are our Catholic/Christian values being brushed aside?

Wheres Me Jumper?

i ask this question in light of a recent article i spotted.
do you agree with the journalist's supposition, and do you care?

like many you may think it's a good thing and to be welcomed.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/christianity-is-being-eroded-and-despised-irelands-moral-minority-rise-up-37700374.html

eviltwin

I got as far as Charles Byrne and I stopped reading. He's a notorious fruitcake.

skooterblue2

Multi culturalism and its benefits, Discuss for 200.
Bonus points for FGM, new diseases, polygamy, under age marriages and secular violence.

kenmc

Fingers crossed. No place for religion in this day and age.

Wheres Me Jumper?

kenmc wrote: »

Fingers crossed. No place for religion in this day and age.

but are we not replacing one form of intolerance with another?

skooterblue2

kenmc wrote: »

Fingers crossed. No place for religion in this day and age.

REally? Have you seen all mosques planned and Baptist churches in Industrial estates? Its not going to end well I am telling for one crowd or the other

Captain Obvious

Depends on what values you mean. The ones that are preached or the ones that are practiced?

eviltwin

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

but are we not replacing one form of intolerance with another?

You living your life how you want and staying out of mine and vice versa is not intolerance.

Intolerance is insisting we hold onto traditional values when it's clear a sizeable group in society don't share them.

EagererBeaver

As far as I'm aware, there are still shedloads of paedophile priests protected by the church in Ireland. Age old Catholic values are alive and well.

skooterblue2

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

but are we not replacing one form of intolerance with another?

Course not, Communist only Killed 150 million I think. They made Hitler, Idi Amin and David Koresh look like girl guides

Wheres Me Jumper?

eviltwin wrote: »

You living your life how you want and staying out of mine and vice versa is not intolerance.

Intolerance is insisting we hold onto traditional values when it's clear a sizeable group in society don't share them.

yes but some folk insisting we all abandon religion as we strive for a new secular Ireland. that's just intolerance dressed up as liberalism.

Spanish Eyes

It is and always should be a personal choice. No one is hampering that.

Ever.

No need to validate anyone's choice in life unless there is a criminal aspect attached.

I really doubt anyone cares anymore TBH.

Coincidentally, I've been reading Nietzsche a lot these days and he's absolutely mindblowing in some of his insights, in particular about the consequences of loss of tradition (His famous 'God is dead' claim, for instance, was really about the usefulness of God being less in an industrial society):

Nietzsche on... The Age of Comparisons (Human, All Too Human, 1878)

THE AGE OF COMPARISON. The less men are fettered by tradition, the greater becomes the inward activity of their motives; the greater, again, in proportion thereto, the outward restlessness, the confused flux of mankind, the polyphony of strivings. For whom is there still an absolute; compulsion to bind himself and his descendants to one place? For whom is there still anything strictly compulsory? As all styles of arts are imitated simultaneously, so also are all grades and kinds of morality, of customs, of cultures. Such an age obtains its importance because in it the various views of the world, customs, and cultures can be compared and experienced simultaneously, which was formerly not possible with the always localised sway of every culture, corresponding to the rooting of all artistic styles in place and time. An increased aesthetic feeling will now at last decide amongst so many forms presenting themselves for comparison; it will allow the greater number, that is to say all those rejected by it, to die out. In the same way a selection amongst the forms and customs of the higher moralities is taking place, of which the aim can be nothing else than the downfall of the lower moralities. It is the age of comparison! That is its pride, but more justly also its grief. Let us not be afraid of this grief! Rather will we comprehend as adequately as possible the task our age sets us: posterity will bless us for doing so, a posterity which knows itself to be as much above the terminated original national cultures as above the culture of comparison, but which looks back with gratitude on both kinds of culture as upon antiquities worthy of veneration.

eviltwin

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

yes but some folk insisting we all abandon religion as we strive for a new secular Ireland. that's just intolerance dressed up as liberalism.

There is no liberal movement to ban religion. You are confusing it with separation of church and state.

sk8erboii

Yes and thank f*ck

skooterblue2

eviltwin wrote: »

There is no liberal movement to ban religion. You are confusing it with separation of church and state.

Actually the state want to take over the complete running of education both in Ireland and the UK. The Boards of Governers are to be changing owner ship from public property to Government property I read last year. I like the idea of locally run schools where you can pull up a local official.

lawred2

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i ask this question in light of a recent article i spotted.
do you agree with the journalist's supposition, and do you care?

like many you may think it's a good thing and to be welcomed.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/christianity-is-being-eroded-and-despised-irelands-moral-minority-rise-up-37700374.html

Ireland's moral minority!!?

What the f&&k?

So the only moral people are those that believe in fairytales and take direction from lads in frocks?

riffmongous

Which Christian values exactly? Most of the useful ones were never strictly adhered to by the church or populace in the first place

One eyed Jack

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i ask this question in light of a recent article i spotted.
do you agree with the journalist's supposition, and do you care?

like many you may think it's a good thing and to be welcomed.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/christianity-is-being-eroded-and-despised-irelands-moral-minority-rise-up-37700374.html

It’s a rare occasion I’d agree with anything Simon Harris has to say, but on this occasion he’s bang on -

Simon Harris this week described social media posts claiming to identify the location where the first abortion was to take place under new laws as "despicable".

Harris argued that, in his view, the posts were effectively an attempt to "incite harassment of women".


As for the article itself? No, I don’t agree with it, and I hope that clown doesn’t go into politics, there are far too many of them in Irish politics as it is.

Whoever btw suggested calling the hospital Drogheda University Hospital ought to be taken out back and shot with balls of their own shìte - DUH?? :pac:

skooterblue2

lawred2 wrote: »

So the only moral people are those that believe in fairytales and take direction from lads in frocks?

So you dont like them?
Wait until you see the next lot coming in have to offer:
Women are second rate citizens
People who dont identify as the genders they are assigned
FGM is the natural choice for women
Age is no barrier to a relationship particularily if she is under 10.
Dogs and pigs are banned for religious reasons.
Can have a pint in the pub without being told its not Halal.
............. ah feck I am heading to eastern where I wont be reminded about my white privillege

Spannerplank

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Multi culturalism and its benefits, Discuss for 200.
Bonus points for FGM, new diseases, polygamy, under age marriages and secular violence.

What's wrong with polygamy?

You've probably cheated on your wife of girlfriend or at least thought about it.

One eyed Jack

eviltwin wrote: »

There is no liberal movement to ban religion. You are confusing it with separation of church and state.

Ahh now, it’s not true to say there’s no liberal movement to ban religion. There is. It’s just not a very large one, and it’s taken about as seriously as the equally small movement trying to ban Muslims from immigrating into the country. They share a common goal in the sense that they’re both two cheeks of the same arse - both groups trying to ban religion from Irish society - neither group taken all that seriously as they are the extremes of either side of the left/right political divide.

Peatys

skooterblue2 wrote: »

ah feck I am heading to eastern where I wont be reminded about my white privillege

Bet you don't.

"Are our Catholic/Christian values being brushed aside?"

You make the novice error of assuming you speak for other people.

lawred2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

So you dont like them?
Wait until you see the next lot coming in have to offer:
Women are second rate citizens
People who dont identify as the genders they are assigned
FGM is the natural choice for women
Age is no barrier to a relationship particularily if she is under 10.
Dogs and pigs are banned for religious reasons.
Can have a pint in the pub without being told its not Halal.
............. ah feck I am heading to eastern where I wont be reminded about my white privillege

Yeah that's a clear and present danger alright

skooterblue2

Spannerplank wrote: »

What's wrong with polygamy?

You've probably cheated on your wife of girlfriend or at least thought about it.

I dont know inbreeding, VD, one is more than enough. etc etc

No I have never cheated on my fiancee. I have always been faithful. I have the most wonderful partner anyone could wish for. I have too much to lose by cheating on her. Often thought about murdering her but never cheat, and Vice Versa.

Nothing like cheating on the wife and she gets the house, kids, dog and you have to pay for two homes, twice the grief. Sad saps who get caught at this have miserable lives. I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy

Odhinn

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i ask this question in light of a recent article i spotted.
do you agree with the journalist's supposition, and do you care?

like many you may think it's a good thing and to be welcomed.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/christianity-is-being-eroded-and-despised-irelands-moral-minority-rise-up-37700374.html

It's more that civil law is being seperated from the tenants of faith, which is a good thing. A lack of over-deferential behaviour to religous orders is also a good thing, just as it is with the states other sacred cow, the gardai.

One eyed Jack

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I dont know inbreeding, VD, one is more than enough. etc etc

No I have never cheated on my fiancee. I have always been faithful. I have the most wonderful partner anyone could wish for. I have too much to lose by cheating on her. Often thought about murdering her but never cheat, and Vice Versa.

Nothing like cheating on the wife and she gets the house, kids, dog and you have to pay for two homes, twice the grief. Sad saps who get caught at this have miserable lives. I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy

Ah well that’s ok then skooter, carry on, nothing to see here

skooterblue2

Peatys wrote: »

Bet you don't.

Well the Average Irish family cant afford to buy their own house. We are being told that Homelessness in Ireland is going to be Normal. I am educated and have two professions much in demand. There is no value to working when the fat of what you earn get taken in tax and you wont be able to retire to well past 75 at the rate we are going. You dont think I want hang around for that?

CalamariFritti

No one brushes Christian values and Chisitian's believes aside. They're free to hold those values and believe what they believe. But I think its good that those values and believes are no longer dictated on everyone else, too. Not to the same strict degree anyway.

gctest50

skooterblue2 wrote: »

So you dont like them?
Wait until you see the next lot coming in have to offer:

Ah a bit of the ould scaremongering, can't beat it of a Saturday evening

Next lot ? how about No lot.

I've never seen or heard of anyone dying because they were atheist

( being killed or dying because of denied care doesn't count )

If you can't live your life without murdering yer neighbour etc etc without having to refer to some holy book or other, you are a robot - a squidgy robot

Sofiztikated

What values are these now?

Being "Christian" and judging all those around you?

skooterblue2

gctest50 wrote: »

Ah a bit of the ould scaremongering, can't beat it of a Saturday evening

Next lot ? how about No lot.

I've never seen or heard of anyone dying because they were atheist

( being killed or dying because of denied care doesn't count )

If you can't live your life without murdering yer neighbour etc etc without having to refer to some holy book or other, you are a robot - a squidgy robot

Actually you are fair game as an atheist by the Quran by all accounts.

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Actually you are fair game as an atheist by the Quran by all accounts.

Do please be as good as to give us a timeline for our conversion to the faith of the prophet.

Badly Drunk Boy

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i ask this question in light of a recent article i spotted.
do you agree with the journalist's supposition, and do you care?

like many you may think it's a good thing and to be welcomed.



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/christianity-is-being-eroded-and-despised-irelands-moral-minority-rise-up-37700374.html

I don't care enough to read the article you suggested without telling us what article was actually about or what you thought about it yourself.

skooterblue2

Odhinn wrote: »

Do please be as good as to give us a timeline for our conversion to the faith of the prophet.

Havent worked it out yet but as the Birth rates of the native Irish are less than 1.8 and our new "Irish" are about 4-5 then allowing for 50k a year it wont be long happening. The good new for me is I will be long gone out of the country by then.

Danzy

skooterblue2 wrote: »

REally? Have you seen all mosques planned and Baptist churches in Industrial estates? Its not going to end well I am telling for one crowd or the other

3 of the most murderous societies In history, probably the top 3 for people killed in short periods are Genghis Khans Khanate, Mao's China and the USSR in is first 30 years.

The first was very tolerant of diverse religions and those with none, while the last two were strictly atheist.

It could be argued that they all replaced religion with a messianic vision of their own.

Things won't change much of religion disappeared, possible to imagine it being bloody for a while as something else replaced it.

We are already seeing a replacement of religion for many already. The righteousness in many activists today shows were the modern version of Jesuits ended up.

skooterblue2

Sofiztikated wrote: »

What values are these now?

Being "Christian" and judging all those around you?

Which of the 10 commandments do you object to?

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Havent worked it out yet but as the Birth rates of the native Irish are less than 1.8 and our new "Irish" are about 4-5 then allowing for 50k a year it wont be long happening. The good new for me is I will be long gone out of the country by then.

So you haven't a bogs notion.

gctest50

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Which of the 10 commandments do you object to?

What now ? oh the whole story book about an excuse due to an extra-martial affair that got out of hand ?

Was that the one with unicorns or was that the other one ?

hatrickpatrick

"Our" Christian values? Not my generation's, for sure.

StopWatch

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Sofiztikated wrote: »

What values are these now?

Being "Christian" and judging all those around you?

Which of the 10 commandments do you object to?

You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall make no idols.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Keep the Sabbath day holy.

I object to those.

I mean....all of those seem a bit pointless, so there's a start.
I am anti murder,
I like to respect my folks, but others might have awful, abusive parents, so fcuk that. That's their call.
Adultery....not great, but who am I to judge.
My neighbors and I are all good.

tmh106

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Multi culturalism and its benefits, Discuss for 200.

If the alternative is a Ireland full of people with your world view then I'd say the benefits are substantial.
You're living in the wrong decade - 1950s Ireland would have been right up your street .

hatrickpatrick

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Which of the 10 commandments do you object to?

None of the ten commandments say anything at all about consensual, non-cheating sexuality, but modern Catholicism is utterly obsessed with it in a way which completely f*cked up entire generations of people.

If the "Christian" value that victimless crime is a valid ideological concept gets eradicated from public life, it's well worth celebrating.

skooterblue2

Odhinn wrote: »

So you haven't a bogs notion.

Tell me how I can predict it? We seem to be having an unchecked amount of refugees entering Ireland. More with this new UN Agenda, like Pokemon where we gotta take em all. Then I predict a further drop in native Irish birthrates.

A more interesting thing I was talking about with a colleague is the recent drop in the rat population. This is a very dangerous sign of things to come. Rats can see three generations in 3-4 months due to the fact they can conceive while lactating. Environmental disasters could slow the population down dramatically.

skooterblue2

tmh106 wrote: »

If the alternative is a Ireland full of people with your world view then I'd say the benefits are substantial.
You're living in the wrong decade - 1950s Ireland would have been right up your street .

Nah I think I would have been more at home in the 1960's UK. Love all that culture. The new meaning of "culture" gives me the shudders.

skooterblue2

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

"Our" Christian values? Not my generation's, for sure.

Your generation cant start a lawn mower, let alone a revolution.

up for anything

Here we go again. A new reg who practically spits out a couple of teeth every time he says the word liberal. :rolleyes:

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Tell me how I can predict it?

You can't, which is my point.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

We seem to be having an unchecked amount of refugees entering Ireland. More with this new UN Agenda, like Pokemon where we gotta take em all. Then I predict a further drop in native Irish birthrates.

You think seeing refugees will put us off gettin the ride now?


I'm not going down the rat rabbithole.

skooterblue2

StopWatch wrote: »

You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall make no idols.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Keep the Sabbath day holy.

I object to those.

Every try having two jobs?
Every build someone up that they were infallible?
Ever see those sad saps working 7 days a week? no family time? no time to rest? My girlfriend at the time didnt get it, now she both mentally and physically burnt out working in retail. She gets it now. She now understand Sarcadian rhythms, daylight savings time and family time. Time for work rest and play.

eagle eye

I'm not religious. I don't like people that get in your face about God.
What I don't like even more are those that get in your face about their hate of religion.