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the game ONLY begins at endgame.
Have to admit there's nothing that turns me off a game more than this
A game should begin when the game begins, not after the campaign. It's a fundamental flaw with these types of games, at least in my eyes - I don't have a whole heap of gaming time, and I'm not going to give it over to a game that demands a dozen or two hours of commitment before the 'good stuff'. This isn't to say a game like Anthem shouldn't have long-term content and rewards for more committed players: of course it should! Good games can often evolve in new ways and reveal extra layers over a long period of time. But when I played Destiny a few years ago, completed the tedious campaign and then found out there was another dozen hours of grinding (at least) before the really good raid... frankly, I just checked out.
To confess to my only biases: I don't have a whole lot of time for commitment-heavy loot games in general. And I don't have any interest in what Bioware is putting out anymore - they're not the studio that made a few games I liked a decade or two ago. But yeah even with that in mind, personally whenever I hear that a game only properly opens up after a fair chunk of play... that's pretty bad design in my estimation, and illustrates a lack of respect for the player and their time. I mean, other demanding games - like the Souls series - throw players in the deep end immediately, while still boasting plenty of opportunities for high-level play.0 -
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »Have to admit there's nothing that turns me off a game more than this A game should begin when the game begins, not after the campaign. It's a fundamental flaw with these types of games, at least in my eyes - I don't have a whole heap of gaming time, and I'm not going to give it over to a game that demands a dozen or two hours of commitment before the 'good stuff'. This isn't to say a game like Anthem shouldn't have long-term content and rewards for more committed players: of course it should! Good games can often evolve in new ways and reveal extra layers over a long period of time. But when I played Destiny a few years ago, completed the tedious campaign and then found out there was another dozen hours of grinding (at least) before the really good raid... frankly, I just checked out.
To confess to my only biases: I don't have a whole lot of time for commitment-heavy loot games in general. And I don't have any interest in what Bioware is putting out anymore - they're not the studio that made a few games I liked a decade or two ago. But yeah even with that in mind, personally whenever I hear that a game only properly opens up after a fair chunk of play... that's pretty bad design in my estimation, and illustrates a lack of respect for the player and their time. I mean, other demanding games - like the Souls series - throw players in the deep end immediately, while still boasting plenty of opportunities for high-level play.
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It's a horrible excuse IMO. There is not reason why it cannot have a full-filling campaign. "Oh no but the end game" isn't an excuse for lacklustre design.0 -
johnny_ultimate wrote: »Have to admit there's nothing that turns me off a game more than this A game should begin when the game begins, not after the campaign. It's a fundamental flaw with these types of games, at least in my eyes - I don't have a whole heap of gaming time, and I'm not going to give it over to a game that demands a dozen or two hours of commitment before the 'good stuff'. This isn't to say a game like Anthem shouldn't have long-term content and rewards for more committed players: of course it should! Good games can often evolve in new ways and reveal extra layers over a long period of time. But when I played Destiny a few years ago, completed the tedious campaign and then found out there was another dozen hours of grinding (at least) before the really good raid... frankly, I just checked out.
To confess to my only biases: I don't have a whole lot of time for commitment-heavy loot games in general. And I don't have any interest in what Bioware is putting out anymore - they're not the studio that made a few games I liked a decade or two ago. But yeah even with that in mind, personally whenever I hear that a game only properly opens up after a fair chunk of play... that's pretty bad design in my estimation, and illustrates a lack of respect for the player and their time. I mean, other demanding games - like the Souls series - throw players in the deep end immediately, while still boasting plenty of opportunities for high-level play.
Pretty simple then isnt it, the game is not for you
Thats the nature of the beast that is endgame loop looters, take it or leave it , whats the point complaining.
Its like me going into BR games threads complaining about BR , i just dont do it because whats the point?
Having said that BR suddenly became enjoyable to me with Apex but the point remains
[not talking about you specifically] but there are a few hellbent to moan and whinge about it in here just because they dont like the genre :rolleyes:It's a horrible excuse IMO. There is not reason why it cannot have a full-filling campaign. "Oh no but the end game" isn't an excuse for lacklustre design.
Actually quite a lot of looter games dont even have a story or a campaign, just straight into endgame so that makes your point redundant straight away.
The whole concept seems to be going right over your head but you see it as an excuse.
I'm pretty sure the majority who enjoy the loot loop gameplay would be quite happy to see no campaign anyways.1000s of hours into this type of game any story becomes forgettable very fast.
Stories or campaigns in this type of game merely serves as a scene setting exercise.
If people don't like this idea then don't play it.0 -
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Fred The Red wrote: »
You must be sitting there scoring the net for generic review sites in an attempt to back up your opinion on the game and genre.
Maybe check out some reviews from seasoned endgame looter players while your at it.
Here ill help you :P
Meanwhile im off to find some poor reviews for PUBG or maybe something else and stick them into their respective threads.
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You must be sitting there scoring the net for generic review sites in an attempt to back up your opinion on the game and genre.
Maybe check out some reviews from seasoned endgame looter players while your at it.
Here ill help you :P
Meanwhile im off to find some poor reviews for PUBG or maybe something else and stick them into their respective threads.
This is a discussion forum. So all sides of a debate are welcome. It's a divisive game for many a reason.
I'd appreciate less of the passive aggressive comments.0 -
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Yes, multiple posts coming across as passive aggressive.
Multiple passive aggressive posts? Totally disagree however there is a report
feature.I've interest in this because I've enjoyed Bioware games in the past
Theres your problem right there, as has been pointed out by multiple posters this is nowhere near your usual Bioware game everyone knew this long before release.
If no interest in endgame loot loop then this is not the game for you ,move on and let others enjoy it for what it is.
If it makes you feel better then by all means , just makes you look silly pulling pointless videos in a vein attempt to add weight to your argument, you know im right here tooI will continue to share reviews ect. If you don't like don't read. Its quite funny actually
Again you know what you are at you are bashing, dress it up how you like but your just hating on the game without having a clue about endgame :rolleyes:You are inventing an narrative. There is no "bashing".I've also complamented the patch work and the performance on X according to other folks here and am eager to see if it can be improved upon.
Clutching at straws comes to mind.0 -
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Multiple passive aggressive posts? Totally disagree however there is a report
feature.
Theres your problem right there, as has been pointed out by multiple posters this is nowhere near your usual Bioware game everyone knew this long before release.
If no interest in endgame loot loop then this is not the game for you ,move on and let others enjoy it for what it is.
If it makes you feel better then by all means , just makes you look silly pulling pointless videos in a vein attempt to add weight to your argument, you know im right here too Its quite funny actually
Again you know what you are at you are bashing, dress it up how you like but your just hating on the game without having a clue about endgame :rolleyes:
Clutching at straws comes to mind.
Yea the above is all waffle. No point in engaging with you any further for the sake of the thread.0 -
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