Gillette | Toxic masculinity advert.

El_Duderino 09

Wibbs wrote: »

Tenderribs wrote: »

whatever helps you sleep at night

I really wouldn't bother T. Waste of time.

Amusing you would pick that tag line since they accused me of attacking masculinity and couldn’t provide an elxample- because I hadn’t actually done it.

Delighted to see you can raise a “meh” for this topic. Wibbed for my amusement as always.

hatrickpatrick

El_Duderino 09

Plopsu wrote: »

No, you didn't but you were using it as part of your definition of whinging. In case you'd forgotten, that's what your first post was about. Maybe you should read back (people can get confused with all the cross posting (not to mention irrelevantly referencing other threads)).
BTW according to the definition of whinging you're using, women who complain about sexual harassment without organising against it are just whinging.

Ah I see your misunderstanding. I used that as an example of whinging which it clearly is.

If a woman loves complaining about sexual harassment and then discouraged others from actually organising or doing something about it, then I’d call them a whinger. Obviously enough.

Cartroubles

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Amusing you would pick that tag line since they accused me of attacking masculinity and couldn’t provide an elxample- because I hadn’t actually done it.

Delighted to see you can raise a “meh” for this topic. Wibbed for my amusement as always.

Any rebuttal to my comment earlier?

El_Duderino 09

Cartroubles wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Amusing you would pick that tag line since they accused me of attacking masculinity and couldn’t provide an elxample- because I hadn’t actually done it.

Delighted to see you can raise a “meh” for this topic. Wibbed for my amusement as always.

Any rebuttal to my comment earlier?

Which one? I’d try to respond to any comment directed to me. Repost it be I’ll address it.

suicide_circus

we can be in no greater danger than when corporations presume to teach us morality. this is deeply dystopian.

RandomName2

I've heard toxic masculinity being defined as men being judgmental of other men, comparing them to a set of principles that they consider to represent 'proper manhood' and that if guys come short of the mark, that they therefore aren't real men.

Using such criteria, the advert itself is very much the definition of toxic masculinity.

A tampon advert which said that women should police each other on hen nights (and other similar social events) to ensure that immodest behavior be stamped out would get an interesting reception, though it would probably do okay in the middle east.

joe40

458 posts of outrage from people that are normally complaining about how easy people get outraged these days.
I don't like the ad and Gillette don't give a shyte about feminism or how men behave. This is all about publicity. Just naked commercialism that all the controversy is just fuelling.

Muckka

cgcsb wrote: »

Perhaps but I think women are by far the biggest enforcers of those rules. I was in the canteen in work the other day and one woman was showing another photos of a party and she quite openly pointed at a photo and said, 'Is that her, the slut? you'd know by the look of her'. I just have never heard men say similar, perhaps I keep quite polite male company. I've seen men in similar situations say that a certain woman was sexy, and be complimentary, but slut shaming seems to be a majority female pursuit.

Nothing wrong with being a slut, but there's something wrong with being called a slut.

I'm probably a right tart myself, but I wouldn't be offended if someone called me one.

RandomName2

joe40 wrote: »

458 posts of outrage from people that are normally complaining about how easy people get outraged these days.
I don't like the ad and Gillette don't give a shyte about feminism or how men behave. This is all about publicity. Just naked commercialism that all the controversy is just fuelling.

Are you saying that there's an orangutan in your bedroom because of palm oil?

Reg'stoy

Jordan Peterson tells men to tidy their bedrooms and gob****es around the world fall to their knees in adoration; advert asking men to (quite literally) be a little nicer and the Peterson fanboys lose their minds.

Sir Oxman

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Jordan Peterson tells men to tidy their bedrooms and gob****es around the world fall to their knees in adoration; advert asking men to (quite literally) be a little nicer and the Peterson fanboys lose their minds.

Who?

joe40

RandomName2 wrote: »

joe40 wrote: »

458 posts of outrage from people that are normally complaining about how easy people get outraged these days.
I don't like the ad and Gillette don't give a shyte about feminism or how men behave. This is all about publicity. Just naked commercialism that all the controversy is just fuelling.

Are you saying that there's an orangutan in your bedroom because of palm oil?

??

conorhal

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Aaaah, that’s not just a boy thing. My sister and I had some vicious scraps that would always just end up with us in a heap laughing on the floor. But the scraps would be serious. Scrapping is normal late childhood and teen close-in-age, living-in-close-quarters sibling tension release. I’d say it’s necessary actually.

All my female friends scrapped similarly with their close-in-age siblings, not always sisters either. It’s not a gendered thing.

And yet only one gender gets singled out as 'toxic' when this happens....


There is now a serious push to define masculinity as a pathology that needs treatment, and given the disturbing number of young boys dosed up on a range medication from Adderall to Xanax, I have to wonder what the hell is going on.

Sonic Youth

Reg'stoy wrote: »

Jordan Peterson tells men to tidy their bedrooms and gob****es around the world fall to their knees in adoration; advert asking men to (quite literally) be a little nicer and the Peterson fanboys lose their minds.

Tidied my room and never looked back. Solid advice.

conorhal

J. Marston wrote: »

No reasonable guy will have a problem with the message.

I think it's just some mega-corporation implying we're mostly all pieces of shít who need to be tut-tutted and finger-wagged at is what annoys some, justifiably

It may seem reasonable, but consumers of media have become very media savvy over the past few years and even ordinary consumers BS detectors have become quite attuned to the difference between being advertised to and propagandized at..... and when you see a weaponized ideologue like Anna Kasparian from The Young Turks shilling for Gillette in that ad... well the warning bells immediately start ringing as people's propaganda detectors start to explode...

Panthro

I'm not going to be lectured by the same company who charge a good high price for their Venus women's razor blades compared to their men's razor blade range counterparts.

If they really wanted to help level the playing field between the genders, they could start by levelling the price differences in their own products.

Or they could just stick to what they know, making shyte razor blades.

El_Duderino 09

Panthro wrote: »

I'm not going to be lectured by the same company who charge a good high price for their Venus women's razor blades compared to their men's razor blade range counterparts.

If they really wanted to help level the playing field between the genders, they could start by levelling the price differences in their own products.

It’s really strange that we’re talking about this as if Gillette has a moral compass. It sells products and puts out ads to help sell those products.

Taking it personally as if Gillette has taken an ideological stance against you or is telling you how to behave, is not sensible.

Littlehorny

J. Marston wrote: »

No reasonable guy will have a problem with the message.

I think it's just some mega-corporation implying we're mostly all pieces of shít who need to be tut-tutted and finger-wagged at is what annoys some, justifiably

Exactly, Gillette are basically saying our customers are ****.

James Brown

Opportunistic crap.
They should have had a transvestite shaving her legs.

Panthro

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It’s really strange that we’re talking about this as if Gillette has a moral compass. It sells products and puts out ads to help sell those products.

Taking it personally as if Gillette has taken an ideological stance against you or is telling you how to behave, is not sensible.

In the overall context do you not think the advert is trying to tell men how to raise their kids?
"boys will be boys"

Kivaro

seamus wrote: »

I see the snowflakes have been triggered.

The irony of that post.
When your next post is:

seamus wrote: »

........

Realistically the people who get worked up about this so-called "attack on men" are only one step removed from the same psychopath who kidnapped that 13 year old girl and kept her trapped for months.

It's clear who's been "triggered".
You do really need to step away from the Internet ............ (looking at your post count) ............... for maybe a year or two.

py2006

This thread highlights that men are still expected to remain silent and put up and shut up.

I

Sonic Youth

lbc2019 wrote: »

Yep, and women face that the whole time. Some men seem to think that they know what the women really means when she says no.

Are you a creepy male feminist or purple haired lesbian?

El_Duderino 09

Accidental post

ancapailldorcha

py2006 wrote: »

This thread highlights that men are still expected to remain silent and put up and shut up.

I

Or that people are allowed to express different opinions.

Sonic Youth

Kivaro wrote: »

The irony of that post.
When your next post is:


It's clear who's been "triggered".
You do really need to step away from the Internet ............ (looking at your post count) ............... for maybe a year or two.

I would suggest it's 'nice guy's' like Seamus who are more likely to be dangerous perverts.

siblers

The DailyEdge have given their backing to the ad, if it gets their poisoinous approval then you know it's ****ing bad

El_Duderino 09

Panthro wrote: »

In the overall context do you not think the advert is trying to tell men how to raise their kids?
"boys will be boys"

it’s trying to sell Gillette.

I don’t see it telling me what to do any more than McDonald’s is telling me to ba da ba ba ba, I’m lovin it. Or any other ad campaign. They’re selling the product not offering ethical philosophy tips.

Do you think it’s telling you how to raise kids? What other ads have you watched and caused you to live your life differently?

Will I Am Not

Gillette blades are sh*te anyway. I have a Mach3 handle and I use the Tesco blades that fit it. They look flimsy but last about 3 times longer and give a better shave for half the price.
They can go and f*ck for that reason alone.