Job Path

maurz

I was only referred in December. I have attended 1 appointment with them. Missed 2 further appointments in the last 6 weeks coz l was working. I have a part time job l am on casual dockets. After 1st appointment l went straight to my local social welfare office and demanded to talk to someone in a managerial role. I asked WHY was l referred, and how can they expect me to part take in any courses or job placements with this crowd. I am already doing a course 2 eve a week and a Blended Diploma course (in my own time) and working part-time!! I applied and received a positive response from the social welfare last Nov for a P. T. E. O ( Part Time Education Option) P. T. E. O allows you to do a course and work part time. ( its like you asking the social welfare for permission to do both.) l got no satisfaction from my local SW office. I was just told nothing we can do, you are "chosen at random" for T. Nua, you cannot be taken off it. Unless l find a full time job.

Walter Knight

maurz wrote: »

T. Nua, you cannot be taken off it. Unless l find a full time job.

I wonder if they offered you any full time job, or created any? If not, why do they require you to find anything that does not exist? If they really want everyone to be employed, there is a huge load of opportunities to create jobs. Аt example, they could build up facilities with bicycles inside, generating electricity. This electricity could be used in multiple ways. At example (again) for making aluminum out of clay( normal Irish resource, is not it?), or cement out of rocks( even more obveouse resource :^) ). It`s a very energy demanding process, but hey! How many bycicles could be occupied If unemployment problem is treated as very serious? The aluminum could be sold worldwide as it`s pretty deficit resource… The cement could be used for building up concrete facilities along the Irish coast line for generation more free energy using tides( 5 meters difference between rising tide and falling tide is a huge potential eneggy resourse), to make more aluminum and cement, and provide our houses with cheap electricity that could be used for heating up instead of oil or any other fossils. It`s more than self-sufficient idea, seems to me… :^) And there is an endless amount of them for those who really wants to sort out the problems, instead of making everybody feeling guilty as it always helped to charge and manage… :^)

splinter65

Walter Knight wrote: »

I wonder if they offered you any full time job, or created any? If not, why do they require you to find anything that does not exist? If they really want everyone to be employed, there is a huge load of opportunities to create jobs. Аt example, they could build up facilities with bicycles inside, generating electricity. This electricity could be used in multiple ways. At example (again) for making aluminum out of clay( normal Irish resource, is not it?), or cement out of rocks( even more obveouse resource :^) ). It`s a very energy demanding process, but hey! How many bycicles could be occupied If unemployment problem is treated as very serious? The aluminum could be sold worldwide as it`s pretty deficit resource… The cement could be used for building up concrete facilities along the Irish coast line for generation more free energy using tides( 5 meters difference between rising tide and falling tide is a huge potential eneggy resourse), to make more aluminum and cement, and provide our houses with cheap electricity that could be used for heating up instead of oil or any other fossils. It`s more than self-sufficient idea, seems to me… :^) And there is an endless amount of them for those who really wants to sort out the problems, instead of making everybody feeling guilty as it always helped to charge and manage… :^)

Total genius. I’m telling you this. If we’d had you in charge of the hospital it would be costing us €27.48.

Walter Knight

splinter65 wrote: »

Total genius. I’m telling you this. If we’d had you in charge of the hospital it would be costing us €27.48.

:^))) Just emerge you`ve got a huge amount of cement for cheap price. The road authority could build multiple underground concrete tunnel roads( like in Spanish mountings) in order to get them straight, but not affecting private rights of our landlords and farmers, not touching a single bit of their lands :^) There could not be such a thing as unemployment. We would start struggle for working force worldwide again :^)

Walter Knight

Electric car idea goes wrong way also : ^) ...Wrong Job Path, I would say :^) All electric cars and tracks builders have to implement the battery cartridge idea, so that the flat batteries could be replaced by the charged ones in some form of cartridges, on automatic lines, in a matter of minutes, or even seconds. All batteries should be of a single standard ( although obviously of some different but standardized sizes) and fit for a standard charging station. All petrol battery cartridge stations would always had to have a fully charged and ready for use battery bank supply: flat batteries go for charging, full batteries go for cars/track. Electric car charge delay solved forever :^)... In my dreams so far... :^)
And as you can see they are plenty :^)

Grab All Association

Was talking to a guy in Thurles who was sent to Turas Nua at 65. He is now 66 and on the state pension. They were threatening to cut his SW payments if he wouldn’t accept unpaid work in Roscrea. He doesn’t drive and has no skills apart from farm labouring throughout the years

emilymemily

I wonder what will happen to all the employment advisers? Does this mean they'll be signing on the dole soon? I wonder will they encounter intreo and dole office worker's as condescending and hateful as themselves - What goes around comes around I suppose.

Nokia6230i

emilymemily wrote: »

I wonder what will happen to all the employment advisers? Does this mean they'll be signing on the dole soon? I wonder will they encounter intreo and dole office worker's as condescending and hateful as themselves - What goes around comes around I suppose.

As an employer, if I saw a CV and it'd anything about working for Turas Nua in it, whether as a PEA/PA, Office/Line Manager etc. it'd be getting deleted/binned.

It's employment equivalent of hiring L** S******* of t** L******; pond life scum from a professional perspective.

refusetolose

Nokia6230i wrote: »

As an employer, if I saw a CV and it'd anything about working for Turas Nua in it, whether as a PEA/PA, Office/Line Manager etc. it'd be getting deleted/binned.

It's employment equivalent of hiring L** S******* of t** L******; pond life scum from a professional perspective.

any jobs? lol

Wanderer78

Grab All Association wrote:

Was talking to a guy in Thurles who was sent to Turas Nua at 65. He is now 66 and on the state pension. They were threatening to cut his SW payments if he wouldn’t accept unpaid work in Roscrea. He doesn’t drive and has no skills apart from farm labouring throughout the years

I've come across this situation before as well, absolutely disgraceful

Grab All Association

Grab All Association wrote: »

Was talking to a guy in Thurles who was sent to Turas Nua at 65. He is now 66 and on the state pension. They were threatening to cut his SW payments if he wouldn’t accept unpaid work in Roscrea. He doesn’t drive and has no skills apart from farm labouring throughout the years

Unusual, given info below applicable since 2014, that he was 'sent to Turas Nua at 65' i.e., within the last one to two years.

Since 1 January 2014, if you are claiming Jobseeker’s Benefit or Jobseeker's Allowance and are aged 62 or over, you will no longer be required to engage with the compulsory activation process (see below) and you will not be subject to penalty rates for non-engagement. (All other rules for Jobseeker's Benefit or Allowance still apply.)
However, if you are already engaged in activation (selected and referred for engagement) or if you are currently taking part in an activation programme (such as Community Employment, JobPath or training courses), you are expected to complete the programme. If you leave activation programmes before completion, your jobseeker's payment may be reduced.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/older_jobseekers.html

Grab All Association

Grab All Association wrote: »

Was talking to a guy in Thurles who was sent to Turas Nua at 65. He is now 66 and on the state pension. They were threatening to cut his SW payments if he wouldn’t accept unpaid work in Roscrea. He doesn’t drive and has no skills apart from farm labouring throughout the years

Nonsense. If you’re over 62 years you won’t be asked to do any schemes. Nor do you have to sign on monthly.

splinter65

Grab All Association wrote: »

Was talking to a guy in Thurles who was sent to Turas Nua at 65. He is now 66 and on the state pension. They were threatening to cut his SW payments if he wouldn’t accept unpaid work in Roscrea. He doesn’t drive and has no skills apart from farm labouring throughout the years

This is nonsense it didn’t happen and is nothing more then a figment if either his or your imagination.

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nonsense. If you’re over 62 years you won’t be asked to do any schemes. Nor do you have to sign on monthly.

It’s total rubbish.

Walter Knight

Grab All Association wrote: »

Was talking to a guy in Thurles who was sent to Turas Nua at 65. He is now 66 and on the state pension. They were threatening to cut his SW payments if he wouldn’t accept unpaid work in Roscrea. He doesn’t drive and has no skills apart from farm labouring throughout the years

Agh... I would ‘not put anybody on my wonderful electricity generating bicycle against his/her wish… Even animals :^)
Everything has to go for a sake of a good health, mood, and feelings… Not against it :^)
Come on politicians! Dig your arse of a cave! It`s XXI century! :^)
Even Franz Shubert sounds slightly different nowadays :^) :

GowlBagJohnson

Deleted User wrote: »

I got a letter to attend Seetec . I'm currently enrolled in a Springboard course and studying for a post grad diploma. I'm assuming this doesn't exempt me from having to deal with Seetec?

Unfortunately not I'm doing a similar course and they were having none of it, their still trying to force me into anything and everything that comes up. I've even been told I should drop out of the course so I'll be more available for work.

On that note does anyone know whats going to happen to people who are already enrolled if their doing away with the service?

splinter65

GowlBagJohnson wrote: »

Unfortunately not I'm doing a similar course and they were having none of it, their still trying to force me into anything and everything that comes up. I've even been told I should drop out of the course so I'll be more available for work.

On that note does anyone know whats going to happen to people who are already enrolled if their doing away with the service?

Who said they were doing away with it? There was a vote in the Dail but the government hardly ever act on these things and if they do it takes years.

johnnyryan89

splinter65 wrote: »

Who said they were doing away with it? There was a vote in the Dail but the government hardly ever act on these things and if they do it takes years.

You seem to know your stuff splinter. Come the last week in February I've been with Turas Nua for 12 months, am I then finished with them and will they call me in for a meeting to sign something to say my year is up or just send me out a letter.

mike222

It's possible Turas Nua may "recruit" you for another year, when your time is up. I hope not though. I was with them for 6 months, until I sourced my own job. They were of no assistance to me in anyway.

Mr.H

mike222 wrote:

It's possible Turas Nua may "recruit" you for another year, when your time is up. I hope not though. I was with them for 6 months, until I sourced my own job. They were of no assistance to me in anyway.

Im pretty sure TN dont get a say in who is referred to them. Surely its the social welfare who decide

mike222

Granted... But, I have a feeling once you are on Turas Nua's list, it makes thing easier for them to re-call.

Mr.H

mike222 wrote:

Granted... But, I have a feeling once you are on Turas Nua's list, it makes thing easier for them to re-call.

But why would they? Surely they would prefer to work with people that would be easy to get work for. Not people who couldnt get work after their first stint?

It just makes no sense to me why they are seen as the big bad wolf trying to hassle you. If you look at the figures side of it for bringing in people its worth more if they can get people a job that lasts rather than someone who will take man hours and not get anything.

I usually hate these gov schemes like job bridge and ce schemes but i genuinely fail to see the issue with getting experienced recruiters to help people that genuinely are struggling to find work. As for the ones that dont want help, i think that is another debate altogether.

splinter65

mike222 wrote: »

Granted... But, I have a feeling once you are on Turas Nua's list, it makes thing easier for them to re-call.

They don’t “re-call” you. You appear back at the SW office still without employment. So the SW office re-refer you to JobPath. Why is this an issue?

splinter65

Mr.H wrote: »

But why would they? Surely they would prefer to work with people that would be easy to get work for. Not people who couldnt get work after their first stint?

It just makes no sense to me why they are seen as the big bad wolf trying to hassle you. If you look at the figures side of it for bringing in people its worth more if they can get people a job that lasts rather than someone who will take man hours and not get anything.

I usually hate these gov schemes like job bridge and ce schemes but i genuinely fail to see the issue with getting experienced recruiters to help people that genuinely are struggling to find work. As for the ones that dont want help, i think that is another debate altogether.

This is a thread for JSA claimants who aren’t available for or looking for work to vent about the torture for them that is JobPath. There are many reasons people aren’t available for work, not necessarily laziness. It’s very complicated but it’s a by product really of living in a semi socialist state. There’s not any more a “hope” that the state will take care of us when we’re not able to care for ourselves, that “hope” has become an expectation and now a demand, on which the state can place no conditions. When it does place conditions, like JobPath, then the levels of outrage are reflected here in this thread.

Wanderer78

Mr.H wrote:

But why would they? Surely they would prefer to work with people that would be easy to get work for. Not people who couldnt get work after their first stint?

What is the main aim of such an organisation, what are their main incentives?

splinter65

Wanderer78 wrote: »

What is the main aim of such an organisation, what are their main incentives?

To get people claiming Jobseekers into paid employment.

Wanderer78

splinter65 wrote:

This is a thread for JSA claimants who aren’t available for or looking for work to vent about the torture for them that is JobPath. There are many reasons people aren’t available for work, not necessarily laziness. It’s very complicated but it’s a by product really of living in a semi socialist state. There’s not any more a “hope†that the state will take care of us when we’re not able to care for ourselves, that “hope†has become an expectation and now a demand, on which the state can place no conditions. When it does place conditions, like JobPath, then the levels of outrage are reflected here in this thread.

More rubbish as always, it's clearly obvious, Ireland, like most other nations in the western world, has been engaging in what's generally called 'neoliberal' policies, in which favours the privatisation of public services and systems, trade liberalisation etc etc, to help provide our societies with all its needs, this is clearly failing, and we re not the only country experiencing these failures.

Wanderer78

splinter65 wrote:

To get people claiming Jobseekers into paid employment.

Does the monetary incentives that have been implemented, for such organisations, interfere with this overall goal, and possibly cause the opposite effect?

splinter65

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Does the monetary incentives that have been implemented, for such organisations, interfere with this overall goal, and possibly cause the opposite effect?

No.

whippet

from what I can see JobPath is weeding out people who are claiming JSA incorrectly.

It is clear that the can't work and won't work are feeling the pain of JobPath. I have seen plenty of rants online about people who are not in a position to work (though illness, family commitments, living in the middle of nowhere, childcare). These people are on the wrong social welfare payments and schemes like Jobpath will discover that quickly.

There is one lad who is more vocal than everyone else on this matter - Mr Rudd from Drogheda. there is a whole thread dedicated to him for years on the Politics Cafe. he is a classic example.

He is being hounded by JobPath so much that he seems to have dedicated his whole waking hours to 'research' on them. The reality is that Mr. Rudd has been in receipt of JSA for over a decade and no sign of him getting a job. He has done springboard courses that are aimed at upskilling people like him in order to get them working again - but alas he can't get a job.

It is evident from looking at his history (which he plasters all over social media) that he has no interest in working in a normal job again .. he can't afford to as he has 6 children and has a very nice home-for-life courtesy of the state. The notion that he is entitled to any form of Jobseekers benefit is nonsense.

emilymemily

whippet wrote: »

from what I can see JobPath is weeding out people who are claiming JSA incorrectly.

It is clear that the can't work and won't work are feeling the pain of JobPath. I have seen plenty of rants online about people who are not in a position to work (though illness, family commitments, living in the middle of nowhere, childcare). These people are on the wrong social welfare payments and schemes like Jobpath will discover that quickly.

There is one lad who is more vocal than everyone else on this matter - Mr Rudd from Drogheda. there is a whole thread dedicated to him for years on the Politics Cafe. he is a classic example.

He is being hounded by JobPath so much that he seems to have dedicated his whole waking hours to 'research' on them. The reality is that Mr. Rudd has been in receipt of JSA for over a decade and no sign of him getting a job. He has done springboard courses that are aimed at upskilling people like him in order to get them working again - but alas he can't get a job.

It is evident from looking at his history (which he plasters all over social media) that he has no interest in working in a normal job again .. he can't afford to as he has 6 children and has a very nice home-for-life courtesy of the state. The notion that he is entitled to any form of Jobseekers benefit is nonsense.

This isnt true, after I completed my postgrad in teacher training I signed on social welfare for the Summer, within 2 weeks of signing on I was sent an appointment for jobpath. I got a substitute teaching job in September through no help from jobpath, I contacted an interview coach myself and the job was in a school where id recently finished teaching practice. As soon as the position ended at Christmas and I signed back on the dole, jobpath were back on my case. I got another sub position in the same school and during this time my social welfare payments were suspended I was sent a number of letters from jobpath instructing me to attend meetings even though I told them I was working. Im now finished a second sub position and ive no doubt they'll be on my back again.

whippet

emilymemily wrote: »

This isnt true, after I completed my postgrad in teacher training I signed on social welfare for the Summer, within 2 weeks of signing on I was sent an appointment for jobpath. I got a substitute teaching job in September through no help from jobpath, I contacted an interview coach myself and the job was in a school where id recently finished teaching practice. As soon as the position ended at Christmas and I signed back on the dole, jobpath were back on my case. I got another sub position in the same school and during this time my social welfare payments were suspended I was sent a number of letters from jobpath instructing me to attend meetings even though I told them I was working. Im now finished a second sub position and ive no doubt they'll be on my back again.

have you been in receipt of social welfare in the mean time ?

emilymemily

whippet wrote: »

have you been in receipt of social welfare in the mean time ?

Not while working, only inbetween jobs. My social welfare is still suspended, theyre looking for documents but I cant get the employer to fill them out so ive no money until I can get them sorted.

piplip87

I don't get the hate for this program. We have some fantastic supports in place for jobseekers.


I fell out of work around the 2010. Lost a construction jobs and there was nothing. Signed on the dole. Within a few weeks I got invites to certain courses.

I completed a Microsoft office, Adobe Dreamweaver one and a basic office skills one ALLL paid for by the state. I finished this up still no signs of a full time job coming along.

I signed up for JobBridge in a tourism startup company that just about lasted 9 months but the experience gained from that really helped me find a full time position. I hated the full time job turns out debt collection is quite hard, left it went to JobPath. They tailored my CV, gave me interview tips and the confidence to go out and look for the job I wanted.


I now work in one of the largest companies in the world doing something what I love and it's all down to the supports put in place in this country for the unemployed. So stop moaning about JobPath and see it as an opportunity to better your CV, your interview skills to make you more employable. Yes they get paid for getting you employed but sure the state will be paying you to sit on your hole of you didn't find a job

splinter65

piplip87 wrote: »

I don't get the hate for this program. We have some fantastic supports in place for jobseekers.


I fell out of work around the 2010. Lost a construction jobs and there was nothing. Signed on the dole. Within a few weeks I got invites to certain courses.

I completed a Microsoft office, Adobe Dreamweaver one and a basic office skills one ALLL paid for by the state. I finished this up still no signs of a full time job coming along.

I signed up for JobBridge in a tourism startup company that just about lasted 9 months but the experience gained from that really helped me find a full time position. I hated the full time job turns out debt collection is quite hard, left it went to JobPath. They tailored my CV, gave me interview tips and the confidence to go out and look for the job I wanted.


I now work in one of the largest companies in the world doing something what I love and it's all down to the supports put in place in this country for the unemployed. So stop moaning about JobPath and see it as an opportunity to better your CV, your interview skills to make you more employable. Yes they get paid for getting you employed but sure the state will be paying you to sit on your hole of you didn't find a job

But you saw JSA as a short term stop gap between the job you lost and the job you were going to get.
That’s how it was meant to be.
Unfortunatley that’s not how it is for a certain section and JobPath is the fly in their ointment.

emilymemily

piplip87 wrote: »

I don't get the hate for this program. We have some fantastic supports in place for jobseekers.


I fell out of work around the 2010. Lost a construction jobs and there was nothing. Signed on the dole. Within a few weeks I got invites to certain courses.

I completed a Microsoft office, Adobe Dreamweaver one and a basic office skills one ALLL paid for by the state. I finished this up still no signs of a full time job coming along.

I signed up for JobBridge in a tourism startup company that just about lasted 9 months but the experience gained from that really helped me find a full time position. I hated the full time job turns out debt collection is quite hard, left it went to JobPath. They tailored my CV, gave me interview tips and the confidence to go out and look for the job I wanted.


I now work in one of the largest companies in the world doing something what I love and it's all down to the supports put in place in this country for the unemployed. So stop moaning about JobPath and see it as an opportunity to better your CV, your interview skills to make you more employable. Yes they get paid for getting you employed but sure the state will be paying you to sit on your hole of you didn't find a job

That might have been your experience but not everyone has had positive results from jobpath.
I went in happy to engage, hoping they could help me find employment as finding a teaching job is near impossible, im particularly bad at interviews and was hoping to get some help in this area.
When I met the employment advisor on the first day I told her everything I was hoping to do in terms of my career and what I was doing to try and secure employment, if I couldnt get a teaching job I was happy to look for work elsewhere and was even telling her that id looked up CE schemes, I also had a 2 weeks temp job starting that same week which I told her and social welfare about.
She questioned everything I said like I was lying to her, repeated questions to see if my answers changed and then twisted my words to make it seem like I was lying, asked personal questions like what ill be earning in the temp job - social welfare didnt even ask me this, she kept pushing for an answer. Throughout the meeting she repeatedly brought it up that id mentioned a CE scheme, asking why would I want to do that? and making e feel stupid for mentioning it. She was a condescending little bully - after that first meeting I no longer wanted to engage with her at all.
She rejigged my cv but it wasnt appropriate for a teaching job or anything else, I sent it to an interview coach who told me not to hand that in to any schools.
She sent me links to jobs that I wasnt qualified for like social care worker jobs. It was a complete waste of time.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

But you saw JSA as a short term stop gap between the job you lost and the job you were going to get.
That’s how it was meant to be.
Unfortunatley that’s not how it is for a certain section and JobPath is the fly in their ointment.

One person's 'fly in the ointment' can be another's fraud and intimidation.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/jobpath-operator-accused-of-fraudulent-behaviour-in-job-finding-1.3243241

Mr.H

Balagan1 wrote:

One person's 'fly in the ointment' can be another's fraud and intimidation.

Sounds like a lot more to that story to be fair. He just so happened to get full time when he wasnt able to. If anything that is a success story.

The dole should never be long term. People should not be comfortable getting the little bit of work they can.

mike222

Very well put. That has been my experience of Turas Nua: fraud and intimation.

splinter65

Mr.H wrote: »

Sounds like a lot more to that story to be fair. He just so happened to get full time when he wasnt able to. If anything that is a success story.

The dole should never be long term. People should not be comfortable getting the little bit of work they can.

If you go back over any of the threads here about JobPath/TN/Seetec the amount of posters who coincidentally found a job themselves shortly after being referred is staggering.

emilymemily

splinter65 wrote: »

If you go back over any of the threads here about JobPath/TN/Seetec the amount of posters who coincidentally found a job themselves shortly after being referred is staggering.

In my experience they target people who are willing to work. I have friends who have never worked and have been on social welfare for years, they are on the housing list over 5 years and have no intention of looking for a job or even getting an education, they are never contacted or instructed to partake in any of these schemes.
The week I finished college job path were on my back and as soon as I finished my subbing position they were hounding me again.
I work with SNA's and other substitute teachers who experience the very same thing yet people unemployed years seem to get away getting 'randomly picked' for these schemes. Its a complete joke.

splinter65

emilymemily wrote: »

In my experience they target people who are willing to work. I have friends who have never worked and have been on social welfare for years, they are on the housing list over 5 years and have no intention of looking for a job or even getting an education, they are never contacted or instructed to partake in any of these schemes.
The week I finished college job path were on my back and as soon as I finished my subbing position they were hounding me again.
I work with SNA's and other substitute teachers who experience the very same thing yet people unemployed years seem to get away getting 'randomly picked' for these schemes. Its a complete joke.

JobPath don’t “target” anyone. Your local SW office decide who needs JobPath and refers you on to JobPath. JobPath only see the people your local SW send to them.

klaaaz

As for the definition of friends "who never worked and on welfare for years" , you have to be 100% sure that your friends are claiming jobseekers, not a range of other substitute benefits like disability allowance, the One-Parent Family Payment (OPFF) etc as only those on jobseekers are referred to Jobpath.

kylka

The figures released showing how many people have got a job thats lasted a year in seetec are staggering. Those people may have got work, but did it last? I was and am someone who is with them and they placed me and someone else in a job that 4 other people quit before us due to extreme stress and it was the worst job i have ever had and they knew of the problems before, i had to quit due to how high pressure it was and the person who was put into that job the same time as me also quit and i have seen advertisements for that company within their offices despite how difficult the company are to work for. They don't care they consider us the "customer" that the get money for placing in dead end jobs. I went in with a qualification and they basically told me my qualification was a dead end and to try apply for retail etc. I have worked with different emploment advisors and some of them are nice and some of them dont take into account circumstances. Regarding what was said earlier about people having no intention to work some people including myself have travel restrictions not everyone who is having issues with the jobpath programme doesnt want to work.

Mr.H

So you cant get a job with your qualification but how dare they tell you that?

Some of us work in jobs that are not our dream jobs. Its life. We work to pay bills. If you dont like your job the dole isnt an alternative. Getting a new job is. But some think nah just go on the dole and something will turn up.

emilymemily

emilymemily wrote: »

In my experience they target people who are willing to work. I have friends who have never worked and have been on social welfare for years, they are on the housing list over 5 years and have no intention of looking for a job or even getting an education, they are never contacted or instructed to partake in any of these schemes.
The week I finished college job path were on my back and as soon as I finished my subbing position they were hounding me again.
I work with SNA's and other substitute teachers who experience the very same thing yet people unemployed years seem to get away getting 'randomly picked' for these schemes. Its a complete joke.

Subbing teachers were being referred in their droves by the Dep of Soc Protection to JobPath. While JobPath was launched to help the long term unemployed, that changed.

JobPath is an employment activation programme that is intended to help jobseekers find and retain full-time employment. The DEASP selects clients for JobPath on a random basis. You cannot apply to go on JobPath. Supports from JobPath are aimed at people who are long-term unemployed and people who are newly unemployed but who may need intensive support to find work. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/employment_supports.html

Walter Knight

Mr.H wrote: »

So you cant get a job with your qualification but how dare they tell you that?

Some of us work in jobs that are not our dream jobs. Its life. We work to pay bills. If you dont like your job the dole isnt an alternative. Getting a new job is. But some think nah just go on the dole and something will turn up.

You`ve got no likes dude :^)

Mr.H

Walter Knight wrote:

You`ve got no likes dude :^)

Yea lets just say things that people agree with and let the softies not work just because its not comfy.

Jaysus i believe in a welfare state but some things i read on here make me think twice about it.

emilymemily

Balagan1 wrote: »

Subbing teachers were being referred in their droves by the Dep of Soc Protection to JobPath. While JobPath was launched to help the long term unemployed, that changed.

JobPath is an employment activation programme that is intended to help jobseekers find and retain full-time employment. The DEASP selects clients for JobPath on a random basis. You cannot apply to go on JobPath. Supports from JobPath are aimed at people who are long-term unemployed and people who are newly unemployed but who may need intensive support to find work. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/employment_supports.html

But the employment advisor didnt have a clue about how to find teaching jobs, when I initially went to the meeting she looked up Jobs.ie and searched for teaching jobs. Schools and ETB's have specific websites were they post education related jobs, you dont find them on sites like jobs.ie.
After looking at my cv, she knew what area I was trained in, I also told her what I was qualified to do but she put me down as looking for work in Primary and Post Primary, I cant work in Primary, im not trained for it.

She 'fixed' my cv but tailored it to suit business type jobs - Ive no experience at all in business types roles, ive an arts undergrad and a teaching postgrad, besides teaching practice id only ever worked in a pub collecting glasses and Dunnes Stores folding and hanging clothes.
I contacted a private interview coach myself as the Jobpath advisers wearnt any help, they were condescending and horrible, I had to explain everything I said about twenty times while they tried to catch me out on lies and id to watch everything I said so they wouldnt twist my words or focus on some innocuous comment about looking up CE schemes.

When I sent my cv that had been done up by the employment advisor the interview coach was horrified, she contacted me straight away and told me not to hand it in anywhere. Everything she told me to put on the CV were things the employment advisor told me not to - she had cut my cv way down, had very little information on it, didnt want me making it too wordy or adding in too much info, the interview coach sent me a professional cv and it was full of detail and information - This cv got me subbing work while the employment advisers cv didnt.

Every time I got a bit of subbing work not only had I to tell social welfare which I was happy to do obviously, but I had to go and explain myself to the jobpath employee who questioned my wages, my hours, where id be working, for how long and she spoke to me like I had done something wrong, I felt about 2 feet tall the way she spoke to me, I wouldnt even speak to a student like that.

It was the biggest waste of time and I cant believe anyone is defending it. We have no money for mental health care but we have money to support this? Its scandalous.

mike222

Precisely what Turas Nua is: a waste of time.