mountrath mart closing

patsy_mccabe

Remember that the legal profession have to make a living too. Since the collapse of the building trade, I think a lot went down this route.
I know someone who crashed into the back of someone. It was a small tip and the driver got out of the front car and walked around fine. Turns out they have put in a large claim since. You'll never quess what they do for a living.

_Brian

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

“The insurance companies have a tendency to settle claims because it’s more cost-effective and, while we understand that, at the end of the day the marts are going to pay for that.” Eimear McGuinness Donegal Co-Op

That’s not always true.

I had a claim against FBD following an RTA.

FBD faught, faught dragging it out for years even though every specialist report theirs and mine agreed, they wanted more and more evidence which was all reporting the same results.
Five years they racked up more and more costs, medical, legal, travel everything spiralled upwards.

Then, at a settlement meeting they voided the business insurance and left the business on the hook for a huge bill. I was astonished at what happened as was my solicitor and barrister.

20silkcut

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Remember that the legal profession have to make a living too. Since the collapse of the building trade, I think a lot went down this route.
I know someone who crashed into the back of someone. It was a small tip and the driver got out of the front car and walked around fine. Turns out they have put in a large claim since. You'll never quess what they do for a living.

Yes the legal profession makes a fortune from these cases. It is their bread and butter. And they are immune to political pressure and interference. So nothing will change.
Claims and awards it seems can rise and rise but when it is suggested to reduce them they can’t budge.

jaymla627

Off-duty guard hit the front wheel of tractor here while overtaking as I was pulling into filling station, copped him in my mirror in time and locked on brakes, minimal damage to car but of course the guard was in a awful way with soft tissue damage(his 3rd time to claim for the same injury) the poor chap had to take 4 months of work, bombarded with solicitor letters etc about settling....
Witnesses present verified my story about dangerous driving on our mans part, but guards where having none of it, the pictures his girlfriend put up on fb of the prick in France three days after the accident and the poor chap supposedly not able to move came in fierce handy then, forwarded them in to insurance company and he didn’t get a penny, still got done myself for reckless driving in court but we all know how the guards look after their own

wrangler

jaymla627 wrote: »

Off-duty guard hit the front wheel of tractor here while overtaking as I was pulling into filling station, copped him in my mirror in time and locked on brakes, minimal damage to car but of course the guard was in a awful way with soft tissue damage(his 3rd time to claim for the same injury) the poor chap had to take 4 months of work, bombarded with solicitor letters etc about settling....
Witnesses present verified my story about dangerous driving on our mans part, but guards where having none of it, the pictures his girlfriend put up on fb of the prick in France three days after the accident and the poor chap supposedly not able to move came in fierce handy then, forwarded them in to insurance company and he didn’t get a penny, still got done myself for reckless driving in court but we all know how the guards look after their own

About thirty years ago we were at silage and my driver that was drawing silage was turning left in a gate when Mark Kilileas driver rear ended the trailer, hitting it that hard that it drove the tractor into the concrete gate pier taking it out of it, Kilileas driver was a guard and my driver got done for dangerous driving...... tbf we had no indicators but his skid marks were over 100 yds with a fancy black merc

Joe Daly

Went to pay my gaa membership to day the club official handed me application form to fill out then he will take my membership data protection. Remember a time when life was simple, as regards guards the local sergent called at home one day it was after dinner my poor mother had just washed the floor he slipped on it looked for money and it was not official business he was on.

kk.man

Joe Daly wrote: »

Went to pay my gaa membership to day the club official handed me application form to fill out then he will take my membership data protection. Remember a time when life was simple, as regards guards the local sergent called at home one day it was after dinner my poor mother had just washed the floor he slipped on it looked for money and it was not official business he was on.

FFS

bogman_bass

Where will the stock that went to mount rate go to now?

fergus1001

bogman_bass wrote:

Where will the stock that went to mount rate go to now?

Roscrea Tullamore or ballinakill or carlow

big blow to the area fair trip to some of those spots

Hurling Hereford

fergus1001 wrote: »

Roscrea Tullamore or ballinakill or carlow

big blow to the area fair trip to some of those spots

Or the 'super' mart in Cillin Hill, Kilkenny?

simx

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Or the 'super' mart in Cillin Hill, Kilkenny?

Carlow or balinakill wouldn’t be much better

patsy_mccabe

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Or the 'super' mart in Cillin Hill, Kilkenny?

What is that mart like to sell or buy in?

Hurling Hereford

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What is that mart like to sell or buy in?

Kilkenny Marts' livestock sales take place each week, attracting up to 1,000 farmers or dealers to buy or sell, even browse. Monday, Sheep sales (Dairy stock January to May and October to December) Tuesday, Calves (February to June) and Weanlings (September to December) and Thursday, All classes of adult cattle

3 the square

fergus1001 wrote: »

Roscrea Tullamore or ballinakill or carlow

big blow to the area fair trip to some of those spots

What kind of numbers had they weekly to warrant closing??

Dakota Dan

Grueller wrote: »

Even the disclaimers don't hold according to a mate who is a solicitor. He says the precedent has been set that if an occupier shows even the slightest negligence the disclaimer is null and void. Negligence could be as simple as cowsh1t making the floor slippy, not enough drovers, the gate to the penning area left unlocked.

My son was go carting in Cork last night and had to sign a disclaimer first, he had 2 crashes black and blue today, time will heal those wounds quickly. I'd say if someone got seriously injured their disclaimer wouldn't be worth Jack Schitt in a court. There was a quad track in Blarney years ago and they had to close as they couldn't insurance.

Dakota Dan

wrangler wrote: »

About thirty years ago we were at silage and my driver that was drawing silage was turning left in a gate when Mark Kilileas driver rear ended the trailer, hitting it that hard that it drove the tractor into the concrete gate pier taking it out of it, Kilileas driver was a guard and my driver got done for dangerous driving...... tbf we had no indicators but his skid marks were over 100 yds with a fancy black merc

There was a local Garda bash in a hotel here years ago and a garda crashed into another car going home from it, nothing came of it after and everything was hushed up :mad:

fergus1001

3 the square wrote:

What kind of numbers had they weekly to warrant closing??

I think there were roughly 500 head going in but I've seen an awful lot of no sales in there

Dakota Dan

Sharon had a fly annoy her while doing the report, she kept going even though she didn't look too happy

Never wrestle with pigs

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

What is that mart like to sell or buy in?

Ok for a local. Can be hot and cold. Some days though they really take the piss dividing up cattle or knocking them down to the "lads"

Never wrestle with pigs

bogman_bass wrote: »

Where will the stock that went to mount rate go to now?

Say most will end up in roscrea. It's a good mart to be fair. David takes no ****e from the goons. It's not very far from mountrath. Anything the other direction of say will go to tullamore. The Thursday night sale was deadly handy though.

morphy87

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Say most will end up in roscrea. It's a good mart to be fair. David takes no ****e from the goons. It's not very far from mountrath. Anything the other direction of say will go to tullamore. The Thursday night sale was deadly handy though.

Is that the same David that sells in Thurles?

Never wrestle with pigs

morphy87 wrote: »

Is that the same David that sells in Thurles?

It's a good few years since I've been in Thurles but he possibly could be there too.

orm0nd

morphy87 wrote: »

Is that the same David that sells in Thurles?

his sister and brother are well know in the culinary arts

morphy87

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

It's a good few years since I've been in Thurles but he possibly could be there too.

A man with a beard? if so in my opinion and a lot of others he is one of the best auctioneers in the country takes no messing off the dealers and he can pick you out very easy when bidding and he is very easy to understand and also you know when you are in the cattle unlike some auctioneers and he always try’s very hard for the seller and when trying to buy he will come back to you a few times before he drops the hammer

orm0nd

morphy87 wrote: »

A man with a beard? if so in my opinion and a lot of others he is one of the best auctioneers in the country takes no messing off the dealers and he can pick you out very easy when bidding and he is very easy to understand and also you know when you are in the cattle unlike some auctioneers and he always try’s very hard for the seller and when trying to buy he will come back to you a few times before he drops the hammer

bid once and he'll always check with you afterthat, great eye contact, one of the best seller's auctioneers there is. and a pure gentleman

20silkcut

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Or the 'super' mart in Cillin Hill, Kilkenny?

For al it’s ‘super’ aspects it puts you up on a bloody pedestal behind the auctioneer when your selling.
You’d nearly feel like your the one being sold.

morphy87

orm0nd wrote: »

bid once and he'll always check with you afterthat, great eye contact, one of the best seller's auctioneers there is. and a pure gentleman

Talking to some of the farmers that came to Thurles as carrick was closed they could not get over how good he was very impressed they were,if they are starting new courses for livestock auctioneers they should bring some of the students to show a good man at work,also what I noticed he never drops the hammer before consulting with the owner unlike a lot or doesn’t get contrary if a seller doesn’t sell

boggerman1

morphy87 wrote: »

A man with a beard? if so in my opinion and a lot of others he is one of the best auctioneers in the country takes no messing off the dealers and he can pick you out very easy when bidding and he is very easy to understand and also you know when you are in the cattle unlike some auctioneers and he always try’s very hard for the seller and when trying to buy he will come back to you a few times before he drops the hammer

The best auctioneer by a mile,David O'Connell.whenever he retires from the business Thurles will have some job replacing him.when I used to work there they had a guy Willie troy think he sells in Newport mart who was good too.knew the game well and took no messing

kk.man

20silkcut wrote: »

For al it’s ‘super’ aspects it puts you up on a bloody pedestal behind the auctioneer when your selling.
You’d nearly feel like your the one being sold.

Agree..massive fault there..just turn your face to the wall.

Albert Johnson

The insurance debacle is proving very hard to reach a satisfactory conclusion for all involved. The risk element for the insurer's is huge and with our ever increasing "claim culture" it's difficult to see the premiums being reduced. On the flip side a reduced level of access is not well received by the clientele and they are of course integral to the marts success.

Livestock are unpredictable and coupled with a strange environment the chances of an incident are even higher. The average age of farmers is increasing all the time, farm fatality records show the elderly are more likely to be involved in an accident than younger farmers. Many of the mart clientele are older and therefore the risks are increased, several of the recent publised incidents in marts involved older people.

I have little knowledge of the legal obligation of marts and what matters can be taken to negotiate or manage the risk of a claim. Signage is present in all marts and the use of a disclaimer is heralded as a solution but I'm skeptical of the value of the above in the event of a claim. I have however noticed that mart drovers seem to escape without serious injury despite handling the same livestock that are involved in customer claims. The drovers are trained in livestock handling and risk assessment and avoidance so perhaps a similar approach could be taken in regards to customers.

The introduction of a "safe pass" type course may help to educate clientele as to the extra dangers present in a mart environment. It could also be seen as a step to reduce the risk and subsequent obligation of the mart to any future claimants. Failing this a reduced level of access to the penning area's may be a necessary evil going forward if the issue of insurance is to be stabilised.

It is important to remember that spiraling insurance premiums are only one of a myriad of issues facing marts going forward. The traditional structure may need some adjustment to insure it's survival and some unpopular decisions such as reduced access may need to be made.

A final comment on auctioneers and the attitude towards "dealers", as in every industry there are both the good and bad involved. Some of the sellers are unreasonable and out of touch with the market but of course lay the blame on others. It's of paramount importance to know the value of your own stock and target the best available market. Dealers are a necessary cog in the chain and many marts would be the worse for there absence. Auctioneers are the same and although some are better than others the final choice lies with the seller. As with everything in life you keep your eyes open and your own priorities at heart.