Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

mattser

evolving_doors wrote: »

The problem is nurses here don't live in other countries. We kind of need them here in Irish hospitals.
What's your own job anyway?

Cop on. You're only feeding this person.

Dia1988

Grinchbot wrote: »

Mod-If you get threatening pms there is nothing the mods can do. You need to report it (little triangle in top left corner of pm) so the admins can deal with it.

I've been receiving threatening and abusive PMs from certain users on here. They've even attacked my family.

Tell me how

Dia1988 wrote: »

I've been receiving threatening and abusive PMs from certain users on here. They've even attacked my family.

Have you reported them?

hawkelady

Anyway , back to the inmo and pna threatened strike action. I know it’s a journal poll !! But anyway , I see 76% of the votes actually support the nurses .. that’s a big %

Tell me how

hawkelady wrote: »

Anyway , back to the inmo and pna threatened strike action. I know it’s a journal poll !! But anyway , I see 76% of the votes actually support the nurses .. that’s a big %

Over 50% on Boards were going to vote for Peter Casey apparently.

Dia1988

hawkelady wrote: »

Anyway , back to the inmo and pna threatened strike action. I know it’s a journal poll !! But anyway , I see 76% of the votes actually support the nurses .. that’s a big %

80% of those that voted were nurses on their shifty.

Wheeliebin30

hawkelady wrote: »

Anyway , back to the inmo and pna threatened strike action. I know it’s a journal poll !! But anyway , I see 76% of the votes actually support the nurses .. that’s a big %

The journal is full of anti government everything and free things for everyone.

hawkelady

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

The journal is full of anti government everything and free things for everyone.

Fair enough , I wasn’t aware of their narrative ! Has there be a Red Sea poll or anything

Dia1988

evolving_doors wrote: »

The problem is nurses here don't live in other countries. We kind of need them here in Irish hospitals.
What's your own job anyway?

Nurses here get paid more than those in London , last time I checked London was more expensive to live in than Roscommon.

road_high

hawkelady wrote: »

Anyway , back to the inmo and pna threatened strike action. I know it’s a journal poll !! But anyway , I see 76% of the votes actually support the nurses .. that’s a big %

A Journal.ie poll- the most militant, left wing removed from reality readers you could find. They’re predicting daily the collapse of the govt to replaced by a SF PBP coalition.
I’m actually surprised it’s only 76%, rest must be the other % who hate all workers and would prefer the money spent on welfare

Wheres Me Jumper?

i think as with many other public servants, nurses are in danger of overestimating the level of support among the general population.

mikemac2

Why should they care though?

Everyone was against the Luas drivers and they won

Public support is not needed to get what you want

road_high

mikemac2 wrote: »

Why should they care though?

Everyone was against the Luas drivers and they won

Public support is not needed to get what you want

Lol. Where do you think the funding will be found?
It’s breath taking the lack of interest they have in improving services for the public- as we all know and is evident wage increases won’t do that. It’s about more money for nurses- nothing else

storker

noodler wrote: »

Why?

Why one third of the PS and not the rest?

Nurses have gotten multiple pay increases per year (including increments) since 2016 just like the rest of the PS. Getting more this year too.

Because different jobs pay different salaries.

Dia1988

Dia1988 wrote: »

Nurses here get paid more than those in London , last time I checked London was more expensive to live in than Roscommon.

Yes

evolving_doors

Dia1988 wrote: »

Nurses here get paid more than those in London , last time I checked London was more expensive to live in than Roscommon.

Give us some payscales, tax and cost of living details. Nice of you to pick the cheapest county in Ireland and compare it to London LOL... jeez if you worked for the HSE you could propose moving all nurses to Roscommon. Pure genius.

Either way... you'd still want enough nurses in Ireland ya?
What if they are leaving for countries other than Ireland (Not london).
Because they are.
And there is a shortage.

Is it because their wages in Ireland are too high by your reckoning?

Dia1988

evolving_doors wrote: »

Give us some payscales, tax and cost of living details. Nice of you to pick the cheapest county in Ireland and compare it to London LOL... jeez if you worked for the HSE you could propose moving all nurses to Roscommon. Pure genius.

Either way... you'd still want enough nurses in Ireland ya?
What if they are leaving for countries other than Ireland (Not london).
Because they are.
And there is a shortage.

Is it because their wages in Ireland are too high by your reckoning?

Oh dear love, London is not a country!

London is more expensive than Dublin.

Perhaps nurses working and living in Dublin should get an allowance for living in an expensive city. That's what happens in the UK.

We should cut the numbers of nurses being trained in Ireland and focus on recruiting Asian nurses who'll appreciate the pay and will work better than the Irish without the moaning.

Play their bluff I say!

Twenty Grand

Dia1988 wrote: »

Oh dear love, London is not a country!

London is more expensive than Dublin.

Perhaps nurses working and living in Dublin should get an allowance for living in an expensive city. That's what happens in the UK.

We should cut the numbers of nurses being trained in Ireland and focus on recruiting Asian nurses who'll appreciate the pay and will work better than the Irish without the moaning.

Play their bluff I say!

What an idiotic post from start to end.

hawkelady

Twenty Grand wrote: »

What an idiotic post from start to end.

Idiotic post from an idiot .SHOCKER!

Wheeliebin30

Dia1988 wrote: »

Oh dear love, London is not a country!

London is more expensive than Dublin.

Perhaps nurses working and living in Dublin should get an allowance for living in an expensive city. That's what happens in the UK.

We should cut the numbers of nurses being trained in Ireland and focus on recruiting Asian nurses who'll appreciate the pay and will work better than the Irish without the moaning.

Play their bluff I say!

I agree,

We have one of the highest nurse to head population in the EU.

How come we’re not allowed ask why is the service so inefficient?

Twenty Grand

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How come we’re not allowed ask why is the service so inefficient?

You're definitely allowed to ask, the answer is far more to do with managerial practices, the changing whims of successive governments, the non-standardised way in how hospitals are ran, the ballooning costs of healthcare provision in general, use of medical cards, our ageing population, bedblockers, the lack of external convalescence facilities, and the ever increasing burden our society is placing on the health service through our own abuse of alcohol, food and drugs.

If a shop is badly run, you blame the manager, not the people on the checkout. I don't see why people blame nurses for an inefficient health service.

mikhail

Twenty Grand wrote: »

If a shop is badly run, you blame the manager, not the people on the checkout. I don't see why people blame nurses for an inefficient health service.

All the nurses seem to do is bitch about how hard they have it, and yet any time someone introduces a number to quantify that (a) they don't have it that bad and (b) that person gets shouted down for unspecified badness. **** the nurses. If they think the management practices are so bad and making things so awful for them, they can threaten to strike for reform of that.

Twenty Grand

mikhail wrote: »

All the nurses seem to do is bitch about how hard they have it, and yet any time someone introduces a number to quantify that (a) they don't have it that bad and (b) that person gets shouted down for unspecified badness. **** the nurses. If they think the management practices are so bad and making things so awful for them, they can threaten to strike for reform of that.

That's literally what they're doing right now.

There's less nurses employed now that there were 10 years ago. Hospitals are chronically understaffed.

The INMO says the main reasons nurses are leaving the country and profession is the terrible conditions and low pay.

So they're going on strike to get a better basic level of pay, not more allowances because allowances aren't available to a majority of nurses.
There's a Europe wide shortage of nurses, so Ireland needs to be competitive to entice well trained nurses and medics.

So that's the situation in a nutshell. We need nurses more than ever, but we have less than we had 10 years ago. The health services need to entice people to enter the profession, retain nurses in the profession and entice nurses from outside Ireland. This just isn't happening right now.

Britain is in serious trouble if Brexit stops the flow of nurses immigrating into the country. They already have over 40 thousand vacancies and can't fill them.

Dia1988

mikhail wrote: »

All the nurses seem to do is bitch about how hard they have it, and yet any time someone introduces a number to quantify that (a) they don't have it that bad and (b) that person gets shouted down for unspecified badness. **** the nurses. If they think the management practices are so bad and making things so awful for them, they can threaten to strike for reform of that.

Thank God someone else on here that speaks it how it is.

I've been ganged up on by the users on here who have a self interest (they're nurses themselves) whenever I point out the reality.

Let's be clear here, the nurses are paid enough here, yet they are striking for even more pay not reform of the system. That is where they lose my vote!

If they get their ludicrous pay demand, they'll return to the picket lines in 6 months 12 months time wanting more pay demands when the health service becomes more inefficient. That's not solving anything.

Twenty Grand

Dia1988 wrote: »

Thank God someone else on here that speaks it how it is.

I've been ganged up on by the users on here who have a self interest (they're nurses themselves) whenever I point out the reality.

Let's be clear here, the nurses are paid enough here, yet they are striking for even more pay not reform of the system. That is where they lose my vote!

If they get their ludicrous pay demand, they'll return to the picket lines in 6 months 12 months time wanting more pay demands when the health service becomes more inefficient. That's not solving anything.

And what's your interest? You're talking about a "reality" but you're even involved in the health service. What would you know about it?
You've been on here at all times of the day with bitter, hateful posts about nurses.

You say nurses are paid enough, well why are there so many vacancies?
Nurses are in fact striking for reform.
Nurses and doctors rarely strike, and when they do, it's only partial strikes to maintain a certain level or care in the hospital.

Your posts are the most trolling, uniformed, ignorant, spiteful ones on this thread.

Wheeliebin30

Twenty Grand wrote: »

You're definitely allowed to ask, the answer is far more to do with managerial practices, the changing whims of successive governments, the non-standardised way in how hospitals are ran, the ballooning costs of healthcare provision in general, use of medical cards, our ageing population, bedblockers, the lack of external convalescence facilities, and the ever increasing burden our society is placing on the health service through our own abuse of alcohol, food and drugs.

If a shop is badly run, you blame the manager, not the people on the checkout. I don't see why people blame nurses for an inefficient health service.

So everyone else’s fault?

Just like everyone and everything in this country.

No one takes any responsibility.

Twenty Grand

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

So everyone else’s fault?

Just like everyone and everything in this country.

No one takes any responsibility.

So our crippled health service is only nurses fault?
The responsibility is solely at the hands of the HSE and government.
Do you think a nurse has any say in the running of a hospital?
Or the procedure and paperwork?

hawkelady

Dia1988 wrote: »

Thank God someone else on here that speaks it how it is.

I've been ganged up on by the users on here who have a self interest (they're nurses themselves) whenever I point out the reality.

Let's be clear here, the nurses are paid enough here, yet they are striking for even more pay not reform of the system. That is where they lose my vote!

If they get their ludicrous pay demand, they'll return to the picket lines in 6 months 12 months time wanting more pay demands when the health service becomes more inefficient. That's not solving anything.

Haha. Thank god you don’t have a “ vote” so !! Google is your friend to read up on how the threat of strikes work

Martina1991

Dia1988 wrote:

I've been ganged up on by the users on here who have a self interest (they're nurses themselves) whenever I point out the reality.

I cant recall anyone in this thread saying they're a nurse.

You're playing the victim now when you've been winding people up with your ignorant remarks.

gctest50

Martina1991 wrote: »

I cant recall anyone in this thread saying they're a nurse.

.

Two or more pasted up their pay-slips ?

muffinman1982

I think a lot of people don’t really get that when nurses strike in this country it’s never an all out strike. Cover is provided by nurses without pay. This means that essential areas still run. If they went on an all out strike they would probably be more effective, however I think you’ll find from a moral perspective this is not a tactic they employ.

I think if you have to put a price on caring for the sick and dying, being exposed to violence, contagious infections and severe staff shortages they deserve more. I see a lot of hostility towards nurses and the public sector in general. I try to keep in mind that ultimately we are all going to end up in a room being cared for by these people. Plus nurses have a responsibility to continue their professional development through life long learning. A lot of nurses nowadays have masters and some even Doctorates.

Wheres Me Jumper?

nurses are more than adequately paid imo.
the system is a mess, so delivery of care is at times totally inefficient.

pouring more taxpayers money into a leaky bucket is not going to solve that, indeed if anything it will exacerbate the inefficiencies.

Galwayguy35

TBH I think they should be paid the same as what the Brits pay their nurses but the pay isn't too bad either when overtime is factored in.

Not sure how the Government will solve this one because if they give way then the rest of the PS will want to scrap the agreement they signed up to as well and get the same deal.

4ensic15

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

TBH I think they should be paid the same as what the Brits pay their nurses but the pay isn't too bad either when overtime is factored in.

Not sure how the Government will solve this one because if they give way then the rest of the PS will want to scrap the agreement they signed up to as well and get the same deal.

Why should we be copying the Brits. We left the empire in 1922 and one of our rights is to decide the pay levels of our own Ps staff.

hawkelady

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

TBH I think they should be paid the same as what the Brits pay their nurses but the pay isn't too bad either when overtime is factored in.

Not sure how the Government will solve this one because if they give way then the rest of the PS will want to scrap the agreement they signed up to as well and get the same deal.[/

Overtime shouldn’t be factored into it tbf .. overtime isn’t compulsory and shouldn’t base you final figure on it

Galwayguy35

hawkelady wrote: »

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

TBH I think they should be paid the same as what the Brits pay their nurses but the pay isn't too bad either when overtime is factored in.

Not sure how the Government will solve this one because if they give way then the rest of the PS will want to scrap the agreement they signed up to as well and get the same deal.[/

Overtime shouldn’t be factored into it tbf .. overtime isn’t compulsory and shouldn’t base you final figure on it

Of course it should be factored in, they get paid overtime for working weekends and bank hols etc.

Galwayguy35

4ensic15 wrote: »

Why should we be copying the Brits. We left the empire in 1922 and one of our rights is to decide the pay levels of our own Ps staff.

WTF are you bladdering on about 1922 and leaving an empire.

People have been saying the pay is better across the pond and that's why it's difficult to fill positions so if the money is they same there is an incentive to stay here.

Martina1991

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

hawkelady wrote: »

Of course it should be factored in, they get paid overtime for working weekends and bank hols etc.

Overtime isn't fixed. You couldn't depend on your income then if you suddenly couldn't work overtime due to illness, looking after children, getting older etc.

4ensic15

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

WTF are you bladdering on about 1922 and leaving an empire.

People have been saying the pay is better across the pond and that's why it's difficult to fill positions so if the money is they same there is an incentive to stay here.

the pay across the water is rubbish as well. Most people who leave here go much further than across the water. You should adjust to 100 years of independence.

Twenty Grand

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

TBH I think they should be paid the same as what the Brits pay their nurses but the pay isn't too bad either when overtime is factored in.

Not sure how the Government will solve this one because if they give way then the rest of the PS will want to scrap the agreement they signed up to as well and get the same deal.

Both us and the Brits have a problem in that we cannot hire enough nurses. That's one of the main problems in the health service.

How will paying them the same as the Brits solve this problem?

JupiterKid

I had a pretty serious illness a few years back that I recovered from (thankfully) and I was treated so well by the nursing team. I saw at first hand at how hard they work.

They deserve a negotiated, incremental pay rise. How the average nurse can afford to live independently in Dublin given obscene rents and housing costs, I just don't know.

Tell me how

JupiterKid wrote: »

I had a pretty serious illness a few years back that I recovered from (thankfully) and I was treated so well by the nursing team. I saw at first hand at how hard they work.

They deserve a negotiated, incremental pay rise. How the average nurse can afford to live independently in Dublin given obscene rents and housing costs, I just don't know.

They already have negotiated pay rises coming to them. 1.75% in February and 2% (I think) before September 2020.

That'll put the average to 60k (I know, I know, average). There are many people in Dublin on less. I'd rather see a correction of the imbalance within the nursing group so that more on the wards earn more than they do currently but that would mean a reduction of the numbers of nurses in management roles.

evolving_doors

Tell me how wrote: »

They already have negotiated pay rises coming to them. 1.75% in February and 2% (I think) before September 2020.

That'll put the average to 60k (I know, I know, average). There are many people in Dublin on less. I'd rather see a correction of the imbalance within the nursing group so that more on the wards earn more than they do currently but that would mean a reduction of the numbers of nurses in management roles.

They want new nurses.... not a hope in hell a newly qualified nurse would spit near 60k.

Shefwedfan

A lot of rubbish posted on here and I only looked at one page. Some people clearly don’t have an idea what they are talking about but instead of stopping just double down

First this 55k and now I see 60k is been fired around? Who cameup withthis because it’s bulls**t. All nurses wages are available on the web. So start googling and come back, so maybe get that stupid number out of your head

The government has done a good hack job on nurses as usual, but have a look here:
http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-nurse-goes-viral-after-sharing-pay-slip-online-20190112

Like anything the government want to focus on the nurse, turn them into evil people. The problem is true HSE, the mismanagement is chronic. It is run by government official friends. Need a job stick them into hse. A simple procurement is never given to the best person, instead it is given to John because he bought pints for someone. John is ****ing useless so it goes millions over budget. Just look st the children hospital. Best site in Ireland out in Blanchardstown, would cost nearly half to build but they stick into the wrong site and waste millions before a brick is even laid, incompetent f**ks

People on here really need to wake up, why focus on a nurse? Focus on the dope at top earning 200k but can’t even negotiate a drugs deals with companies who manufacture the drugs here, we pay one of the highest prices in the world for drugs made in Ireland

Anyone think a single point I made is incorrect?

The government are a waste of space, I had high hope for Varadkar but he is useless, more concerned about PR than doing anything. What has he actually changed since he went into office?

Recently he announced 100m would be sentoversea to other country so they can build a health system? Why not keep that money here for 1 year and fix the hse?

Blame the government, not the nurses

Shefwedfan

A lot of rubbish posted on here and I only looked at one page. Some people clearly don’t have an idea what they are talking about but instead of stopping just double down

First this 55k and now I see 60k is been fired around? Who cameup withthis because it’s bulls**t. All nurses wages are available on the web. So start googling and come back, so maybe get that stupid number out of your head

The government has done a good hack job on nurses as usual, but have a look here:
http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-nurse-goes-viral-after-sharing-pay-slip-online-20190112

Like anything the government want to focus on the nurse, turn them into evil people. The problem is true HSE, the mismanagement is chronic. It is run by government official friends. Need a job stick them into hse. A simple procurement is never given to the best person, instead it is given to John because he bought pints for someone. John is ****ing useless so it goes millions over budget. Just look st the children hospital. Best site in Ireland out in Blanchardstown, would cost nearly half to build but they stick into the wrong site and waste millions before a brick is even laid, incompetent f**ks

People on here really need to wake up, why focus on a nurse? Focus on the dope at top earning 200k but can’t even negotiate a drugs deals with companies who manufacture the drugs here, we pay one of the highest prices in the world for drugs made in Ireland

Anyone think a single point I made is incorrect?

The government are a waste of space, I had high hope for Varadkar but he is useless, more concerned about PR than doing anything. What has he actually changed since he went into office?

Recently he announced 100m would be sentoversea to other country so they can build a health system? Why not keep that money here for 1 year and fix the hse?

Blame the government, not the nurses

Tell me how

evolving_doors wrote: »

They want new nurses.... not a hope in hell a newly qualified nurse would spit near 60k.

Average average average.

I know. And as I said, I think nurses on ward should get more sooner. But they're not striking for that or more nurses to be hired.
They're striking for a 12% pay rise which will apply to all nurses (thus increasing average) and will have to be paid every year, not just a one off cost.

Tell me how

Shefwedfan wrote: »

A lot of rubbish posted on here and I only looked at one page. Some people clearly don’t have an idea what they are talking about but instead of stopping just double down

First this 55k and now I see 60k is been fired around? Who cameup withthis because it’s bulls**t. All nurses wages are available on the web. So start googling and come back, so maybe get that stupid number out of your head

The government has done a good hack job on nurses as usual, but have a look here:
http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-nurse-goes-viral-after-sharing-pay-slip-online-20190112

Like anything the government want to focus on the nurse, turn them into evil people. The problem is true HSE, the mismanagement is chronic. It is run by government official friends. Need a job stick them into hse. A simple procurement is never given to the best person, instead it is given to John because he bought pints for someone. John is ****ing useless so it goes millions over budget. Just look st the children hospital. Best site in Ireland out in Blanchardstown, would cost nearly half to build but they stick into the wrong site and waste millions before a brick is even laid, incompetent f**ks

People on here really need to wake up, why focus on a nurse? Focus on the dope at top earning 200k but can’t even negotiate a drugs deals with companies who manufacture the drugs here, we pay one of the highest prices in the world for drugs made in Ireland

Anyone think a single point I made is incorrect?

The government are a waste of space, I had high hope for Varadkar but he is useless, more concerned about PR than doing anything. What has he actually changed since he went into office?

Recently he announced 100m would be sentoversea to other country so they can build a health system? Why not keep that money here for 1 year and fix the hse?

Blame the government, not the nurses

I have regularly mentioned the average.

It was mentioned regularly on radio during the week. The secretary of the INMO, Phil No Sheadagh was on with Ivan Yates and did not challenge him, or correct him when he said it.
Therefore, I am inclined to believe it is true.

I think it is skewed by the numbers in nursing managerial roles, but, if there are enough of these to skew the average this way, then we have too many of them. Will nurses agree to reform of position to help address this? I sincerely doubt it.

It is very convenient to say "Blame the government" when everyone is inclined to do so anyway.
We will see the same when teachers, Gardai, emergency services, council staff follow the nurses as they will have stepped outside the public sector pay deal.

Nurses do a very important difficult job and deserve to be paid sensibly but within a properly structured system.

Shefwedfan

Tell me how wrote: »

I have regularly mentioned the average.

It was mentioned regularly on radio during the week. The secretary of the INMO, Phil No Sheadagh was on with Ivan Yates and did not challenge him, or correct him when he said it.
Therefore, I am inclined to believe it is true.

I think it is skewed by the numbers in nursing managerial roles, but, if there are enough of these to skew the average this way, then we have too many of them. Will nurses agree to reform of position to help address this? I sincerely doubt it.

It is very convenient to say "Blame the government" when everyone is inclined to do so anyway.
We will see the same when teachers, Gardai, emergency services, council staff follow the nurses as they will have stepped outside the public sector pay deal.

Nurses do a very important difficult job and deserve to be paid sensibly but within a properly structured system.

Any decent person is not going to discuss wages on a radio station, especially such a loaded question, you can be sure they found some case in some hospital that someone earns more and it will be fired out as proof, especially with a clown like Yates...as soon as INMO says it not he would go off on a rant

But who released this average in first place? As I said all nurse wages are published online

Let’s take the train drivers. They max out at 57k it was posted here. I won’t comment on education requirements....or who get these train jobs

A nurse with two degrees, nearly 8-10 years in college and the max is 47k

Now please explain how that makes any sense?

backspin.

Do nurses think other public servants won't be looking for a 12 percent rise of they get it.

Shefwedfan

backspin. wrote: »

Do nurses think other public servants won't be looking for a 12 percent rise of they get it.

Since the nurses signed most of the other department have broken rank and got a pay rise....

I couldn’t read the full thread but anyone discuss the amount the government gave themselves as a pay rise?