderson , Robbo had to stay back ,

The knock on effect from that was Shaq but mostly Mane where picking up balls to wide almost as naturally wingers, Instead of between the full back and CB as inside forwards where they are best,

Also because of the double 6 we played either of Gini or Keita broke the line and moves forward as both where nervous about losing the ball and being caught out with the other one parallel , With one 6 in a 4 3 3 the two midfielders either side can break line and know they have the insurance of the 6 behind them to cover,

Because we had no midfielder breaking the lines it also felt our front 4 where there to early ( infront of the ball) , so it let Leicester sit in shape and not worry about the runners,

Anyway poor display not help by the weather and the ref but we move one point further ahead, lets just keep going and not panic,

We really need quick attackers off the bench its something we have lacked for some time,
Everyone coming on is slow , we can't introduce anyone with pace if the front 3 aren't at there best,

Mane man of the match for me for his sheer effort,

Don't often agree with you but on this i certainly do, and it's not being done for the right reason (if there even is one) having four attackers means the front line is congested and someone ends up dropping deeper to pickup the balls from that "flat" midfield (Firmino mainly, then Mane as a rule) if that's the case then surely it's better to play a three and deploy one to hold, one to recirculate/link and one to drive forward from deep, hopefully the return of Ox-Cham will force a return to 4-3-3 and keep Shaqiri as a strong bench option. Last night it was thin pickings with Lallana, Sturridge and Origi - it's quite likely not one of them will be at the club beyond the summer.

dogbert27

The issue last night was the the RB position.

Playing Henderson there Klopp went with a 4231 with the two to support the defense rather than drive the attack.

If we had a fit Gomez or TAA we will go back to 433.

yourdeadwright

SlickRic wrote: »

this is the issue.

if our front 3 don't fire, we actually find it extremely difficult. so much of the responsibility is on them as our backups are largely useless in that department. that Sturridge goal against Chelsea, while magnificent, will not be replicated often enough to justify his spot.

I found it crazy it wasn't addressed in the summer , I know we spen big on the midfield and keeper , Its mental how Sturridge is still our first choice back up after about 4 years of not being good enough,

Really thought with him going on loan last January that was that but I reckon it was the board told Jürgen there was no cash to bring in another attacking player after the keeper and Midfield was spent on , To be fair they gave him a lot of cash ,

Nerdlingr

Dunno if hes gone to Monaco or not yet but anything to be said for getting Kagawa in on loan? Good bench option? Can play that Number 10. Meaning we can free up Bobby or mix it round with salah on the wing .... Klopp has worked with him in the past etc etc.

No? Ok.

murpho999

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Really ? at the back and holding midfielders probably ,
Last night chasing a goal on comes ,Studge and Lallana both well past playing for top 6 sides, We have the worst attacking depth of the top 3

City =Sergio Jesus, Sane, Sterling, Marhez, Silva,
Spurs =Kane ,Son, ALi, Lamela, Llorente ,Moura

We have Salah, Firnino, Mane, Ox, Shaqiri, Fabinho,Keita, Sturridge and Lallana.

So I don't see your point. Not many of the Spurs names you mention would make the Liverpool squad.

SlickRic

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I found it crazy it wasn't addressed in the summer , I know we spen big on the midfield and keeper , Its mental how Sturridge is still our first choice back up after about 4 years of not being good enough,

Really thought with him going on loan last January that was that but I reckon it was the board told Jürgen there was no cash to bring in another attacking player after the keeper and Midfield was spent on , To be fair they gave him a lot of cash ,

we can only reasonably do so much with the squad at any given time to be fair.

VVD, Alisson, Fabinho, Shaqiri and Keita is some big investment in some absolutely key positions. plus, we'd have had Fekir but for it falling apart through no real fault of our own.

as Klopp says, it's not about just filling a space. you have to get the right player. that tactic has served us well recently, so i have every faith that we just couldn't find the right player who could make the difference we need, yet be happy to somewhat play second fiddle. we found one such player in Shaqiri for the midfield 3, but we just haven't found it for our front 3 yet.

RollieFingers

Keita frustrated me last night, he's far too slow releasing the ball, slowed us down in the first half and lost a few 50/50 tackles. He will come good I'm sure, and subbing him when he did was probably the worst time, ten minute period before he got taken off was his most dangerous.

yourdeadwright

murpho999 wrote: »

We have Salah, Firnino, Mane, Ox, Shaqiri, Fabinho,Keita, Sturridge and Lallana.

So I don't see your point. Not many of the Spurs names you mention would make the Liverpool squad.

Fabhinho is a holding midfielder ?
Keita is a centre mid , ?
Ox is used a CM here to and his most goals in a season is 3 ,

Salah, Bobby, Mane are class and walk into any squad.,

Kane, Erikson Son , Ali , all better than Shaq so would get in our squad no problem .,

yourdeadwright

RollieFingers wrote: »

Keita frustrated me last night, he's far too slow releasing the ball, slowed us down in the first half and lost a few 50/50 tackles. He will come good I'm sure, and subbing him when he did was probably the worst time, ten minute period before he got taken off was his most dangerous.

I'v always called Keita out but last night he played as a double 6 so he was always going to be cautious and just recycle it was his roll in the team ,
4 attackers and full back's there there to create ,

murpho999

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Fabhinho is a holding midfielder ?
Keita is a centre mid , ?
Ox is used a CM here to and his most goals in a season is 3 ,

Salah, Bobby, Mane are class and walk into any squad.,

Kane, Erikson Son , Ali , all better than Shaq so would get in our squad no problem .,

I still don't think Lamela or Llorente are amazing options.

Also, it's about creating goals for the front 3 not just scoring and we have decent optiions there.

We have a squad that has got 61 points out of 72 so far and I don't see why we'll struggle any more for the rest of the season.

RollieFingers

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I'v always called Keita out but last night he played as a double 6 so he was always going to be cautious and just recycle it was his roll in the team ,
4 attackers and full back's there there to create ,

We'll have to agree to disagree on his performance last night, he got an average rating of 5.7.

8-10

murpho999 wrote: »

We have Salah,

Do do do do do do

yourdeadwright

murpho999 wrote: »

I still don't think Lamela or Llorente are amazing options.

Also, it's about creating goals for the front 3 not just scoring and we have decent optiions there.

We have a squad that has got 61 points out of 72 so far and I don't see why we'll struggle any more for the rest of the season.

I'm not knocking them the issue is if the front 3 don't play ,
Id have LLorente slightly ahead of Studge although both are poor for top sides I'd have Lamela 100% instead of Lallana

Yes up to now squad has dobe well as the front 3 have started almost every game , with the Champions league about to kick in again that you need the squad ,

yourdeadwright

RollieFingers wrote: »

We'll have to agree to disagree on his performance last night, he got an average rating of 5.7.

I'm not saying he played great but as a 6 I didn't expect much else from him He didn't do much wrong for the position he played, Plus he is not a natural 6 so I thought he was ok ,

ERG89

Last night was the first time this season I doubted the quality of our squad. We had nobody to come on to change it & we've no injuries in attack.
Matip, Keita, Lallana, Shaqiri & Sturridge are basically are our bench this season but when called upon last night none of them left a good impression some were very bad. Milner & Henderson as makeshift right backs were poor in the last 2 games but that was no surprise to me.
Looking back with Madisson pulling back 2 chances & not getting a square pass for an easy tap in we were lucky. I don't think last night was an anomaly as we were bad at the back vs Palace too.
Hopefully Gomez & Alexander Arnold are fit soon as we look a mess at the back right now.

rob316

Keita was actually showing something last night just before he got subbed off. That's what he was doing at RBL, running with the ball from deep, quick 1,2 and causing trouble in the box.

Fabinho should of started, we looked so much better when he came on.

Not buying the pressure got to us last night, its more the injuries and forced formations and line ups. Loaning out Clyne I still maintain wasn't a good idea, without a specialist right back we have compromised our midfield and started conceding goals. 1 goal conceded at home before the last 2 games, 4 in 2 then.

Conditions were poor yes but a full strength side takes 3 points last night handy.

Still I never expected City to drop points to Newcastle so 1 point gained isn't bad week with City having to play Arsenal, Everton and Chelsea in the next week.

Osmosis Jones

If the ref calls it right then we're all praising Keita for an incisive move that earns us a penalty.

SlickRic

one other thing is, I don't understand the utter disappointment in Keita.

no, he hasn't hit the heights that much of our own hype suggested he might, but even last night, he wasn't bad. we actually have him far further back on the pitch than he should be. he is not a DM. when he has to do it, you see him making annoying fouls, etc etc.

if he's further up the pitch consistently, he'll be dynamite. i know he will.

if Atkinson was in any way competent, his one two with Firmino would've likely resulted in a goal.

ERG89

SlickRic wrote:

one other thing is, I don't understand the utter disappointment in Keita.

Cost a LOT of money.
Club & player had a year of knowing he was coming in which should be in his favour. Wasn't at the world cup & took part in pre season.
Played well in the first few games but since has fallen off in a big way. The games pass him by & he looks tentative. If he wasn't at Liverpool I wouldn't even think I'd take a second look at him never mind see him catch the eye. He's been poor even when playing in a team in good form this season.

citytillidie

If the Ox hits the ground running late March that would be a welcome return someone else to run from the middle and open spaces

Harry Palmr

I think we'll all be much happier when the midfield first picks are drawn from Fabby, Gini, Ox-Cham and Naby but also when TAA and Gomez are back - next game maybe?

Boom_Bap

I think Ox is expected to be back in full training in March. I wouldn't expect him to be back in the squad then, there will probably be a number of U23 appearances and sub appearances for a bit.
I dont we will see much of an influence from him until next season.

MD1990

Wouldn't expect anything from Ox this season.

Hopefully a few injury free appearances.

Wheety

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

If the ref calls it right then we're all praising Keita for an incisive move that earns us a penalty.

I think we're praising him, for that move anyway. But we need to see more of that from him.

Luckycharms_74

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I think we'll all be much happier when the midfield first picks are drawn from Fabby, Gini, Ox-Cham and Naby but also when TAA and Gomez are back - next game maybe?

Here are the possible return dated for our injuries

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - Knee Injury - 30/03/2019
Joe Gomez - Ankle/Foot Injury - 19/02/2019
Trent Alexander-Arnold - Knee Injury - 04/02/2019

Pepp1989

Saw quotes from VVD saying he picked up on the nervousness of the crowd.

Said both crowd and players need to remain calm.

Hopefully the message gets through.

Gbear

The crowd noise on TV is always a bit of a con, with the director controlling the mics able to determine how loud they are, but I did think the crowd made a conscious effort on several occasions to try and push through their nervousness and sing for the team.

There's no helping human nature beyond that.

I don't think there's any particular need to wring our hands over the performance. It happens. Conditions, physical and refereeing, tough opponents. A bit flat. We're usually very good at bouncing back from bad results so I expect a good result if not a good performance against West Ham.

yourdeadwright

Gbear wrote: »

The crowd noise on TV is always a bit of a con, with the director controlling the mics able to determine how loud they are, but I did think the crowd made a conscious effort on several occasions to try and push through their nervousness and sing for the team.

There's no helping human nature beyond that.

I don't think there's any particular need to wring our hands over the performance. It happens. Conditions, physical and refereeing, tough opponents. A bit flat. We're usually very good at bouncing back from bad results so I expect a good result if not a good performance against West Ham.

To be fair lads the crowd must of being freezing last night , All these things count for the atmosphere,

Pepp1989

yourdeadwright wrote:

To be fair lads the crowd must of being freezing last night , All these things count for the atmosphere,

Ya that is fair.

Its just the groans that obviously get to the players. Fair enough if it's the last 5 mins and they are pissing about but it was happening very early on.

charolais0153

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I think we'll all be much happier when the midfield first picks are drawn from Fabby, Gini, Ox-Cham and Naby but also when TAA and Gomez are back - next game maybe?

Henderson was one of the best players last night

sideswipe

SlickRic wrote: »

one other thing is, I don't understand the utter disappointment in Keita.

no, he hasn't hit the heights that much of our own hype suggested he might, but even last night, he wasn't bad. we actually have him far further back on the pitch than he should be. he is not a DM. when he has to do it, you see him making annoying fouls, etc etc.

if he's further up the pitch consistently, he'll be dynamite. i know he will.

if Atkinson was in any way competent, his one two with Firmino would've likely resulted in a goal.

+1

He strikes me as nervous. A lot of sideways and backwards passes. Some players take longer to adapt to a new team and country. I still hope and believe with a run of games and confidence we'll see a marked improvement. I do fear it may be next season when this happens though.

Irishmale0399

Keita has 2 big problems...

1. He hasnt adapted to Liverpools speed of play and the formation.
2. He hasnt adapted to the physical side of the English game.

Lets hope he is a Klopp special and comes good in his second season.

5starpool

Keita was far from poor last night. I was disappointed when he was taken off for Lallana. Shaqiri was virtually anonymous last night, and hasn't made much of an impact in recent game yet it hasn't been mentioned much. I'd rather have made the one sub at that point, Fabinho on for Shaqiri, and push Keita a little further forward.

Certainly no need for panic, and the calls for us to deliberately get knocked out of the CL (even though it might well happen naturally) are nonsense. The CL is different fish to the FA Cup and the likes, and the addition of potentially 4 more games (I won't count the final as it is after the end of the PL) shouldn't make the difference between winning and losing the PL. If it came to it, that with 5 PL games left and we're a couple of points clear, for arguments sake, Klopp rested a couple of people in a CL semi final to keep them fresh for a PL game 3 days later, I'd be ok with that if it is what he judged to be the right thing, but there is no way we should be punting the CL in February.

At the business end of the season anyhow, unless players are knackered or carrying a knock, there will be little rotation when we could win 2 comps, and that is as it should be.

MD1990

Shaqiri is best used as an impact sub.

Would like to see Gini,Fabinho & Keita given a run in midfield.

Thud

Turtyturd wrote: »

I do think the one thing we really lack is the ability to bombard the opponents goal when we are chasing a late goal. I know we’ve scored late goals but there’s never that sense that a goal is coming as the pressure builds. Most of injury time ends in a damp squib.

Agree with this we don't have much of an aerial threat so when a team is sitting back defending and we are swinging in crosses our best hope is that the clearance is messed up and we can score from that (same for corners). We are lacking a long range shooter (possibly Shaq) at the moment to mix it up in those scenarios.

RollieFingers

For all the **** Lallana gets, he was the only player who got in behind their defence in the second half. I think

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

We're not underdogs but we could easily surrender a 7 point lead with a few key injuries. 15 games still to play, its madness claiming Liverpool are champions elect.

PhuckHugh

A good week for Liverpool. They have extended their lead at the top of the table. The rest is only sh-ite talk.

jones

Anyone else surprised that we havent bought anyone during the window?

I know a lot was spent in the summer but our defence in particular looks like it could do with some bolstering. TAA, Gomez, Matip and Lovern are all injury prone. We have a strong starting back 4 but when one is injured there is a drop off. Milner/Henderson at RB is not the answer.

I do think we need something "different" upfront. The front 3 are amazing but we need a plan b. Shaq is definitely better coming off the bench than starting and does offer us something different. I had Lallana resigned to the bin but i thought he looked more like his old self last night (still not sure if he's good enough though)