French author, 50, says he's incapable of loving a woman of 50

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 16-01-2019 12:09am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Looks like a deflated bagpipe though. And whilst I don’t doubt he is fit, his on-stage japes have been cringeworthy for the best part of two decades. I watch through my hands. Physically fit =/= cool. I haven’t seen him perform live, it’s been recordings. Maybe some alchemy happens when seeing him in the flesh but I doubt that very much.

As I heard someone in a pub in Clare memorably put it when he found out about Jagger's wives and pregnancies: "Sure they must be only backing into him at this stage!"

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 16-01-2019 1:06pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Looks like a deflated bagpipe though. And whilst I don’t doubt he is fit, his on-stage japes have been cringeworthy for the best part of two decades. I watch through my hands. Physically fit =/= cool. I haven’t seen him perform live, it’s been recordings. Maybe some alchemy happens when seeing him in the flesh but I doubt that very much.

He is 75 years old -- older than Donald Trump and just a couple years younger than Michael D. Higgins -- and yet he's estimated to run around 10 miles during each of his energetic live performances. You won't find many 75-year-olds capable of that.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 16-01-2019 1:26pm

Darwin Rotten Drunk wrote: »

He is 75 years old -- older than Donald Trump and just a couple years younger than Michael D. Higgins -- and yet he's estimated to run around 10 miles during each of his energetic live performances. You won't find many 75-year-olds capable of that.

Like I said, I don’t dispute that he is fit. I literally say that in the post of mine that you quoted. Being fit in your 70s isn’t that amazing to me. My father runs a walking group and when I go out walking with them, there are 60-somethings and 70-somethings that I can’t keep up with. They are almost at jogging pace and their walks average about 8 kms, three or four nights a week. And that includes hill-walking, really tough climbs. Some seriously fit people. Just normal older people who are really fit. There is nothing extraordinary about their lives and they still have a high level of fitness. So forgive me for not being massively impressed by Mick Jagger’s lepping.

But dynamic on stage - no, just no. He looks ridiculous to me. So he can strut and run about and jump? Erm, great. It doesn’t translate as cool in any way to me though. He looks exactly like what he is - an oul lad trying to act decades younger.

Wibbs · 16-01-2019 1:43pm

While I never found his "dancing" and general stage performances within sniffing distance of being "cool", Jagger is an incredibly fit man and for his age about as an extreme an outlier as I can think of. If there are a thousand 75 year old men as fit as him on the planet I'd be surprised. IIRC his dad was a PE teacher mad into fitness and lived into his 90's so there's genetics and environment going on there. Add in Jagger being a world famous "living legend" rock star who gets a million quid per gig and he may as well be an alien compared to the vast majority of men out there.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 16-01-2019 2:03pm

Wibbs wrote: »

While I never found his "dancing" and general stage performances within sniffing distance of being "cool", Jagger is an incredibly fit man and for his age about as an extreme an outlier as I can think of. If there are a thousand 75 year old men as fit as him on the planet I'd be surprised. IIRC his dad was a PE teacher mad into fitness and lived into his 90's so there's genetics and environment going on there. Add in Jagger being a world famous "living legend" rock star who gets a million quid per gig and he may as well be an alien compared to the vast majority of men out there.

Once again, his fitness isn’t in dispute. At all.

A few years ago, I would have considered him an outlier, fitness-wise, but based on what I’ve seen 70-somethings do before my very eyes in the last few years, he isn’t. I can easily now imagine not only a 1000 70-somethings as fit as him worldwide, but many multiples of that. If the 70-something members of a rural Irish walking group can do 8 kms at almost jogging pace 3 or 4 times a week and recover well afterwards (and they do), I can easily imagine other 70-somethings ramping it up further. Hell, even my own granny who did NO exercise apart from the very occasional slow-paced stroll, would in her 70s grab my skipping rope for the craic and skip for a minute or two (something many unfit young ‘uns would struggle with). And this was a woman who, like I said, basically did no exercise. Every marathon will have a smattering of 70+ participants. So not only do they run 26.1 miles but they have to train beforehand.

So yes, Jagger is fit but I find the awe over his fitness to be overstated. Any 70+ person who does marathons is as fit as him if not more so. You really think there are fewer than 1000 70+ marathon runners in the world? And that’s only one type of strenuous pursuit.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 16-01-2019 2:07pm

I think he gets extra points for having lived on assorted narcotics and groupies for a couple of decades there.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 16-01-2019 5:11pm

Wibbs wrote: »

While I never found his "dancing" and general stage performances within sniffing distance of being "cool", Jagger is an incredibly fit man and for his age about as an extreme an outlier as I can think of. If there are a thousand 75 year old men as fit as him on the planet I'd be surprised. IIRC his dad was a PE teacher mad into fitness and lived into his 90's so there's genetics and environment going on there. Add in Jagger being a world famous "living legend" rock star who gets a million quid per gig and he may as well be an alien compared to the vast majority of men out there.

Hes pretty fit but his face is wrecked and has been for a while. A mixture of over fitness, old drug use and probably smoking.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 16-01-2019 5:15pm

There are better examples of aging to 70. Patrick Stewart - who didn’t age for about two decades and is in pretty good shape now.

And chuck Norris.

This is 6 years ago - he was 72.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/chuck-norris-criticizes-californias-lax-immigration-laws-after-officers-death_2753030.html

16-01-2019 5:20pm

Jagger is not an example of aging well. He's shrivelled and wizened looking, regardless of his apparent fitness. I've members of my own family who would leave him in the dust.

anewme · 16-01-2019 5:22pm

Candie wrote: »

Jagger is not an example of aging well. He's shrivelled and wizened looking, regardless of his apparent fitness. I've members of my own family who would leave him in the dust.

Me too, the description of him as a deflated bagpipe had me in stitches when I saw it.:D

Gimme A Pound · 16-01-2019 5:24pm

David Bowie looked beautiful in those photos shortly before he died, just turned 69. Emaciated (being a cancer patient) and probably had make-up done, but always a fabulous looking man well into his late years.

16-01-2019 5:27pm

Clementine Echoing Squalor wrote: »

David Bowie looked beautiful in those photos shortly before he died, just turned 69. Emaciated (being a cancer patient) and probably had make-up done, but always a fabulous looking man well into his late years.

I'm not remotely artistic, but that man had such fine and delicate bone structure that the planes of his face were nothing short of beautiful. Not necessarily sexy or handsome in a traditional sense, but beautiful in a rare way.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 16-01-2019 5:33pm

I'd say he's had work done too, no way those lips are defying gravity by themselves!

Mads Mikkelson is aging very well. Nearly painfully pretty as a young man, different kind of appeal now in his 50s but I'd say he'll still be hot af into his 70s.

Weird the way this thread ended up being for tearing men's appearances apart :pac: fcukit it's almost the weekend, let's crack out the wine and start ranking them, might as well really lean in to this.

Gimme A Pound · 16-01-2019 5:35pm

Candie wrote: »

I'm not remotely artistic, but that man had such fine and delicate bone structure that the planes of his face were nothing short of beautiful. Not necessarily sexy or handsome in a traditional sense, but beautiful in a rare way.

Exactly this imo. I always admired his face the way I'd admire that of a stunning woman. He had a female beauty (although I probably wouldn't have said no - I'm sure he'd be overjoyed :pac:).

ginandtonicsky · 16-01-2019 5:35pm

Candie wrote: »

Jagger is not an example of aging well. He's shrivelled and wizened looking, regardless of his apparent fitness. I've members of my own family who would leave him in the dust.

Was wondering when someone was going to say it! Jagger looks like a homeless junkie, wrinkled and emaciated to feck. Can't see how anyone could hail him as an example of someone ageing well!!!

16-01-2019 5:41pm

Mads Mikkelson is an excellent example of ageing well, and I think its because it's not just looks alone, but he also appears as though there's more depth to him, he has a thoughtful and intelligent look about him that makes him attractive on top of the general handsomeness.

DS86DS · 16-01-2019 5:44pm

Candie wrote: »

I'm not remotely artistic, but that man had such fine and delicate bone structure that the planes of his face were nothing short of beautiful. Not necessarily sexy or handsome in a traditional sense, but beautiful in a rare way.

Given how Bowie was, I don't think the feeling would be reciprocal.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 16-01-2019 5:47pm

Candie wrote: »

Mads Mikkelson is an excellent example of ageing well, and I think its because it's not just looks alone, but he also appears as though there's more depth to him, he has a thoughtful and intelligent look about him that makes him attractive on top of the general handsomeness.

His 18 year marriage is an age gap one though.

his wife is five years older

16-01-2019 5:49pm

Tommy Kind Parakeet wrote: »

His 18 year marriage is an age gap one though.
his wife is five years older

As I said, something deeper :P

That'll trigger the usual suspects!

Gimme A Pound · 16-01-2019 5:59pm

DS86DS wrote: »

Given how Bowie was, I don't think the feeling would be reciprocal.

Think this might mean that a 69-year-old man, whose wife was 8.5 years younger than him (and whom he married when she was nearly 37 and he was 45 and they remained together until he died) wouldn't fancy you, Candie, a woman in her early 30s I believe.

Then again, maybe that's not what the poster means - it's hard to know, when they communicate in insults so much.

DS86DS · 16-01-2019 6:03pm

Clementine Echoing Squalor wrote: »

Think this might mean that a 69-year-old man, whose wife was 8.5 years younger than him (and whom he married when she was nearly 37 and he was 45 and they remained together until he died) wouldn't fancy you, Candie, a woman in her early 30s I believe.

Then again, maybe that's not what the poster means - it's hard to know, when they communicate in insults so much.

You don't get it.

16-01-2019 6:07pm

Clementine Echoing Squalor wrote: »

Think this might mean that a 69-year-old man, whose wife was 8.5 years younger than him (and whom he married when she was nearly 37 and he was 45 and they remained together until he died) wouldn't fancy you, Candie, a woman in her early 30s I believe.

Then again, maybe that's not what the poster means - it's hard to know, when they communicate in insults so much.

Well it's hard to hear, GaP, but somehow I'll cope.

He is deceased though, which makes it easier to deal with the implied and hypothetical rejection. :P

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 16-01-2019 6:09pm

DS86DS wrote: »

You don't get it.

Do we have to just guess what you mean? Is Bowie's ghost haunting you and preventing your fingers from reaching the keys you need to come out and say what you mean? That's a pretty Bowie-ish haunting.

goat2 · 16-01-2019 6:13pm

glasso wrote: »

obviously most men prefer younger women but this guy got some serious reaction against him for stating his preference. what do you think?

justified? or just older women threatened that they are sexually irrelevant?

A popular French author and television presenter has caused outrage after claiming he was “incapable” of loving a woman aged over 50.

Yann Moix, 50, told a glossy magazine: “Come on now, let’s not exaggerate! That’s not possible … too, too old.”

In the interview with Marie-Claire magazine’s French edition, Moix, the author of several prize-winning novels, added that women in their 50s were “invisible” to him.

“I prefer younger women’s bodies, that’s all. End of. The body of a 25-year-old woman is extraordinary. The body of a woman of 50 is not extraordinary at all,” he said.

Moix has won several literary prizes including the prestigious Prix Goncourt for a first novel and the Prix François Mauriac from the Académie Française for his 1996 debut work Jubilations Vers le Ciel, has directed three films and is the host of a popular TV talkshow.

His comments caused outrage on social media.

The journalist and writer Colombe Schneck, aged 52, published a photo of a backside on her Instagram account. “Voila, the buttocks of a woman aged 52…what an imbecile you are, you don’t know what you’re missing, you and your tiny, paunchy brain.”

Feminist author Mona Chollet said Moix was a “sad sire”, while Laura Hulley, from the political section of the British Embassy in Paris, tweeted: “Happy new year, sexists everywhere!”

Former first lady Valerie Trierweiler tweeted here about Moix in the context of the fourth anniversary of the terrorist attack on satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo.

French MP Olivia Gregoire, a spokeswoman for Macron’s La République en Marche (LREM) party, tweeted: “Very classy Yann Moix. Very very classy. But like stupidity and vulgarity have no age, it’s reassuring in his case as I doubt many women want (these qualities).”

Do most men not like younger women,

DS86DS · 16-01-2019 6:22pm

Tommy Kind Parakeet wrote: »

Do we have to just guess what you mean? Is Bowie's ghost haunting you and preventing your fingers from reaching the keys you need to come out and say what you mean? That's a pretty Bowie-ish haunting.

He is and I always make sure that I'm lying on my back.

Gimme A Pound · 16-01-2019 6:23pm

DS86DS wrote: »

He is and I always make sure that I'm lying on my back.

Ah ok. Apologies.

Think he said himself that he was both into dudes and ladies.

Gimme A Pound · 16-01-2019 6:24pm

goat2 wrote: »

Do most men not like younger women,

Lots do anyway. Most probably fancy them.

anewme · 16-01-2019 6:34pm

Candie wrote: »

He is deceased though, which makes it easier to deal with the implied and hypothetical rejection. :P

This thread is a Gift that keeps on giving.

There's some real Mensa candidates in here.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 16-01-2019 6:42pm

I think Bruce Springsteen and Christoph Waltz are both good examples of good-looking older men. I love Christoph Waltz. He is gorgeous.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 16-01-2019 6:42pm

Candie wrote: »

Jagger is not an example of aging well. He's shrivelled and wizened looking, regardless of his apparent fitness. I've members of my own family who would leave him in the dust.

I totally agree, I think he looks awful. And like many aging celebrities, both male and female, the clear effort to look younger only make things worse. If these celebs just accepted the aging process, they’d be better off.

But Jagger is often trotted as an example of aging well which never fails to bemuse me. It mostly seems to be down to his lepping around various stages because it can’t be about how he looks, right? RIGHT?

Nadal Topspin · 16-01-2019 6:50pm

Men generally peak about 10 to 15 years after women typically peak in my opinion.

Gimme A Pound · 16-01-2019 6:55pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I think Bruce Springsteen and Christoph Waltz are both good examples of good-looking older men. I love Christoph Waltz. He is gorgeous.

Bruce Springsteen looks amazing.

I don't think Waltz is gorgeous myself (although he still looks great) but his talent and charisma and proficiency with languages are seriously attractive traits I think.

Nadal Topspin · 16-01-2019 6:59pm

Rod Stewart doesn't look too bad for a man in his 70's.

Sardonicat · 16-01-2019 7:24pm

Nadal Topspin wrote: »

Rod Stewart doesn't look too bad for a man in his 70's.

Rod looks like a walnut in a wig!
Now Bryan Ferry ...

mvl · 16-01-2019 7:35pm

Nadal Topspin wrote: »

Men generally peak about 10 to 15 years after women typically peak in my opinion.

And I think it can also depend on the genes - what is applicable to irish may not be applicable to ... eastern european for example

joe40 · 16-01-2019 7:40pm

Nadal Topspin wrote: »

Men generally peak about 10 to 15 years after women typically peak in my opinion.

For me its usually about 20 mins before!!

DS86DS · 16-01-2019 7:52pm

Lol at women putting down George Clooney.

"I can't have him so he's not really that great"

Such childishness. Men on average can't get female celebrities like Kim Kardashian, but we are adult about it and still say she's hot anyway.

joe40 · 16-01-2019 7:57pm

DS86DS wrote: »

Lol at women putting down George Clooney.

"I can't have him so he's not really that great"

Such childishness. Men on average can't get female celebrities like Kim Kardashian, but we are adult about it and still say she's hot anyway.

There has literally been pages of posters (women I assume) giving examples of good looking older men. I was getting a wee inferiority complex.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 16-01-2019 7:57pm

DS86DS wrote: »

Lol at women putting down George Clooney.

"I can't have him so he's not really that great"

Such childishness. Men on average can't get female celebrities like Kim Kardashian, but we are adult about it and still say she's hot anyway.

People are merely pointing out that he was better-looking in his 30s than he is now. Which is true.

In ten years time, do you think men will say Kim is as good-looking as she is now? And if they note that she isn’t, does that mean that they are just saying that because they can’t have her?

I’m sure you’ve noted a female celebrity at some point or other who you don’t think is as good-looking as she was. Again, does this mean you think that because you can’t have her? Or are you thinking it because it’s true?

ceadaoin. · 16-01-2019 8:06pm

DS86DS wrote: »

Lol at women putting down George Clooney.

"I can't have him so he's not really that great"

Such childishness. Men on average can't get female celebrities like Kim Kardashian, but we are adult about it and still say she's hot anyway.

Someone pointed out that he's not as good looking when he was younger, which it true. The exact same thing that's been said about various female celebrities in this thread..of course you would have to twist it to mock women ffs.

Arghus · 16-01-2019 8:08pm

Your statements of fact and logic are just going to bounce off and literally zero effect.

greencap · 16-01-2019 8:10pm

Tommy Kind Parakeet wrote: »

I'd say he's had work done too, no way those lips are defying gravity by themselves!

Mads Mikkelson is aging very well. Nearly painfully pretty as a young man, different kind of appeal now in his 50s but I'd say he'll still be hot af into his 70s.

Weird the way this thread ended up being for tearing men's appearances apart :pac: fcukit it's almost the weekend, let's crack out the wine and start ranking them, might as well really lean in to this.

and there it is.

women don't have a ''different kind of appeal''.

Gimme A Pound · 16-01-2019 8:21pm

DS86DS wrote: »

Men on average can't get female celebrities like Kim Kardashian, but we are adult about it and still say she's hot anyway.

Poor effort seeing as it contradicts what you've been saying for pages.

DS86DS · 16-01-2019 8:32pm

I am worried that this thread is resulting in a lot of ignored and hungry cats.

Omelette10 · 16-01-2019 8:48pm

greencap wrote: »

and there it is.

women don't have a ''different kind of appeal''.

"There's something about him", even ugly men can have that appeal. So many women find Gordon Ramsay sexy, look at the state if his face, but he's got a sexy personality that arouses a lot of women.

Generally speaking women are attracted to confidence, dominance, charisma, status and social skills. Looks of course matter too, but the former traits have a more powerful affect on women in my opinion.

Sardonicat · 16-01-2019 8:51pm

Omelette10 wrote: »

greencap wrote: »

and there it is.

women don't have a ''different kind of appeal''.

"There's something about him", even ugly men can have that appeal. So many women find Gordon Ramsay sexy, look at the state if his face, but he's got a sexy personality that arouses a lot of women.

Generally speaking women are attracted to confidence, dominance, charisma, status and social skills. Looks of course matter too, but the former traits have a more powerful affect on women in my opinion.

Oh god no! Personality and features

Omelette10 · 16-01-2019 8:53pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Out of the frying pan and insta ban.

Stop flirting with me

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 16-01-2019 8:55pm

greencap wrote: »

and there it is.

women don't have a ''different kind of appeal''.

Strongly disagree, as someone who's also attracted to women.

And is that the point du jour you've decided is the crux of your argument? I can't keep track love.

Omelette10 · 16-01-2019 8:58pm

Tommy Kind Parakeet wrote: »

Strongly disagree, as someone who's also attracted to women.

And is that the point du jour you've decided is the crux of your argument? I can't keep track love.

Men's attraction mechanism works differently to women's, while personality can indeed make a woman more attractive, it is much more limited in it's scope compared to the power of a man's personality.

Look at Conor McGregor for example, he would have no problem attracting beautiful women even if he had no money or fame. He's got the personality that attracts.

Sardonicat · 16-01-2019 8:59pm

Omelette10 wrote: »

Tommy Kind Parakeet wrote: »

Strongly disagree, as someone who's also attracted to women.

And is that the point du jour you've decided is the crux of your argument? I can't keep track love.

Meen's attraction mechanism works differently to women's, while personality can indeed make a woman more attractive, it is much more limited in it's scope compared to the power of a man's personality.

Who's meen?

French author, 50, says he's incapable of loving a woman of 50

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