are our Catholic/Christian values being brushed aside?

Odhinn

rob316 wrote: »

How would that happen? It's an even more backwards religion.

In the same way that Polish people in the state make you less Irish and more foriegn, so the presence of Muslims make you less catholic and more muslim.

bnt

eagle eye wrote: »

Whether you've met one or not they are out there and loads of them.
Surely you'd agree that they are as bad as the over zealous religious people?

No, because atheism is not about telling people what they can and can't do. Secularism is about keeping religion out of government, not telling people that they can't have their private religion if they want to. You have the right to your religion, and atheists have the right to ignore your religion - unless, that is, there are laws that are based on religious views rather than what is right for everyone.

TheIrishGrover

Haven't clicked on the clickbait link (which is basically what the independent is these days). But I was raised a Catholic and then grew out of it.

I cannot stand the term "Christian Values" Or any "insert-religion Values". As an athiest I just believe in one commandment: Don't be a dick. So if the christian values that are being brushed aside involve being a dick to women, homosexuals, non christians, people with mental issues etc, then great!

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Whether you've met one or not they are out there and loads of them.
Surely you'd agree that they are as bad as the over zealous religious people?

Again never met one, and the ones I know are very tolerant which is more than I can say for a couple of devout Christians I know and others who claim to be Christians.

Give me an example or two and I'll take a look.

batgoat

DS86DS wrote: »

See how much Freedom of Association you or your children will have when Islam becomes the dominant ideology.

But that's realistically not going to happen any time soon.

B.A._Baracus

Be it religion stays or be it all religion goes. Doesn't make any difference.
Instead of some nut job doing an evil act because his "god told him to" it will just be some other nutter doing the same because of his politics or whatever.

That's what annoys me about some athiests. Their, well, downright hatred for religion blinds them Like it'll all be sunshine and rainbows without religion. nah it's not that certain people are evil it's all religions fault :pac:

eagle eye

mad muffin wrote:

Read my lips… n o r e l i g i o n.

Exactly like the religious nut.

eagle eye

bnt wrote:

No, because atheism is not about telling people what they can and can't do. Secularism is about keeping religion out of government, not telling people that they can't have their private religion if they want to. You have the right to your religion, and atheists have the right to ignore your religion - unless, that is, there are laws that are based on religious views rather than what is right for everyone.

Mad Muffin seems to be of the ilk I'm talking about.
As for secularism, if the majority of electorate are Roman Catholic and favour having a religious law then we will have one. That's how democracy works.
In time it will change because more and more people are leaving religion.

eagle eye

mad muffin wrote:

No religion period. You could never convince me that religion has ever been a force for good.

mad muffin wrote:

Also, I can understand people believing in “gods†thousands of years ago, when they weren’t enlightened. Not now.

mad muffin wrote:

I’d sooner believe that we are ruled by lizard overlords than “godâ€.

mad muffin wrote:

Read my lips… n o r e l i g i o n.

DubInMeath wrote:

Give me an example or two and I'll take a look.

Look above.

realitykeeper

The six people who I most admire (including deceased people) are Pope John Paul II, Mother Teresa of Kulkata (Formerly Calcutta), Mahatma Gandhi, The Dalai Lama, Mikhail Gorbachev and President Paul Kagame of Rwanda. In Rwanda they have a National Prayer Breakfast which is a wonderful idea in my opinion. This year the theme is: Instilling Godly Values in Leadership as shown in this video (It is in Kinyarwanda). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmEcCXh_x_w Ireland should get back to God in a hurry because even if the second coming of Christ was not imminent, our individual lives are short we must repent and prepare our souls for judgement.

hill16bhoy

sk8erboii wrote: »

Conservatives: Multiculturalism and migration is bad!
Also conservatives: *Worships foreign religion based in Rome and culturally appropriated from the Middle East*

Christianity brought us slavery, genocide and paedophilia.

We need to go back to good old fashioned Irish Pagan values!

eagle eye

hill16bhoy wrote:

Christianity brought us slavery, genocide and paedophilia.

Are you saying that none of this things happened before Christianity? I think you need to check your history books.

hill16bhoy wrote:

We need to go back to good old fashioned Irish Pagan values!

What do you know about Paganism. You are saying that there wasn't slavery, genocide or paedophilia before Christianity which leads me to believe you don't have a clue about Paganism.

mad muffin

eagle eye wrote: »

Exactly like the religious nut.

eagle eye wrote: »

Mad Muffin seems to be of the ilk I'm talking about.
As for secularism, if the majority of electorate are Roman Catholic and favour having a religious law then we will have one. That's how democracy works.
In time it will change because more and more people are leaving religion.

eagle eye wrote: »

Look above.

God help you all…

hill16bhoy

eagle eye wrote: »

Are you saying that none of this things happened before Christianity? I think you need to check your history books.


What do you know about Paganism. You are saying that there wasn't slavery, genocide or paedophilia before Christianity which leads me to believe you don't have a clue about Paganism.

You're right. I don't have much of a clue about Paganism.

But I know Paganism was Irish before Christianity ever was.

"Our values", or something something.

Of course then you could go back to whatever was there before Paganism, and whatever was there before that, and demand those "cultural values", whatever they were.

These "cultural values" arguments are some load of utter rot.

VeryTerry

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Well the Average Irish family cant afford to buy their own house. We are being told that Homelessness in Ireland is going to be Normal. I am educated and have two professions much in demand. There is no value to working when the fat of what you earn get taken in tax and you wont be able to retire to well past 75 at the rate we are going. You dont think I want hang around for that?

You should give Dubai a go. You can keep all your wages.

applehunter

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

To assist in allaying your confusion I can offer my own experiences if it helps.

I for one would like to wake up tomorrow morning and never come up against, discuss, or bother with "Religion" ever again. I am simply... not.... let.

There are many things I am personally interested in and/or very active in. Education of children is one. Science is another. Medicine another. Politics. Issues of ethics and morality. Sexuality, sexual issues, sexual health are on the list. Some issues around law. Human psychology. It is a long enough list, and it goes on.

In every single one of those, bar none, I am confronted by the faithful using their belief in god as a first level premise upon which second level premise arguments in those fields are based.

Take the analogy I use often. I think the kind of trousers worn by people in golf clubs are patently ridiculous. They look comical to me, unwieldy, obscene checkered nonsense with color choices that are an offense to my eyes.

Do I kick in their door demanding they stop wearing this awful pants? No. I do not. Never. Ever. I simply have no reason to.

SHOULD such people suddenly leave their club houses not just wearing those pants but demanding everyone else wear them too, or throwing out threats against peoples well being and happiness, or petitioning for laws that forbid commentary from non-wearers of the pants about those pants..... then I very much would not only resist their efforts, but ALSO offer them discourse on just how ridiculous their pants are.

Similarly if people wanted to pray at home, or go to their club houses that are called churches, and enjoy wearing their mental golf pants in this way, I simply would not have issue with them. At all. Ever. But this is not what they do. They instead walk into our halls of power, education and science and make the kind of noises that simply leave me unable to do anything but respond.

Especially when some of the noises they make on the subject genuinely does lead to a reduction in human well being. Such as the preaching of the sinful use of condoms in AIDS ravaged countries or the "soul enters the zygote at conception" style ideas that so heavily permeate our discourse on everything from abortion or medical stem cell research and treatments.

Golf pants.

You're a ****ing bore.

If there were a "thanks"/sentence you would be last on boards.



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hill16bhoy wrote: »

Christianity brought us slavery, genocide and paedophilia.
!

You really need to read some history books.!!

Church on Tuesday

What values?

Being a hypocrite?

Turning the other cheek?

Greed?

Fear?

Oppression?

Some values.