Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

daithi7

hawkelady wrote: »

.... it’s a wait and see but any nurse with a pre 2003 contract would be mad to agree to something that might affect her pension without knowing every detail.

Are there no male nurses!?

tretorn

Very few, its almost totally female.

hawkelady

daithi7 wrote: »

Are there no male nurses!?

Ah , there are plenty of lads , of course ... my apologies , I should have known that you wouldn’t have understood my comment unless I had inserted her/him into the sentence !!
You don’t get to talk with many females , do you ?

I see that the Garda are back chomping at the bit for more, just a few years after their last pay grab.

Giving into the guards and now the nurses will be seen as this Government's biggest mistake. They have given a blank cheque over to the public sector unions.

Wheeliebin30

salonfire wrote: »

I see that the Garda are back chomping at the bit for more, just a few years after their last pay grab.

Giving into the guards and now the nurses will be seen as this Government's biggest mistake. They have given a blank cheque over to the public sector unions.

What choice did they really have.

While public and media against them.

Now criticing them.

Honestly can’t win.

For Forks Sake

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Considering the health spend is 15.3 billion of taxpayers money per year we should have the best health service in the world for a country of less than 5 million people.

This is something that everyone employed in the health service from the top down needs to answer before anyone should be talking about pay rises.

Worse, it's €16.05bn this year. I'm sure it'll be spent wisely :rolleyes:

daithi7

hawkelady wrote: »

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You don’t get to talk with many females , do you ?

Excuse me!!
I get to talk to loads thank you but few as rude as you are thankfully, and I insist on talking with the mannerly ones only!

Look apologising graciously when you're called out on something is not something that everyone is capable of, unfortunately . I'm sorry for you...

P.s. Now kindly fup off!!

hawkelady

salonfire wrote: »

I see that the Garda are back chomping at the bit for more, just a few years after their last pay grab.

Giving into the guards and now the nurses will be seen as this Government's biggest mistake. They have given a blank cheque over to the public sector unions.

Agree about the guards , but if the government say that the terms and conditions of the current pay deal weren’t broken , there’s not much the guards can do.

iamwhoiam

tretorn wrote: »

Very few, its almost totally female.

8-10% apparently are male nurses

Wheeliebin30

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

What choice did they really have.

While public and media against them.

Now criticing them.

Honestly can’t win.

The public are stupid, see Brexit and Trump. This is our colour of it.

I bet not many people know that almost the entire receipts of Income Tax is used to pay the salaries and pensions of the public sector. Complete madness.

facehugger99

Is it possible for Sh1tehawk Lady to write a post without personal insults, does anyone know?

Twenty Grand

facehugger99 wrote: »

Is it possible for Sh1tehawk Lady to write a post without personal insults, does anyone know?

You're doing yourself no favours either.

hawkelady

Lol. I see the Fine Gael yes men are back ... you weren’t missed btw

Miike

Deleted User wrote: »

Nurse contract is 37.5 hours. Intern contract is 39 hours. Under the new pay deal (if agreed) nurses will earn more than doctors per hour.

After receiving a copy of the agreement this afternoon, I can confirm this is categorically untrue

hawkelady

Anyway, back on topic. Finally !

https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2019/0213/1029353-inmo-nurses/

Miike

hawkelady wrote: »

Anyway, back on topic. Finally !

https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2019/0213/1029353-inmo-nurses/

I really can't see this making it through a ballot in either the INMO or PNA. There are some massive gaps in the agreement - I think it's best to now to add a tail to this for another 9.5 months and wait for the PSSA to end it's term, and then, make a challenge.

hawkelady

Miike wrote: »

I really can't see this making it through a ballot in either the INMO or PNA. There are some massive gaps in the agreement - I think it's best to now to add a tail to this for another 9.5 months and wait for the PSSA to end it's term, and then, make a challenge.

Totally agree with you. I can see this thread coming back to life after the votes are counted ..

Miike

hawkelady wrote: »

Totally agree with you. I can see this thread coming back to life after the votes are counted ..

The reality of this thread is even if the nurses said in morning "you know what... forget the lot! we're happy how we are" some of the people in here would still be frothing from the mouth. If anything the last 200+ pages of this thread have highlighted how little some people understand any aspect of this problem and aren't open to logical debate whatsoever. They'll sit rocking in the corner of their bedrooms chanting "OECD OECD OECD OECD" until they mouth is chapped and bleeding. Despite the chanting, their understanding of the figures and their purpose is genuinely close to zero. I find that depressing - There is so many people who posted here who have a very thorough understanding and contrasting views on the topic but they jumped ship early when this thread took a nose dive à la After Hours, eh?

Alrigghtythen

We were told urgent cancer surgeries would not be cancelled. That was a lie. I'm sick with upset."

David was due to have urgent cancer surgery this morning at St Vincent's University Hospital in Dublin.

Yesterday, he was told it was cancelled. It is the third time this surgery has been cancelled since January.


https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0204/1027540-patient-nurses-strike/

facehugger99

The nurses would throw cancer patients under a bus to get a few grubby quid extra, that'll be pissed away in Coppers on a couple of Malibu's.

One would really have to wonder if it was all worth it.

Miike

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

We were told urgent cancer surgeries would not be cancelled. That was a lie. I'm sick with upset."

David was due to have urgent cancer surgery this morning at St Vincent's University Hospital in Dublin.

Yesterday, he was told it was cancelled. It is the third time this surgery has been cancelled since January.


https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0204/1027540-patient-nurses-strike/

His surgery was cancellations were not due to strike action though?

feckthisgenie

facehugger99 wrote: »

The nurses would throw cancer patients under a bus to get a few grubby quid extra, that'll be pissed away in Coppers on a couple of Malibu's.

One would really have to wonder if it was all worth it.

I really think that the private sector should be made pay more tax to allow across the board pay increase for the public sector. The wages of these big shots are mental

feckthisgenie

https://www.inmo.ie/LC_Recommendation_Explained

feckthisgenie

feckthisgenie wrote: »

I really think that the private sector should be made pay more tax to allow across the board pay increase for the public sector. The wages of these big shots are mental

That's it though. Where does it stop?

Yes, we could be collecting more taxes but what guarantees are there that the public sector won't just keep asking for more and more?

Public sector unions are a cancer in this country for years, during good times and the bad like the 50s,70s and 80s

facehugger99

There will eventually be a private sector revolution - make no mistake.

Any public sector worker in their 20's or 30's who think their pensions will be funded out of current expenditure when they retire is dreaming.

Imagine asking (a much smaller) working population in 40 years time to pay income tax rates of 80% to keep them in the style they were promised.

It's all a con, a big ponzi scheme, - and we know what happens to ponzi schemes eventually.

endacl

facehugger99 wrote: »

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Any public sector worker in their 20's or 30's who think their pensions will be funded out of current expenditure when they retire is dreaming.

Not a problem. I’m in me 40s!

feckthisgenie

facehugger99 wrote: »

There will eventually be a private sector revolution - make no mistake.

Any public sector worker in their 20's or 30's who think their pensions will be funded out of current expenditure when they retire is dreaming.

Imagine asking (a much smaller) working population in 40 years time to pay income tax rates of 80% to keep them in the style they were promised.

It's all a con, a big ponzi scheme, - and we know what happens to ponzi schemes eventually.

Who have we got here mystic meg? The pension pot will the still around by the time I retire

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

There will eventually be a private sector revolution - make no mistake.

Any public sector worker in their 20's or 30's who think their pensions will be funded out of current expenditure when they retire is dreaming.

Imagine asking (a much smaller) working population in 40 years time to pay income tax rates of 80% to keep them in the style they were promised.

It's all a con, a big ponzi scheme, - and we know what happens to ponzi schemes eventually.

The private sector is too disjointed, and getting worse with the advent of the gig economy like Uber and Deliveroo.

To think the Garda already got their increase, got general across the board increases and are now back for more says everything you need to know.

Pigs at a trough.

Unions are willing to risk people's lives in order to get their fill.

facehugger99

feckthisgenie wrote: »

Who have we got here mystic meg? The pension pot will the still around by the time I retire

Great - you should use that time to learn how to write coherent sentences.

feckthisgenie

facehugger99 wrote: »

Great - you should use that time to learn how to write coherent sentences.

No I will be using my time now ensuring that our union get in for our deserved pay increase

hmmm

facehugger99 wrote: »

There will eventually be a private sector revolution - make no mistake.

They'll steal our pensions first. They did it last time, they'll do it again.

Government in this country is basically a mafia, a cartel. Highest paid public servants in the world, can't be fired no matter how incompetent or lazy, super-high taxes on low wages to pay for it, and they're back again at the trough just as we face into the uncertainty of Brexit. It's a cartel that is holding the entire country to ransom.

noodler

hawkelady wrote: »

Agree about the guards , but if the government say that the terms and conditions of the current pay deal weren’t broken , there’s not much the guards can do.

Sure the nurses broke the agreement by striking.

They can call the increases within the agreement all they want but the unions have the right to decide that.

In a few years we'll have another downturn and we'll all have to be cut again.

hawkelady

noodler wrote: »

Sure the nurses broke the agreement by striking.

They can call the increases within the agreement all they want but the unions have the right to decide that.

In a few years we'll have another downturn and we'll all have to be cut again.

Nurses broke no agreement according to the government !
Are you blaming nurses for this crash you say we will have in a few years time ?

facehugger99

hawkelady wrote: »

Are you blaming nurses for this crash you say we will have in a few years time ?

Don't worry, I'm sure ye'll be all able to blame de Gubberment.

hawkelady

facehugger99 wrote: »

Don't worry, I'm sure ye'll be all able to blame de Gubberment.

I’m sure the current government will be long gone before we have a crash ..

hawkelady

This current government will be long gone before another crash occurs ...

Twenty Grand

hawkelady wrote: »

This current government will be long gone before another crash occurs ...

It'll be them complaining about the previous government.

eagle eye

The amount of hate for the public sector is ridiculous.
If you remember back around 16-18 years ago they couldn't get enough people to take public sector jobs because the pay was too low. The government decided to increase public sector pay as a result of this.
The public sector didn't deserve good pay back 20+ years ago. On many occasions I almost felt like I was unwelcome when I needed assistance from a public sector worker.
Nowadays they are very easy to deal with, friendly and very productive regardless of what area they work in.
Productivity in the public sector is to be admired imo, the only issues these days are old laws, rules and red tape that slow them down in some areas.
Obviously if you had this improvement over a 20 year period in the private sector you'd expect to be earning more money as profits sore. Unfortunately it's not about profit in the public sector so people get very annoyed that public servants are earning decent money or want a raise.
Nurses and Garda are two very tough jobs and they work very hard so I'll never be annoyed at them looking for more money.
My gripe is that it's every nurse or Garda that gets the same percentage raise most of the time. I don't think that a superintendent necessarily needs a raise as they are getting very well paid already. I don't think that a nurse manager needs a raise either. They are not in the wards working extra hours for free to hand over to the day or night shift.
It's ludicrous in my mind that the gap between the wages of higher and lower earners is growing all the time. It's ludicrous that every time a regular hard working public servant gets a raise that the higher ups in that section are getting even more money.

facehugger99

We have no large standing army, a young population and full employment.

So where's all the money going???

The public sector are absolutely creaming it in this country. Does any other country pay so much for such poor outcomes in health services?

They are like parasites, sucking up all the available resources - money that could be invested into improving services or infrastructural investment, is being channeled into the pockets of a bloated, under-performing and overpaid public service.

They have taken advantage of the political landscape in the country - there is literally no political party that will stand up to them.

When your kids ask you in 20 years time why the country is 100's of billions in debt with crumbling infrastructure when we were bringing in so much money, make sure you point out your local Guard, Nurse and Teacher - tell little Johnny that they fcuked up the country and spunked the money away on foreign holidays and patios rather than prudently invest in the future.

Apologise to Johnny for leaving him a sh;thole of a country and offer him a lift to the airport.

Amirani

feckthisgenie wrote: »

Who have we got here mystic meg? The pension pot will the still around by the time I retire

Without giving credence to much of what the other poster says, they're certainly correct on this point.

Pensions are currently funded by the working population. At present we have 5 working people for every 1 person claiming a pension from the State. By 2050, we'll just have 2 working people for every 1 person claiming a pension.

There is a massive pensions time bomb, both public and private, that is going to lead to some tough decisions down the line.

Old diesel

facehugger99 wrote: »

We have no large standing army, a young population and full employment.

So where's all the money going???

The public sector are absolutely creaming it in this country. Does any other country pay so much for such poor outcomes in health services?

They are like parasites, sucking up all the available resources - money that could be invested into improving services or infrastructural investment, is being channeled into the pockets of a bloated, under-performing and overpaid public service.

They have taken advantage of the political landscape in the country - there is literally no political party that will stand up to them.

When your kids ask you in 20 years time why the country is 100's of billions in debt with crumbling infrastructure when we were bringing in so much money, make sure you point out your local Guard, Nurse and Teacher - tell little Johnny that they fcuked up the country and spunked the money away on foreign holidays and patios rather than prudently invest in the future.

Apologise to Johnny for leaving him a sh;thole of a country and offer him a lift to the airport.

I think the REAL drain to society is the landlord and housing model.

I don't mind paying an excellent nurse a very good wage.

I do however have a problem with the idea of paying a landlord or developer excessive money for a house or a plot of land THEY paid too much for.

You pay close to 2 k a month for a 3 bed and it's not at all clear what you are getting for what will be 200 k over 10 years just on rent at current.

Imagine the difference it would make if rent was 1200 a month and not 2 k.

This rent is putting pressure on wages too.

feckthisgenie

facehugger99 wrote: »

We have no large standing army, a young population and full employment.

So where's all the money going???

The public sector are absolutely creaming it in this country. Does any other country pay so much for such poor outcomes in health services?

They are like parasites, sucking up all the available resources - money that could be invested into improving services or infrastructural investment, is being channeled into the pockets of a bloated, under-performing and overpaid public service.

They have taken advantage of the political landscape in the country - there is literally no political party that will stand up to them.

When your kids ask you in 20 years time why the country is 100's of billions in debt with crumbling infrastructure when we were bringing in so much money, make sure you point out your local Guard, Nurse and Teacher - tell little Johnny that they fcuked up the country and spunked the money away on foreign holidays and patios rather than prudently invest in the future.

Apologise to Johnny for leaving him a sh;thole of a country and offer him a lift to the airport.

I will repeat it was the private sector that bankrupt the country before and it will be them again.
It's not the public servants that are the problem, it's the clueless government that throw money in the wrong areas and don't staff areas adequately.
Again I repeat it's the greed of all the private sector that destroy the economy and they're the problem.
We are the salt of the earth in the public sector

Amirani

feckthisgenie wrote: »

I will repeat it was the private sector that bankrupt the country before and it will be them again.

It was Government's decision to guarantee the liabilities of Anglo and Irish Nationwide. That's a Public decision that caused the effective bankruptcy of the country, not a private one.

You can't just blame "the private sector" for bankrupting the country.

feckthisgenie wrote: »

We are the salt of the earth in the public sector

You're a parody.

storker

Amirani wrote: »

It was Government's decision to guarantee the liabilities of Anglo and Irish Nationwide. That's a Public decision that caused the effective bankruptcy of the country, not a private one.

You can't just blame "the private sector" for bankrupting the country.

Maybe if some of the private sector had the expertise that makes them so "worth it", as we're constantly told, they wouldn't have nosedived their own business into the ground to the extent that, having previously parroted the "government should keeps its nose out of business" line, they then had to go cap in hand to government and say "Help!".

Amirani

storker wrote: »

Maybe if some of the private sector had the expertise that makes them so "worth it", as we're constantly told, they wouldn't have nosedived their own business into the ground to the extent that, having previously parroted the "government should keeps its nose out of business" line, they then had to go cap in hand to government and say "Help!".

The whole of the private sector did that was it? Not sure why people are trying to make it seem like the entirety of the private or public sector are either perfect or terrible. There's good and bad elements of both.

In the same way; you can't just entirely blame either for the financial crisis and Ireland's effective bankruptcy.

Twenty Grand

facehugger99 wrote: »

We have no large standing army, a young population and full employment.

So where's all the money going???

The public sector are absolutely creaming it in this country. Does any other country pay so much for such poor outcomes in health services?

They are like parasites, sucking up all the available resources - money that could be invested into improving services or infrastructural investment, is being channeled into the pockets of a bloated, under-performing and overpaid public service.

They have taken advantage of the political landscape in the country - there is literally no political party that will stand up to them.

When your kids ask you in 20 years time why the country is 100's of billions in debt with crumbling infrastructure when we were bringing in so much money, make sure you point out your local Guard, Nurse and Teacher - tell little Johnny that they fcuked up the country and spunked the money away on foreign holidays and patios rather than prudently invest in the future.

Apologise to Johnny for leaving him a sh;thole of a country and offer him a lift to the airport.

Creaming it compared to who? Wages are broadly comparable to other EU countries, there's no public servants who are making double or treble what a similar person in the UK would make. It's not even like the public sector is a closed shop either. Plenty of jobs for anyone who wants them. Plenty of room for advancement. All wage scales are transparent and you can see what most people earn.

I know what all my public sector friends earn. They don't know what I earn.

Also, it's none of your business what people spend their money on, public or private. If I want to fly to Barbados, deck my entire back garden and throw in a Jacuzzi that's my business.

storker

Amirani wrote: »

The whole of the private sector did that was it?

I think the clue is in the word "some".

Not sure why people are trying to make it seem like the entirety of the private or public sector are either perfect or terrible.

Agreed. Again, this is why I used the word "some". But the hate (I hesitate to use that overloaded word, but sometimes it's hard not to draw that conclusion) that appears to exist in this thread for the public service needs some counterbalance.

There's good and bad elements of both.In the same way; you can't just entirely blame either for the financial crisis and Ireland's effective bankruptcy.

I'm pleased to see that we're actually in agreement.

(I'm a private sector worker, by the way.)

koppy

facehugger99 wrote: »

We have no large standing army, a young population and full employment.

So where's all the money going???

The public sector are absolutely creaming it in this country. Does any other country pay so much for such poor outcomes in health services?



They are like parasites, sucking up all the available resources - money that could be invested into improving services or infrastructural investment, is being channeled into the pockets of a bloated, under-performing and overpaid public service.

They have taken advantage of the political landscape in the country - there is literally no political party that will stand up to them.

When your kids ask you in 20 years time why the country is 100's of billions in debt with crumbling infrastructure when we were bringing in so much money, make sure you point out your local Guard, Nurse and Teacher - tell little Johnny that they fcuked up the country and spunked the money away on foreign holidays and patios rather than prudently invest in the future.

Apologise to Johnny for leaving him a sh;thole of a country and offer him a lift to the airport.

😂😂🀣🀣 very funny post. Wasn't expecting a post in this thread to make me laugh as much

Alrigghtythen

Did anyone else hear the one on newstalk. She said nurses worked shifts for free and got very screechy when challenged on it? Ivan Yeats show

evolving_doors

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Did anyone else hear the one on newstalk. She said nurses worked shifts for free and got very screechy when challenged on it? Ivan Yeats show

She replied when challenged on it. The fact that you only heard screeching shows you'd rather play the 'female hysteria' trope, as opposed to debating it yourself.

Moaning about screeching!
The irony is lost on ya.