Eir urban FTTH

whatawaster

KN have been working away in Drogheda for the past week, and they've been in our estate for the last couple of days.

Got a letter in the door from KN saying they are "installing a new fibre infrastructure service route on behalf of Openeir"

"The work will be carried out by feeding fiber through existing EIR ducts. No new ducting will need to be laid . . ."

"Work will commence from November 2019"

Is this FTTH? And given they are working in my estate at the moment, should I expect this product to be available soon at my address?

tsue921i8wljb3

whatawaster wrote: »

KN have been working away in Drogheda for the past week, and they've been in our estate for the last couple of days.

Got a letter in the door from KN saying they are "installing a new fibre infrastructure service route on behalf of Openeir"

"The work will be carried out by feeding fiber through existing EIR ducts. No new ducting will need to be laid . . ."

"Work will commence from November 2019"

Is this FTTH? And given they are working in my estate at the moment, should I expect this product to be available soon at my address?

Yes it is FTTH. I'd expect it would be some time in the new year before you can order. They might even send you another letter when it's available though you should regularly check your Eircode here to see availability

http://www.airwire.ie/avail

KOR101

whatawaster wrote: »

KN have been working away in Drogheda for the past week, and they've been in our estate for the last couple of days.

Got a letter in the door from KN saying they are "installing a new fibre infrastructure service route on behalf of Openeir"

"The work will be carried out by feeding fiber through existing EIR ducts. No new ducting will need to be laid . . ."

"Work will commence from November 2019"

Is this FTTH? And given they are working in my estate at the moment, should I expect this product to be available soon at my address?

Can't be 100% sure, but I would guess yes.

Do you already have FTTC? If so, then it is certainly FTTH.

whatawaster

KOR101 wrote: »

Can't be 100% sure, but I would guess yes.

Do you already have FTTC? If so, then it is certainly FTTH.

I don't know if I have FTTC - line checker just says up to 30mbs is available.

Virgin did our estate a few years ago so I have 300mbs with them, so I'm not exactly in need of faster broadband, but I'd like to be able to avail of sky / eir bundles, or at least have the option.

Marlow

whatawaster wrote: »

I don't know if I have FTTC - line checker just says up to 30mbs is available.

Anything above 24 Mbit/s is FTTC/VDSL. And the Airwire checker will only tell you about VDSL/FTTC and FTTH as they do not do any of the old tech copper products.

/M

tsue921i8wljb3

Some indicative dates for areas in the first phases of the IFN. Note that the dates given are the earliest proposed dates for the first premises going live in these areas. It does not necessarily mean that all premises will be live on these dates.

20/01/2020|01/04/2020
Balbriggan|Ballinrobe
Balgriffin|Ballyshannon
Ballybunion|Ballymote
Barna|Castleconnell
Boyle|Cahir
Cahir|Castleisland
Carndonagh|Crosshaven
Carrick-on-Shannon|Cahirciveen
Castletroy|Crossagalla
Claremorris|Drogheda
Clonakilty|Tullyallen
Collooney|Drogheda AEH
Coolock|Drogheda Colpe Cross
Dunshaughlin|Deepforde
Galway|Dunmanway
Kilcock|Kinnegad
Kilkenny|Lucan Ballydowd
Kilrush|Quaker Rd
Letterkenny|Sixmilebridge
Midelton|Templemore
Moate|Tuam
Nenagh|
Portlaoise|
Rathkeale|
Ratoath|
Rochestown|
Santry|
Tallaght|

white_westie

Quick question re the IFN list - if an area is listed, will Eir be the only ISP that you can sign up with?

Gonzo

white_westie wrote: »

Quick question re the IFN list - if an area is listed, will Eir be the only ISP that you can sign up with?

it would have the same providers that the Eir Rural FTTH areas have. It's the exact same service/network.

tsue921i8wljb3

white_westie wrote: »

Quick question re the IFN list - if an area is listed, will Eir be the only ISP that you can sign up with?

No. It's an open access network. Most of these companies would sell on it:

https://fibrerollout.ie/rollout-map/where-to-buy/

AidenL

KN are busily installing in Ballyshannon at the moment, they seem to have vans everywhere.

Marlow

AidenL wrote: »

KN are busily installing in Ballyshannon at the moment, they seem to have vans everywhere.

That could still be SIRO. KN has done some of their builds and Ballyshannon is one of the planned areas.

/M

AidenL

Marlow wrote: »

That could still be SIRO. KN has done some of their builds and Ballyshannon is one of the planned areas.

/M

I'd be glad to see Siro, and Id switch to them when they arrive. Nicer package, better price also.

I presumed it was Eir who was having the works done when I saw the April live date posted earlier.

AidenL

Marlow wrote: »

That could still be SIRO. KN has done some of their builds and Ballyshannon is one of the planned areas.

/M

Eir vans there this evening, so its definitely them it appears.

Ush1

Will Eir still leave the old copper lines or will the fibre "replace the copper" in terms of physically and also what's on offer from providers?

Marlow

Ush1 wrote: »

Will Eir still leave the old copper lines or will the fibre "replace the copper" in terms of physically and also what's on offer from providers?

If you have copper already, they can't remove it.

If you don't have copper, they're not going to install it anymore, where they can avoid it.

/M

Ush1

Marlow wrote: »

If you have copper already, they can't remove it.

If you don't have copper, they're not going to install it anymore, where they can avoid it.

/M

Thanks. So there is copper there, would they stop offering internet over the copper line once the fiber is there?

Marlow

Ush1 wrote: »

Thanks. So there is copper there, would they stop offering internet over the copper line once the fiber is there?

Only if there is no capacity. As in all ports allocated.

The copper products are currently cheaper than fibre, so there is still a market for them, if you don't need the speed.

/M

Airwire: MartinL

AidenL wrote: »

KN are busily installing in Ballyshannon at the moment, they seem to have vans everywhere.

AidenL wrote: »

Eir vans there this evening, so its definitely them it appears.

I can confirm, that 1800 premises in Ballyshannon will be enabled under the IFN. This is expected to be ready in April 2020 for that area.

It has no impact on premises under the 300k. It's VDSL and ADSL served premises that are being enabled with FTTH now.

The Cush

Eircom seeking approval from Comreg to deploy 10 Gbit/s symmetric-capable XGS-PON FTTH from Jan 2020 on its urban IFN.

This product offering will mirror the speeds of Eircom’s existing FTTH platform and permit speeds of up to 1 Gb/s. It is planned that this will initially be made available in three “profiles” of 150Mb/s, 300Mb/s and 1Gb/s.

https://www.comreg.ie/publication-download/eircoms-deployment-of-ifn-crd-551-1

The Cush

IFN Phase 1 launching Jan 2020.

Appendix III of the proposed new NGA Technical Handbook describes the ONT Connection Model for XGS-PON - https://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6309https://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6309

Huawei HN8250Ts XGS-PON bridging type ONT
10G LAN port 5 is the demarcation point
Split ratio 1:64 per OLT port
Existing three GPON “profiles” of 150Mb/s, 300Mb/s and 1Gb/s will be used initially

KOR101

The Cush wrote: »

IFN Phase 1 launching Jan 2020.

Appendix III of the proposed new NGA Technical Handbook describes the ONT Connection Model for XGS-PON - https://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6309https://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6309

Huawei HN8250Ts XGS-PON bridging type ONT
10G LAN port 5 is the demarcation point
Split ratio 1:64 per OLT port
Existing three GPON “profiles” of 150Mb/s, 300Mb/s and 1Gb/s will be used initially

What is the existing system that Eir uses? I think I recall SIRO is 2.5Gb/s split 1:32. Or, have I got that wrong too?

The Cush

KOR101 wrote: »

What is the existing system that Eir uses?

GPON 1:32 split

Gonzo

I take it both the rural FTTH and urban IFN will be the same, both should also be upgradable to beyond 1 gig at the same time too using the same profiles across the board.

Varik

Gonzo wrote: »

I take it both the rural FTTH and urban IFN will be the same, both should also be upgradable to beyond 1 gig at the same time too using the same profiles across the board.

Wouldn't say so.

They're going to leave the rural as long as they can after putting it in so relatively recently.

The Cush

Gonzo wrote: »

I take it both the rural FTTH and urban IFN will be the same, both should also be upgradable to beyond 1 gig at the same time too using the same profiles across the board.

They won't be the same unless they replace existing GPON ONT and OLT card in the exchange, which I assume is highly unlikely based on cost alone.

tuxy

I take it that it will be probable it would happen some time in the distant future?

Marlow

KOR101 wrote: »

What is the existing system that Eir uses? I think I recall SIRO is 2.5Gb/s split 1:32. Or, have I got that wrong too?

Same for OpenEir and SIRO. And yes: 1:32 split, 2.5Gbit/s down, 1.25Gbit/s up.

SIRO have been testing 10 Gbit/s symmetric on the same infrastructure as their GPON. They can deploy it side by side.

/M

KOR101

It does seem messy for EIR to be looking for approval from Jan 2020, unless they have already started that programme with XGS-PON regardsless.

Is the splitting to 1:64 about network distances? Rural distances between OLT and ONU (?) being much greater than urban ones.

Gonzo

tuxy wrote: »

I take it that it will be probable it would happen some time in the distant future?

I'd imagine they would. Speeds of more than 1 gig won't be needed for a few more years at least. Hopefully they will upgrade some of the rural routes at the same time as the urban ones, but this is probably a few years away from happening. I've a feeling they would upgrade rural routes beside major towns within 2 or 3km fairly quickly, especially if there is decent uptake and population in the area.

Rural routes far out of town more than 6 or 7km with only a few houses would probably be upgraded at a later date.

Airwire: MartinL

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

The update includes approx 21k new lines available in January as part of the IFN

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail

Bluehair

Showing 21st Jan for me now. Looking at the 300mb offering, what’s the router and install fee and how long to get up and running do you think?

Gonzo

some homes in the Supple Park area of Dunshaughlin also passing for FTTH in time for January.

tuxy

Bluehair wrote: »

Showing 21st Jan for me now. Looking at the 300mb offering, what’s the router and install fee and how long to get up and running do you think?

With no delays you could possible get someone out to you one week from the live date. Prices are different for every provider.

Airwire: MartinL

Bluehair wrote: »

Showing 21st Jan for me now. Looking at the 300mb offering, what’s the router and install fee and how long to get up and running do you think?

Our pricing can be found at http://airwire.ie/ftth

What we typically see, is that once the order is placed and you are past the ready for order date, it takes about 4-5 work days to get an engineer out.

If there are no complications, you will be up and running on that day. I can not speak for other providers.

Varik

Anywhere online with a list of place being added, not checking for a particular house/postcode just general areas.

shanec1928

Varik wrote: »

Anywhere online with a list of place being added, not checking for a particular house/postcode just general areas.

be interested in this to see if the home house is on it, as can only get vdsl or virgin. Yet siro is across the road.

Gonzo

shanec1928 wrote: »

be interested in this to see if the home house is on it, as can only get vdsl or virgin. Yet siro is across the road.

input the homes Eircode into Airwire's online checker and you'll know for sure.

Marlow

The IFN will replace most of the now VDSL covered premises with FTTH, but it's not going to happen overnight. It will take years.

I doubt OpenEIR will provide a map like with the 300k. So something like the Airwire Eircode checker is probably the nearest you get to checking things. That's updated weekly.

Even the likes of SIRO pulled their maps eventually and only tell you county and city/town/village now + that you can check on eircode.

/M

shanec1928

Gonzo wrote: »

input the homes Eircode into Airwire's online checker and you'll know for sure.

I have been. Be nice to see some sort of a plan. So could advise stick with vm and there annual price changes for x amount then you have some options available.

Airwire: MartinL

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail

Paul Tergat

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail

Would it be normal for an eircode (new build estate) that was down as FTTH to now show as being VDSL only?

Airwire: MartinL

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail

Airwire: MartinL

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Would it be normal for an eircode (new build estate) that was down as FTTH to now show as being VDSL only?

Only if somebody has made a mess of OpenEIRs database for one or maybe a subset of premises .. which unfortunately is not uncommon. Often it's the case that the eircode has become disassociated with the premise, that has the Eircode record.

PixelTrawler

Hi Airwire

Have you any information on the rollout in Clonsilla, Dublin?
KN ran fibre around the estate here (Portersgate) in mid december.

Thanks

Airwire: MartinL

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail

Airwire: MartinL

PixelTrawler wrote: »

Hi Airwire

Have you any information on the rollout in Clonsilla, Dublin?
KN ran fibre around the estate here (Portersgate) in mid december.

Thanks

The only specific information, that we get, is when the premises become available. So your best bet is to keep checking our availability checker.

It gets updated every week.

KOR101

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

The only specific information, that we get, is when the premises become available. So your best bet is to keep checking our availability checker.

It gets updated every week.

Hi Martin.

It would be very interesting to see figures and locations for this rollout. It's a 5 year programme, so it would be great to see where they are currently working.

Paul Tergat

Airwire: MartinL wrote: »

The only specific information, that we get, is when the premises become available. So your best bet is to keep checking our availability checker.

It gets updated every week.

Hi Martin, is there anyway you can follow up with openeir with me seeing as you at least get a weekly update from them? With no dish allowed, no phone lines built and no ftth in my new build estate I am without broadband and providers don't seem bothered about pushing on it - I don't include airwire in that statement by the way, at the very least you do a great job on here helping people out.

Thanks

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Eircom seeking approval from Comreg to deploy 10 Gbit/s symmetric-capable XGS-PON FTTH from Jan 2020 on its urban IFN.

https://www.comreg.ie/publication-download/eircoms-deployment-of-ifn-crd-551-1

ComReg approval of Eircom development CRD 551.1

https://www.comreg.ie/publication/comreg-approval-of-eircom-development-crd-551-1

Airwire: MartinL

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail