Boy 2 falls down 110 metre well in Malaga

BorneTobyWilde

Seems they are vacuuming the well in that footage, clearing debris bit by bit. I just thought there would be a way to somehow suck the complete well out.

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Such a shame there wasn’t debris there to stop him falling as far as he did. It doesn’t bear thinking about. I really hope that he’s down there and that he’ll be taken out alive but if he isn’t, I hope it was quick and he wasn’t hurt or scared for long.

iamwhoiam

shamrock55 wrote: »

She obviously wasn't watching him then or she would have seen the hole herself

Oh give over for heaven sake . Maybe it was covered by growth . When watching children you don't always have your eyes on the ground anyway .

bilbot79

shamrock55 wrote: »

Where were the parents when he fell in, were they 10/20 ft away or right beside him or what, were they just out for a walk together, I just find it very odd that a 2yr old would be let roam freely in that rough looking terrain you'd at least be holding his hand if out for a little stroll, they hardly put him down there did they cos you'd never know with people unfortunatly

I don't think you can plan for random 25cm Wells that are 100ft deep and left uncovered. It's not like they took their toddler for a walk on a glacier and ignored the crevasse.

malinheader

shamrock55 wrote: »

She obviously wasn't watching him then or she would have seen the hole herself

I'm sure the parents are going to find it hard enough to get over this,if they do at all. And I'm sure they will have to listen to plenty of perfect people who think they should of done this or that. Looking at the size of the hole to Me its just a freak tragic accident . God help them parents.

SusieBlue

shamrock55 wrote: »

Have you seen the terrain, I'll be honest and say I wouldn't let a 2yr old wonder around there on their own, we still don't know how far away the parents were

....Which you say with the luxury of both hindsight and not actually being in the situation yourself.

Very easy to look in as an outsider and make all sorts of high horse type proclamations about what you would or wouldn’t do.
Those parents are not at fault, they are going through the worst pain imaginable right now so maybe a bit of consideration and compassion instead of making armchair assumptions about their parenting skills wouldn’t go amiss.

Spannerplank

Toots wrote: »

Forget about suing, they should be brought up on criminal charges.

Except it's very difficult to state what crime has been committed. You cant just invent a crime to address an outcome you don't like.

pah

shamrock55 wrote: »

She obviously wasn't watching him then or she would have seen the hole herself

Your inability to grasp how quickly this probably happened is baffling TBH.

Spannerplank

shamrock55 wrote: »

Where were the parents when he fell in, were they 10/20 ft away or right beside him or what, were they just out for a walk together, I just find it very odd that a 2yr old would be let roam freely in that rough looking terrain you'd at least be holding his hand if out for a little stroll, they hardly put him down there did they cos you'd never know with people unfortunatly

Jesus, would you listen to this crap. Contemptible victim blaming.

Spannerplank

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Could the hole not have been vacuumed out using a giant vacuum truck on day one!






If possible it would be quick could catch him in net at other end.

What planet are you living on?
Industrial suction. Yeah, along with rocks and mud and water bits of the kid will come up piece by piece. Stick him back together after that?

bilbot79

Spannerplank wrote: »

What planet are you living on?
Industrial suction. Yeah, along with rocks and mud and water bits of the kid will come up piece by piece. Stick him back together after that?

Sounds mental but given that's he's currently 99% likely to be dead, it would have given him a better chance

Spannerplank

shamrock55 wrote: »

Have you seen the terrain, I'll be honest and say I wouldn't let a 2yr old wonder around there on their own, we still don't know how far away the parents were

And if it was a pristine manicured grass with some bushes here and there would you let a child run around and have fun within sight?

More than likely. Except unfortunately the child disturbs a hidden wasp nest and gets stung to death in seconds.

All your fault right?

Spannerplank

bilbot79 wrote: »

Sounds mental but given that's he's currently 99% likely to be dead, it would have given him a better chance

The dumbness behind this is flabbergasting.
So there's a very slim chance that he's alive and you suggest employing a recovery procedure that will definitely kill him?

Here's a simple question. If you were in charge of the rescue BUT if your recommendation resulted in killing the child and your prosecution would you be so quick to embark on this inane Hollywood endeavour?

spakman

shamrock55 wrote: »

SusieBlue wrote: »

Parents should be able to let their children walk freely without fearing their child will fall down a 350ft, 25cm unmarked hole.

This is a freak accident and the parents were in no way negligent or responsible for what has happened their poor child.

Have you seen the terrain, I'll be honest and say I wouldn't let a 2yr old wonder around there on their own, we still don't know how far away the parents were

You're either a good WUM or a complete idiot.

BorneTobyWilde

Spannerplank wrote: »

What planet are you living on?
Industrial suction. Yeah, along with rocks and mud and water bits of the kid will come up piece by piece. Stick him back together after that?

I thought a vacuum just sucks, it doesn't shred and blend. Not saying it's possible, I just thought if it was possible to create a vacuum strong enough to lift what was in hole that he'd come out with it, maybe cut and bruised but alive, if it was done on day 1 that is.

Mike9832

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I thought a vacuum just sucks, it doesn't shred and blend. Not saying it's possible, I just thought if it was possible to create a vacuum strong enough to lift what was in hole that he'd come out with it, maybe cut and bruised but alive, if it was done on day 1 that is.

You'd think with all the modern tech they would have done better for the little boy alright

4 days and they are still no closer, they are gonna start drilling again tomorrow, sounds like a pure disaster

We really over rate our abilities and tech, in situations like this it really shows up

Poor little baby, feel my heart aching reading his situation

bilbot79

Spannerplank wrote: »

The dumbness behind this is flabbergasting.
So there's a very slim chance that he's alive and you suggest employing a recovery procedure that will definitely kill him?

Here's a simple question. If you were in charge of the rescue BUT if your recommendation resulted in killing the child and your prosecution would you be so quick to embark on this inane Hollywood endeavour?

Oh no, a boisterous internet person.

I will hide behind the curtains and hope he doesn't see my toes pointing out.

pah

bilbot79 wrote: »

Oh no, a boisterous internet person.

I will hide behind the curtains and hope he doesn't see my toes pointing out.

Good answer :rolleyes:

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

malinheader wrote: »

I'm sure the parents are going to find it hard enough to get over this,if they do at all. And I'm sure they will have to listen to plenty of perfect people who think they should of done this or that. Looking at the size of the hole to Me its just a freak tragic accident . God help them parents.

My friend who is a mother is driven demented by ‘Should-ers’ as she calls them. People who never hesitate to pontificate over some parenting thing they think she is doing wrong. And many of them aren’t even parents.

I remember well people even criticising James Bulger’s mother, Denise. She just took her eyes off him to pay for her purchases in a butcher shop, that was it. A very normal thing to do that every parent has probably done countless times. And just think what that poor woman was going through - dealing with the brutal murder of her son - and some holier-than-thous out there still took the opportunity to pontificate on her apparent lack of parenting skills.

retro:electro

I’m sure it’s nothing the parents haven’t tortured themselves over since he fell, and nothing they won’t feel guilty and torment themselves over for the remainder of their lives. I don’t see how they are even 1% at fault. Giant holes in the earth’s surface generally aren’t all that common. You’d wonder do people ever read the shlte they post on here and think Jesus I’m an awful gobshlte. Cos they should.

spurious

Mike9832 wrote: »

You'd think with all the modern tech they would have done better for the little boy alright

4 days and they are still no closer, they are gonna start drilling again tomorrow, sounds like a pure disaster

We really over rate our abilities and tech, in situations like this it really shows up

Poor little baby, feel my heart aching reading his situation

I suppose they have to keep in mind however slim a chance there is that he is alive, there IS a chance and have to move earth etc. carefully. I remember when they were going after Jessica McClure it took days.
They could hear her though. This poor little guy hasn't been making any noise that I have seen reported, other than initially. His poor father having heard his screams. How terrible, and to have lost another child already. It doesn't bear thinking about.

JuanJose

Mike9832 wrote: »

If the well was not covered and bolted down, whoever is responsible should be doing jail time

According to Spanish television news, the responsibility for wells such as this one lies with, firstly, the landowner (I'm open to correction but I believe the tragedy took place on a farm belonging to the toddler's family) and, secondly, the authority responsible for inspecting such wells.

Engineers maintain that the work being done opening up parallel wells in the last few days would normally take months.

TheBoyConor

Somewhat of a tangent but I'm quite sure getting one of these companies to tunnel or drill down another shaft to get the little boy costs a staggering amount, especially given the short notice and urgent nature of the work. Who pays the bill for the work? Would the insurers of the the liable parties be the ones to pay the tab? Or the emergency rescue services?

TheBoyConor

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Somewhat of a tangent but I'm quite sure getting one of these companies to tunnel or drill down another shaft to get the little boy costs a staggering amount, especially given the short notice and urgent nature of the work. Who pays the bill for the work? Would the insurers of the the liable parties be the ones to pay the tab? Or the emergency rescue services?

Who gives a ****?

frash

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Who gives a ****?

He's just being curious :rolleyes:

pollemon

Gringo180 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2019/0114/1023158-spain-boy-well/


Having a child around this age this is just an absolute horror story to read, heartbreaking for the family of the young lad who had recently lost another child in tragic circumstances.

The well was just 25cm in diameter. Having been in Spain before I think there health and safety with big drops is absolutely appalling ie little or no fencing to stop people falling to what could be a fatal injury.

Being from Spain I can say you have no idea about what are you talking about

frash

Last minute: the georadar finds a gap of 15 meters under the plug of the well in which Julen is and increases the hopes of finding him alive
According to experts, this space would be enough for the child trapped in the well of Totalán could be there and gives hope to find him alive

live updates:
https://www.lavanguardia.com/sucesos/20190118/454191862539/nino-pozo-julen-rescate-malaga-totalan-en-directo.html

malinheader

frash wrote: »

Last minute: the georadar finds a gap of 15 meters under the plug of the well in which Julen is and increases the hopes of finding him alive
According to experts, this space would be enough for the child trapped in the well of Totalán could be there and gives hope to find him alive

live updates:
https://www.lavanguardia.com/sucesos/20190118/454191862539/nino-pozo-julen-rescate-malaga-totalan-en-directo.html

This will be a miracle if this wee fella survives. Hopefully so.

bucketybuck

PCros wrote: »

This happened on land owned by a family member and they were setting up for a picnic. I believe he was the uncle of the child and apparently he had drilled for water months ago and the well was supposedly covered.

If true then thats amazingly negligent.

Drills a hole 300ft deep, then sets up a picnic beside it and invites family and their toddlers to come and play? What sort of moron does that?

Hotblack Desiato

pollemon wrote: »

Being from Spain I can say you have no idea about what are you talking about

I've seen plenty of stuff like that in Puerto del Carmen in Lanzarote.

You could be walking along a pavement and fall into a 2m drop to a ramp down to a basement car park space, completely unguarded. Same thing with paths with steep drops to the side.

BorneTobyWilde

Hardly inspires confidence.

iamwhoiam

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hardly inspires confidence.

Well context is everything

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BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hardly inspires confidence.

People will really use every single opportunity to dish out criticism. Tell me, what are you doing to help the boy?

It's really pathetic...

BorneTobyWilde

Amber Mysterious Gynecology wrote: »

People will really use every single opportunity to dish out criticism. Tell me, what are you doing to help the boy?

It's really pathetic...

Taking too long and time is precious

iamwhoiam

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Taking too long and time is precious

So what would you in your wisdom have done ?

Spannerplank

iamwhoiam wrote: »

So what would you in your wisdom have done ?

His recommendation was to use a frigging industrial vacuum pump to suck the child up out of the ground.
Never mind that a vacuum pump powerful enough to lift a two year old would also suck all the air out of his lungs, the eyeballs out of his head, etc it's apparently worth a shot.

frash

Last Minute |
The technicians hope to reach
Julen
in about 15 hours as long as there are no new complications in the field

Gringo180

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I've seen plenty of stuff like that in Puerto del Carmen in Lanzarote.

You could be walking along a pavement and fall into a 2m drop to a ramp down to a basement car park space, completely unguarded. Same thing with paths with steep drops to the side.

Ive had the same experience myself. I found it astonishing really how there was no rail on some of the drops I seen over there.


Thats great news about the 15metre gap. Be amazing if the little fella is still alive.

rn

Still very much a recovery, rather than a rescue mission at this stage. The poor lad has been far underground for too long.

Really hope it can be completed in next 24 hours.

JuanJose

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Hardly inspires confidence.

Source of the photo?

Monkeynut

JuanJose wrote: »

Source of the photo?

looks fake, is that a helicopter at the top?

JuanJose

Monkeynut wrote: »

looks fake, is that a helicopter at the top?

Yeah.

The internet. A weird & wonderful place...

Under His Eye

He is dead. Time to face reality folks!

Monkeynut

Under His Eye wrote: »

He is dead. Time to face reality folks!

cold person. so do you have proof or are you just being super duper duper logical.


who knows what, you obviously don't for sure. likely yes but you don't know **** just like me.

Under His Eye

I face reality unlike all the others. He is a dead body at this stage.

Mike9832

Under His Eye wrote: »

I face reality unlike all the others. He is a dead body at this stage.

Can u take your reality elsewhere?

Wanker

Monkeynut

Under His Eye wrote: »

I face reality unlike all the others. He is a dead body at this stage.

ok go stay in your room then. in your 4 walls reality.

you obviously dont have kids. and yes palm isnt going to get pregnant. so you don't inderstand.

bilbot79

Under His Eye wrote: »

I face reality unlike all the others. He is a dead body at this stage.

You think everyone on the thread thinks he's alive and your statement goes against the grain yeah? Really?

Mike9832

Under His Eye wrote: »

When he is discovered dead you can all come back and apologise.

Would you like that?

Under His Eye

It would be setting the record straight.