Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2019

Nerdlingr

Keita was poor last night. Dont know how we can say otherwise. He has an awful tendency to over-run the ball or not play the simple pass.
I dont think he's making the correct decisions for the team right now.
Obviously his strength is running with the ball and he did that to great effect in the one-two with firmino that resulted in the penalty claim, but otherwise he's been pretty poor/average whenever he's played.
Sometimes its takes a player a good while to settle and were seeing that with Naby. Its just disappointing he hasn't hit any kind of form or shown what he capable of after all the youtube videos posted last year and the length of time we spent chasing him etc.

Henderson, Fabinho and wijnaldum are our best CM three at the mo. Hopefully the ox will be back soon to add that drive from midfield.

Worst thing for me last night was the players mindset...they didnt seem to be up for the game at all. Even after going 1-0 up inside two minutes. We should have blown Leicester off the pitch after that, ala the old Rodgers blitz, where was the urgency to get two/three .
Not too downhearted, we have after all gained a point on city after another round of matches, its just the lingering sense of ..what might have been.

Chesty08

5starpool wrote: »

Keita was far from poor last night. I was disappointed when he was taken off for Lallana. Shaqiri was virtually anonymous last night, and hasn't made much of an impact in recent game yet it hasn't been mentioned much. I'd rather have made the one sub at that point, Fabinho on for Shaqiri, and push Keita a little further forward.

Certainly no need for panic, and the calls for us to deliberately get knocked out of the CL (even though it might well happen naturally) are nonsense. The CL is different fish to the FA Cup and the likes, and the addition of potentially 4 more games (I won't count the final as it is after the end of the PL) shouldn't make the difference between winning and losing the PL. If it came to it, that with 5 PL games left and we're a couple of points clear, for arguments sake, Klopp rested a couple of people in a CL semi final to keep them fresh for a PL game 3 days later, I'd be ok with that if it is what he judged to be the right thing, but there is no way we should be punting the CL in February.

At the business end of the season anyhow, unless players are knackered or carrying a knock, there will be little rotation when we could win 2 comps, and that is as it should be.

Completely agree. I thought Keita was one of our better players in that at least he was trying to make things happen, looking to break lines etc,,

For me, Shaqiri was anonymous and has been absolutely dire since his magic cameo against Utd.

As for Lallana,his day as a Top 6 player is done

RollieFingers

"It’s come to my attention – via a reliable source – that there was a lot more illness in the Reds’ camp last week in Dubai last week than was let on before the game" - Paul Tomkins, possibly explains why they seemed a bit off the pace last night.

facehugger99

RollieFingers wrote: »

"It’s come to my attention – via a reliable source – that there was a lot more illness in the Reds’ camp last week in Dubai last week than was let on before the game" - Paul Tomkins, possibly explains why they seemed a bit off the pace last night.

Dodgy lasagna?

robwen

https://twitter.com/RickiKenny/status/1090794051450875904?s=19

A faux outrage failure

NabyLadistheman

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Keita has 2 big problems...

1. He hasnt adapted to Liverpools speed of play and the formation.
2. He hasnt adapted to the physical side of the English game.

Lets hope he is a Klopp special and comes good in his second season.

If you think Keita hasn't adapted ti the speed of play then Id don't know what to say about Lallana & Sturridge. Million miles off the pace

PhuckHugh

vvd lost 2 kg last week through illness.

MD1990

I'd take Gray as a forward option in the summer.

He would be like Mane in 2016.

Develop him and he would be very dangerous.

MaceFace

Looking at the positives...

After a great first half of the season, we have had plenty of injuries, so if we do become Champions, no one can say we were lucky with injuries.

We are averaging 2.54 points per game which would be 96 points over 38 games. Only City (last year) have done better.

Last nights result felt like a loss to many, but we increased our lead at the top.

We are top of the table.

On paper, we have an easier run in than City.

Last night was one of our poorest games in a long time and we still avoided defeat.

Luckycharms_74

Kyle Walker had to backtrack and delete this.

I hope it comes back to bite him in the ass.

Boom_Bap

robwen wrote: »

A faux outrage failure

Yeah, firstly, not the LFC bench.

Turtyturd

I’d say there were one or two on here who had it posted before quickly deleting it.

Chesty08

MD1990 wrote: »

I'd take Gray as a forward option in the summer.

He would be like Mane in 2016.

Develop him and he would be very dangerous.

Maddison a much better player

martyos121

facehugger99 wrote: »

Dodgy lasagna?

Poisoned by Abu Dhabi sheikhs on a day trip?

Gbear

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Kyle Walker had to backtrack and delete this.

I hope it comes back to bite him in the ass.

Seems pretty harmless.

Not sure why.

Maybe Pep gave him an earful. He seems like a very serious man.

BullBlackNova

MD1990 wrote: »

I'd take Gray as a forward option in the summer.

He would be like Mane in 2016.

Develop him and he would be very dangerous.

I'm not sure Gray is at the level Mané was in 2016 and I've not seen much to suggest he will get there either. Hard worker and a pacy, tricky player for sure but he's not a good finisher.

By way of comparison: at Southampton, in his last season, Mané hit 15 goals in all comps. In his entire career, Gray has managed 16.

I just think there'd be better options than Gray if we were looking for an attacker tbh.

But, it is worth noting that he is just 22 and has had quite a turnover of managers and styles, which probably hasn't helped his development at this stage.

The Mig

Naby was one of our better players last night. Thought Shaq, Firmino and Salah were disappointing

yourdeadwright

BullBlackNova wrote: »

I'm not sure Gray is at the level Mané was in 2016 and I've not seen much to suggest he will get there either. Hard worker and a pacy, tricky player for sure but he's not a good finisher.

By way of comparison: at Southampton, in his last season, Mané hit 15 goals in all comps. In his entire career, Gray has managed 16.

I just think there'd be better options than Gray if we were looking for an attacker tbh.

But, it is worth noting that he is just 22 and has had quite a turnover of managers and styles, which probably hasn't helped his development at this stage.

Gray is decent but not good enough for us , He's the type player we'd have singed under Rodgers ,

garra

ebbsy wrote: »

Yes it was a peno, but Keita should have shot earlier ?

Agreed, he could have taken it right-footed with 2nd touch or left-footed with 3rd touch, instead had to take extra step to take it right-footed on 3rd touch and that allowed the challenge. All happens in a split second but a confident player gets a good effort away there. He seems to be improving but has as many brain farts offensively as Moreno used to have defensively.

Talisman

MD1990 wrote: »

I'd take Gray as a forward option in the summer.

He would be like Mane in 2016.

Develop him and he would be very dangerous.

Liverpool were interested in both him and Chilwell back in 2016.

Fromvert

Keita has been fine as an overall player, not good but not rubbish. My biggest issue with him is his lack of affect in the final third, last night being one of the few times he got himself into a position to affect it and he should have got a peno. He needs to do more of that. He usually gets to play in the more advanced role of the midfield and is in a team that has most of the possession and creates more chances, he's neither creating chances or scoring them. In the League, we've played 24 and he's been involved in 17, two of the sub appearances where for a minute or two so not much he'd do in those games. But he's clearly not affecting the play near enough when we're attacking.

Games - 10 starts, 7 subs, 874 minutes
Goals - 0
Assists - 1
Big Chances created - 1
Through Balls - 3
Shots - 19, 8 on target

Fromvert

garra wrote: »

Agreed, he could have taken it right-footed with 2nd touch or left-footed with 3rd touch, instead had to take extra step to take it right-footed on 3rd touch and that allowed the challenge. All happens in a split second but a confident player gets a good effort away there. He seems to be improving but has as many brain farts offensively as Moreno used to have defensively.

I think he needs to take it on his left and go across goal or high to the nearest post. The outside of the right foot just isn't the right option, his left foot may be weaker but he doesn't need to generate a lot of power from that far out. Yes he should have had a peno but he just seemed to making the wrong decision. There's been a couple of times where he's just waited too long or made the wrong decision when in a good position. One early in the season against Spurs I remember, he's on his left foot maybe 6-8 yards out and instead of shooting he tries to squeeze a pass through players to Mane and the pass is blocked.

yourdeadwright

Fromvert wrote: »

Keita has been fine as an overall player, not good but not rubbish. My biggest issue with him is his lack of affect in the final third, last night being one of the few times he got himself into a position to affect it and he should have got a peno. He needs to do more of that. He usually gets to play in the more advanced role of the midfield and is in a team that has most of the possession and creates more chances, he's neither creating chances or scoring them. In the League, we've played 24 and he's been involved in 17, two of the sub appearances where for a minute or two so not much he'd do in those games. But he's clearly not affecting the play near enough when we're attacking.

Games - 10 starts, 7 subs, 874 minutes
Goals - 0
Assists - 1
Big Chances created - 1
Through Balls - 3
Shots - 19, 8 on target

His stat's are appalling to be fair,
Someone said it here best why to descried his time here is Shy .

MD1990

BullBlackNova wrote: »

I'm not sure Gray is at the level Mané was in 2016 and I've not seen much to suggest he will get there either. Hard worker and a pacy, tricky player for sure but he's not a good finisher.

By way of comparison: at Southampton, in his last season, Mané hit 15 goals in all comps. In his entire career, Gray has managed 16.

I just think there'd be better options than Gray if we were looking for an attacker tbh.

But, it is worth noting that he is just 22 and has had quite a turnover of managers and styles, which probably hasn't helped his development at this stage.

Mane was 24 when we signed him.

Gray still only 22. I think he has huge potential.

Maddison is good but we need another attacker with pace.

yourdeadwright

Fromvert wrote: »

I think he needs to take it on his left and go across goal or high to the nearest post. The outside of the right foot just isn't the right option, his left foot may be weaker but he doesn't need to generate a lot of power from that far out. Yes he should have had a peno but he just seemed to making the wrong decision. There's been a couple of times where he's just waited too long or made the wrong decision when in a good position. One early in the season against Spurs I remember, he's on his left foot maybe 6-8 yards out and instead of shooting he tries to squeeze a pass through players to Mane and the pass is blocked.

If he wasn't fouled last night, he may have scored the winner in a big game at the Kop end what a lift it would have given him ,

Fromvert

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If he wasn't fouled last night, he may have scored the winner in a big game at the Kop end what a lift it would have given him ,

Could just as much hit a weak shot wide of the post, we'll never know but he definitely needs something to lift his game. He's shown tiny flashes there's a player who can influence the attack (without getting goals or assists), we just need to see it a lot more.

yourdeadwright

Fromvert wrote: »

Could just as much hit a weak shot wide of the post, we'll never know but he definitely needs something to lift his game. He's shown tiny flashes there's a player who can influence the attack (without getting goals or assists), we just need to see it a lot more.

That's why I said he MAY have,
He's been a let down I don't think anyone can dispute that we all expected more, Hopefully he turns it around ,

The problem with challenging for a title is you can't give players a chance to play there way into form , If there not preforming out of the team they go
Its a nice problem to have,

facehugger99

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The problem with challenging for a title is you can't give players a chance to play there way into form , If there not preforming out of the team they go
Its a nice problem to have,

I don't think Klopp would have started him last night were it not for Fab's knock, Milner's suspension and Henderson having to fill in at RB.

I'll be shocked if he starts next Monday.

yourdeadwright

facehugger99 wrote: »

I don't think Klopp would have started him last night were it not for Fab's knock, Milner's suspension and Henderson having to fill in at RB.

I'll be shocked if he starts next Monday.

Have we anyone back on Monday

mosstin

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Kyle Walker had to backtrack and delete this.

I hope it comes back to bite him in the ass.

That's kinda funny, no? People get outraged about everything these days. Apologies are demanded for everything.

dogbert27

mosstin wrote: »

That's kinda funny, no? People get outraged about everything these days. Apologies are demanded for everything.

Well what's stupid of Kyle Walker is that no, Liverpool didn't assume they'd go 7 points clear but we did go one point clear seeing as HIS team couldn't win the night before.

Pep probably did tell him to take it down because it made him and the club look stupid.

It's the equivalent of a Liverpool player posting sxxt about Man City after the Newcastle game.

Klopp would have killed anyone who posted sxxt like that.

Klopp made a comment about the Dubai trip how it was good in that there was no social media postings from anybody bar 1 video of the Ox in the gym.

Knex*

He should have told everyone to **** off and just leave it up. People take too much notice. We live in a mad callout culture.

dogbert27

mosstin wrote: »

That's kinda funny, no? People get outraged about everything these days. Apologies are demanded for everything.

Maybe it would be funnier if the caption read, "So basically they thought they were gonna go 7 points ahead but then I obstructed Salah in the box with my elbow, should have been sent off for taken Mane out when he was clear through and then I score the equaliser!"

dogbert27

But yeah it should be left up. Printed out, put in the LFC dressing room and said Man City are taking the piss out of you after that performance!

yourdeadwright

dogbert27 wrote: »

Maybe it would be funnier if the caption read, "So basically they thought they were gonna go 7 points ahead but then I obstructed Salah in the box with my elbow, should have been sent off for taken Mane out when he was clear through and then I score the equaliser!"

No way was that peno on Salah ,
Same as Robbo done to Sterling at City place ,
Defender does not have to move out of the way

facehugger99

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Have we anyone back on Monday

Milner's back from suspension and I'm presuming Fab will be OK to start.

TAA a possibility, which obviously frees up Hendo too

dogbert27

yourdeadwright wrote: »

No way was that peno on Salah ,
Same as Robbo done to Sterling at City place ,
Defender does not have to move out of the way

He moved towards Salah with his arm raised and connected with his chin. Salah made a meal of it though.

Robbo got away with that one.

yourdeadwright

dogbert27 wrote: »

He moved towards Salah with his arm raised and connected with his chin. Salah made a meal of it though.

Robbo got away with that one.

Never peno's you can't expect the defender to disappear or just get out of your way ,

dogbert27

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Never peno's you can't expect the defender to disappear or just get out of your way ,

Matip did the exact same thing to Vardy beforehand and got a yellow for it and Leicester a free kick.

yourdeadwright

dogbert27 wrote: »

Matip did the exact same thing to Vardy beforehand and got a yellow for it and Leicester a free kick.

No he didn't ,
Matip ran across Vardy's path and made it look like the collided , Salah ran into Maguire there is a difference ,

Infact Maddison was more like Salah's he touched the ball right then ran left into Hendo trying to get a free,

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.instagram.com/p/BtTWqXoFk4B/

BorneTobyWilde

What's the plot, Salah to United, ha

Crash Bang Wall

yourdeadwright wrote: »

No way was that peno on Salah ,
Same as Robbo done to Sterling at City place ,
Defender does not have to move out of the way

Not a Salah pen, and I dont think it was a definite red card for the Mane foul......but the one on Keita was a stone wall pen

dogbert27

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

What's the plot, Salah to United, ha

Salah and Pogba to Barcelona!! :pac:

yourdeadwright

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

Not a Salah pen, and I dont think it was a definite red card for the Mane foul......but the one on Keita was a stone wall pen

I agree , Salah no pen, Mane 50/50 , Naby 100% pen

Gbear

yourdeadwright wrote: »

No way was that peno on Salah ,
Same as Robbo done to Sterling at City place ,
Defender does not have to move out of the way

He has to not elbow him in the throat.

yourdeadwright

Gbear wrote: »

He has to not elbow him in the throat.

Salah ran into him , no one appealed it
No mention after the game it wasn't a peno , Sometime there is contact,

BorneTobyWilde

Modern footballers, would you have seen Roy Keane and Viera hanging out and sharing an all smiles photo in the middle of a football season.
Maybe it's a commercial thing..

robwen

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Modern footballers, would you have seen Roy Keane and Viera hanging out and sharing an all smiles photo in the middle of a football season.
Maybe it's a commercial thing..

An Adidas thing

dogbert27

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Modern footballers, would you have seen Roy Keane and Viera hanging out and sharing an all smiles photo in the middle of a football season.
Maybe it's a commercial thing..

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