Phoenix Park deer cull item on the radio

Melodeon

Ciara Kelly on Newstalk is going to be doing an item on the Phoenix Park deer cull today.

Grizzly 45

Wonder which one of the Anti crowd will be on, spouting emotive arguments?:rolleyes:

Melodeon

John Carmody :rolleyes:

Of COURSE it was John Carmody, with his voice quivering, just short of weeping in his anguish at the thought of the deers being murdered in front of their friends and families!

pawrick

This bugs me every year it comes up in the news as some people act like it's something new every single time and would lead you to believe there are people driving around shooting every deer shaped object they see in the park.

The herd in the phoenix park is managed to maintain numbers at a sustainable level, fallow deer aren't even a remotely endangered species and without natural predators their numbers in the park left uncontrolled would lead to other serious problems. I'm far from being pro hunting but I understand the need for controlled management esp. in areas like the park where a cull is the most viable/cost effective solution. I really think people get sucked in on the emotive issue rather than thinking the reasoning for it through in specific circumstances.

qb123

Disappointed by the thread given the promise of the title....

lawred2

pawrick wrote: »

This bugs me every year it comes up in the news as some people act like it's something new every single time and would lead you to believe there are people driving around shooting every deer shaped object they see in the park.

The herd in the phoenix park is managed to maintain numbers at a sustainable level, fallow deer aren't even a remotely endangered species and without natural predictors their numbers in the park left uncontrolled would lead to other serious problems. I'm far from being pro hunting but I understand the need for controlled management esp. in areas like the park where a cull is the most viable/cost effective solution. I really think people get sucked in on the emotive issue rather than thinking the reasoning for it through in specific circumstances.

could they not be captured and fecked off into the wilderness somewhere else?

if not - then population control is fair enough

Melodeon

qb123 wrote: »

Disappointed by the thread given the promise of the title....

Thread title amended!

oLoonatic

I actually saw the guy doing the cull. carrying the rifle by the barrell. found it very strange!!

Drifter50

There is an epidemic of deer in South County Dublin at the moment and local landowners are not allowed to cull them. It is positively dangerous to drive the roads of Enniskerry, Glencree, Glencullen, Barnacullia, Tibradden, Killakee etc etc etc. You are as likely to round a bend and be faced with several deer in the middle of the road. They are so tame that they will stand and stare at you.

They have to be culled here and now, never mind the Phoenix Park before someone is killed. It is of epidemic scale at the minute

garv123

Drifter50 wrote: »

There is an epidemic of deer in South County Dublin at the moment and local landowners are not allowed to cull them. It is positively dangerous to drive the roads of Enniskerry, Glencree, Glencullen, Barnacullia, Tibradden, Killakee etc etc etc. You are as likely to round a bend and be faced with several deer in the middle of the road. They are so tame that they will stand and stare at you.

They have to be culled here and now, never mind the Phoenix Park before someone is killed. It is of epidemic scale at the minute

Why are local land owners not allowed to cull them?

Grizzly 45

lawred2 wrote: »

could they not be captured and fecked off into the wilderness somewhere else?

if not - then population control is fair enough

Unfortunately due to legislation No.You cant move wild animals about the countryside .Also, its pretty expensive and difficult to do right as well.

garv123

lawred2 wrote: »

could they not be captured and fecked off into the wilderness somewhere else?

if not - then population control is fair enough

Deer are culled in other places too, to keep the numbers in check. It isn't at the snowflakes front door or all over social media tho, so they dont get to be outraged.

Dravokivich

lawred2 wrote: »

could they not be captured and fecked off into the wilderness somewhere else?

if not - then population control is fair enough

They are culled throughout the country. We could do what yellow stone park did, but then we'd need to figure out something to deal with wolves in the wild.

judestynes

I had a conversation about this on facebook yesterday. The bile and hatred spouted at me and another shooter from all the Vegans who were totally outraged was appalling. Totally impossible to have any sort of rational conversation with these people. The sheer arrogance that their opinion is the only correct one .

J.R.

judestynes wrote: »

I had a conversation about this on facebook yesterday.

I wouldn't waste my breath with those keyboard warriors on Facebook

ganmo

Drifter50 wrote: »

There is an epidemic of deer in South County Dublin at the moment and local landowners are not allowed to cull them. It is positively dangerous to drive the roads of Enniskerry, Glencree, Glencullen, Barnacullia, Tibradden, Killakee etc etc etc. You are as likely to round a bend and be faced with several deer in the middle of the road. They are so tame that they will stand and stare at you.

They have to be culled here and now, never mind the Phoenix Park before someone is killed. It is of epidemic scale at the minute

Section 42s are gotten regularly in that area so I'm not sure who you're getting your info off

judestynes

J.R. wrote: »

I wouldn't waste my breath with those keyboard warriors on Facebook

Lesson learned. Same as playing chess with a pigeon. Poo's all over the the board and think it won.

AndrewJRenko

Drifter50 wrote: »

There is an epidemic of deer in South County Dublin at the moment and local landowners are not allowed to cull them. It is positively dangerous to drive the roads of Enniskerry, Glencree, Glencullen, Barnacullia, Tibradden, Killakee etc etc etc. You are as likely to round a bend and be faced with several deer in the middle of the road.

You never know what's going to be around any bend, so you need todrive accordingly.

meathstevie

Drifter50 wrote: »

There is an epidemic of deer in South County Dublin at the moment and local landowners are not allowed to cull them. It is positively dangerous to drive the roads of Enniskerry, Glencree, Glencullen, Barnacullia, Tibradden, Killakee etc etc etc. You are as likely to round a bend and be faced with several deer in the middle of the road. They are so tame that they will stand and stare at you.

They have to be culled here and now, never mind the Phoenix Park before someone is killed. It is of epidemic scale at the minute

Deer season is still very much open for all deer not carrying antlers.

Cass

I didn't read any articles about this, but given past events i'd guess it's the antis complaining about Bambi being "murdered"?

Nothing new. They're as qualified to talk about culling, herd numbers, and population management because of what they see/read as i am about lesbian relationship from watching a video on Pornhub.

What irks me about all this is the air time they get. So they don't like eating meat, and such. Why force that belief system on everyone else? Its the same as every other social issue in the last two years. It's not enough that people can have their own beliefs and each to their own, now the fringe/minority want to force (and i do mean force, with violence if necessary) everyone else to their way of thinking.

It's not good enough that people hear their opinions, they are demanding validation from others. If they need that recognition so badly then they have bigger , possibly psychological, problems.

Just wondering about this cull, I have no issues with it by the way!

The guy doing the cull, he shoots the deer like he would up the mountains somewhere, would it not be easier for them to try to round up the deer into an enclosure & do it there? He shoots one, then the rest of them run off.

Pissartist

Reintroduce Wolves

Vegeta

Cass wrote: »

Nothing new. They're as qualified to talk about culling, herd numbers, and population management because of what they see/read as i am about lesbian relationship from watching a video on Pornhub.

This had me in stitches

kunekunesika

Answering Bubblypops question.
If you round up the deer into a enclosure and start to shoot some, you will cause significant stress to all the animals. Shooting them as in the wild, while not eliminating it, will reduce this stress level, hence the reason this method is used.

Grizzly 45

Pissartist wrote: »

Reintroduce Wolves

That comment being sarcastic ,hopefully??

viper123

Cass wrote: »

I didn't read any articles about this, but given past events i'd guess it's the antis complaining about Bambi being "murdered"?

Nothing new. They're as qualified to talk about culling, herd numbers, and population management because of what they see/read as i am about lesbian relationship from watching a video on Pornhub.

What irks me about all this is the air time they get. So they don't like eating meat, and such. Why force that belief system on everyone else? Its the same as every other social issue in the last two years. It's not enough that people can have their own beliefs and each to their own, now the fringe/minority want to force (and i do mean force, with violence if necessary) everyone else to their way of thinking.

It's not good enough that people hear their opinions, they are demanding validation from others. If they need that recognition so badly then they have bigger , possibly psychological, problems.

Well said, also worth mentioning that the deer in phoenix park all have ear tags so are effectively someones livestock and are there to be managed as well as to make the park look nice..

meathstevie

viper123 wrote: »

Well said, also worth mentioning that the deer in phoenix park all have ear tags so are effectively someones livestock and are there to be managed as well as to make the park look nice..

They're not deemed to be livestock, they're like every other wild animal in the park. Free to roam and no one's property. Hence you have no liability towards anyone and no one has any liability towards you if you would happen to hit one with the car while driving through the park.

meathstevie

bubblypop wrote: »

Just wondering about this cull, I have no issues with it by the way!

The guy doing the cull, he shoots the deer like he would up the mountains somewhere, would it not be easier for them to try to round up the deer into an enclosure & do it there? He shoots one, then the rest of them run off.

Near impossible to herd them into an enclosure and the stress levels would be through the roof. Compared to wild deer when you get them running a thorough bred national hunt horse is remarkably tame.

Given the lack of natural predators and the fact that it's highly unlikely any will pop up in Ireland any time soon a well placed high velocity rifle bullet from a reasonable distance is by far the best way to control deer populations.

Odelay

viper123 wrote: »

Well said, also worth mentioning that the deer in phoenix park all have ear tags so are effectively someones livestock and are there to be managed as well as to make the park look nice..

Lots of animals are tagged, from birds to sharks. Doesn’t mean they are someone’s livestock.

Grizzly 45

They are in this case. They are owned by us all.
As it is a, no matter how big an area, an enclosed space owned by the people of Ireland in custody of the Irish Govt depts responsible for its upkeep.

Tagging them is a legal requirement, as it is with any herd or stock within the state as they are a herd of park deer so, therefore, managed animals and not totally Frae Nateure.IE they can't leave the park environs and make off to Wicklow for example. IOW they are no different really than farmed deer.They might live "wild" [as much as is possible surrounded by about 3.5 million people]. But are still enclosed.It would indeed be interesting a legal case if someone indeed did push this. Because tagging would suggest ownership and therefore care to the public against wandering stock. Unless there is something in the park bye-laws or some sort of indemnity of the park under law if a deer does go into someones windshield?

Wonder has anyone poached a few up there??:P

Guy:Incognito

Instead of culling them, next year why dont they round up the excess deer and drop them over in your mans front garden. Wonder how long hed be willing to keep them alive.