Pete Doherty: Greatest Songwriter of His Generation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAcmdARQ-7Q

Atoms for Peace

oneilla wrote: »

Have a read into the death of Mark Blanco:



https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/3ky4yb/a-death-at-a-pete-doherty-party-is-still-unexplained

Shooting a man in Reno inspired Johnny Cash to pen a classic, therefore why can't Pete push lad off a balcony as inspiration for a murder ballad?

Pa8301

mzungu wrote: »

Ok. I didn't know anything about either of the above (or indeed any of what he gets up to outside of being a regular drug user).

Google Paul Cunniffe. He was an Irish musician who died in similar circumstances to the Blanco fella.

Billy86

I would take Kendrick Lamar and maybe a few others ahead of him as a lyricist, but he's come out with some great ones all the same.

Random timing for the thread though, I've had What Katie Did stuck in my head for the last few days.

ceadaoin.

Pa8301 wrote: »

Google Paul Cunniffe. He was an Irish musician who died in similar circumstances to the Blanco fella.

I didnt know about that. Seems a bit of a coincidence it would happen twice at the same persons home.

irishguitarlad

Lyricist maybe but as a songwriter not a hope. Songwriting involves the structure, the dynamics, harmonies, melodies, the time signature and the lyrics.

andekwarhola

Never really a fan of the music but was thinking of that famous clip of him queuing for an Oasis album when he was a teenager, pre fame.

Always made me laugh. Something so gauche and innocent about it before all the later shenanigans.

irishguitarlad

irishguitarlad wrote: »

Lyricist maybe but as a songwriter not a hope. Songwriting involves the structure, the dynamics, harmonies, melodies, the time signature and the lyrics.

Listen to 'grace/wasteland'..

Captain Red Beard

In a sea of dross he's average.

The Golden Miller

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAcmdARQ-7Q

That off the solo album? Haven't actually listened to it yet. Is it all acoustic?

Rented Mule

AllForIt wrote: »

Elton John is one of the greatest lyricists ever. Even if you don't like his music which I think was great especially in the early 80's, he is one artist who when he sings I pay attention to the lyrics where otherwise I'd ordinarily pay more attention to the melody, which is the most important part of course.

Bernie Taupin wrote all of auld Reg's lyrics.

riclad

I doubt it there,s lots of songwriters who are not famous ,
they write songs for rihanna and other famous singers .
Right now i think its either ed sheeran or Sia ,in terms of songwriters
who can write songs that appear on hit albums , and that have
lyrics that have some meaning and depth.
i know billboard now counts audio streams and youtube views to complile its chart rankings.
I never heard any of his songs but i don,t think hes even in the top 10
songwriters of his generation.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters
i think in 20 years time he will be forgotten.

refusetolose

riclad wrote: »

i think in 20 years time he will be forgotten.

not a chance
if anything he'll be more appreciated as time goes on

The Golden Miller

riclad wrote: »

I doubt it there,s lots of songwriters who are not famous ,
they write songs for rihanna and other famous singers .
Right now i think its either ed sheeran or Sia ,in terms of songwriters
who can write songs that appear on hit albums , and that have
lyrics that have some meaning and depth.
i know billboard now counts audio streams and youtube views to complile its chart rankings.
I never heard any of his songs but i don,t think hes even in the top 10
songwriters of his generation.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters
i think in 20 years time he will be forgotten.

Ffs

VeryTerry

riclad wrote: »

I doubt it there,s lots of songwriters who are not famous ,
they write songs for rihanna and other famous singers .
Right now i think its either ed sheeran or Sia ,in terms of songwriters
who can write songs that appear on hit albums , and that have
lyrics that have some meaning and depth.
i know billboard now counts audio streams and youtube views to complile its chart rankings.
I never heard any of his songs but i don,t think hes even in the top 10
songwriters of his generation.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-songwriters
i think in 20 years time he will be forgotten.

That Rolling Stone list has one singer born in the 80's, 3 born in the 70's and the rest are much older.

Taylor Swift aside (wtf) Rolling Stone don't think anyone under the age of 47 has ever written anything worthy of the top 100. It's about 90% Americans too. **** list.

smurgen

Hyped British nonsense.his lyrics are derivative nonsense. And Alex turner has gone absolutely woeful . He's gone so pretentious and up his own hole it ruined their earlier work for me.

PARlance

Fairly haunting song written in the aftermath of Amy Winehouse' death. Fairly strong lyrics there even if the melody was taken from Pink Floyd, Gunners Dream.

Still not a patch on Cheap Trills by Sia or Galway Girl by Ed however.