The war on meat

gozunda

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Cowspiracy. Saw it on Netflix a year or so ago.

'Cowspiracy' is little better than rancid vegan propaganda tbh. The figures used to push the agenda of that film were found to be made up by vegan film producers who falsely claimed that animal agricultural contributed some 51 % of all greenhouse gases. Not only was this figure shown to been have made up - it failed to even mention that it is fossil fuels and the transport sectors who are the single biggest contributor to global greenhouse gas emissions. But none of that suits the vegan agenda does it?

https://newint.org/blog/2016/02/10/cowspiracy-stampeding-in-the-wrong-direction

Butcher Boy

Anyone for a 100 euro deal for the freezer can do beef lamb and pork .

marvin80

We should probably reduce our consumption of meat but surely there's other areas to concentrate on like the number of cars on the road.

There's over 2 million cars on the road but it's unlikely the government will recommend thousands of people to get rid of them.

whisky_galore

marvin80 wrote: »

We should probably reduce our consumption of meat but surely there's other areas to concentrate on like the number of cars on the road.

There's over 2 million cars on the road but it's unlikely the government will recommend thousands of people to get rid of them.

Yeah. Nope. They do f all regarding public transport but there's nice monies to be collected with vrt, tax on fuel, etc. The NCT, SIMI and insurance cartels need to be looked after too.

I'm not sure if Ireland is suitable for conversion to mass tillage, vast tracts just aren't useable, esp in the West. And a little matter of our damp weather.
Add to that, the machinery that's needed for intensive tillage farming, none of it cheap. Who pays for that?

Tuco88

weisses wrote: »

Tuco88 wrote: »

Are they that blind? The problem is not meat consumption. The place is way too over populated.

Divide by 2.

I say lead by example

Aaahhhhh god no, I live for the now I didn't start the fire? Pifff future's problem.

Flippyfloppy

gozunda wrote: »

'Cowspiracy' is little better than rancid vegan propaganda tbh. The figures used to push the agenda of that film were found to be made up by vegan film producers who falsely claimed that animal agricultural contributed some 51 % of all greenhouse gases. Not only was this figure shown to been have made up - it failed to even mention that it is fossil fuels and the transport sectors who are the single biggest contributor to global greenhouse gas emissions. But none of that suits the vegan agenda does it?

https://newint.org/blog/2016/02/10/cowspiracy-stampeding-in-the-wrong-direction

Does it suit your farmer agenda? Also, does every single one of your posts contain the words ‘vegan agenda’ or ‘vegan propaganda’ ...if not a rolls eyes smiley? Because you sure do go on, and on...any threads on boards about meat or vegans, that’s where you’ll be found!

whisky_galore

Rows Grower wrote: »

Fair play, you sound like a natural born killer.

A mouse would kill you and your loved ones if it got the chance.

Gael23

Meat is murder

whisky_galore

Gael23 wrote: »

Meat is murder

A well thought out, unbiased contribution...

Butcher Boy

Gael23 wrote: »

Meat is murder

I should get 500 years so.

Unearthly

Less meat consumption would be a welcome change

Lady Haywire

gozunda wrote: »

'Cowspiracy' is little better than rancid vegan propaganda tbh. The figures used to push the agenda of that film were found to be made up by vegan film producers who falsely claimed that animal agricultural contributed some 51 % of all greenhouse gases. Not only was this figure shown to been have made up - it failed to even mention that it is fossil fuels and the transport sectors who are the single biggest contributor to global greenhouse gas emissions. But none of that suits the vegan agenda does it?

https://newint.org/blog/2016/02/10/cowspiracy-stampeding-in-the-wrong-direction

I see this 'Beyond Meat' company has also used that Goodland &: Anhang document to post 'facts' about animal based meats on their website :rolleyes:

Jerry Atrick

Absolute joke...we're being brainwashed by all sides. How is India gettin on environmentally with their no beef policy?
Ireland is a nanny state and I for one am sick to the teeth being ripped off and told what to do.

Mooooo

Consumerism is the biggest issue effecting the climate. Stuff being bought and fcuked out to dumps or rot, a couple of foreign holidays a year, the newest gadget just because its out. But these things won't be targeted. Farmers are an easy target, big business take over food production then with processed ****e. Dinner today was meat and veg all produced in Ireland, much better ethical and environmentally than avocado and fecking tofu

wakka12

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

Absolute joke...we're being brainwashed by all sides. How is India gettin on environmentally with their no beef policy?
Ireland is a nanny state and I for one am sick to the teeth being ripped off and told what to do.

What a silly argument. India would be even worse off if beef consumption was common

Eoinbmw

Gael23 wrote: »

Meat is murder

Bring on the genocide!

Mooooo

India has the highest production of any country of milk. It's vast population uses it all.

gozunda

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Does it suit your farmer agenda? Also, does every single one of your posts contain the words ‘vegan agenda’ or ‘vegan propaganda’ ...if not a rolls eyes smiley? Because you sure do go on, and on...any threads on boards about meat or vegans, that’s where you’ll be found!

May I ask why you always seek me out - but do not contribute to the discussion?

I'm sorry does the truth hurt? Because that's what the EAT report and those stupid films are -pure rubbish propaganda. Im sorry if you don't like be pointed out. It's funny but a small number of vegans like yourself always seem to turn up variously to attack the poster and not the post. But then that's not new is it?

Btw the link I provided was written by an decent vegan who pointed out that the figures in Cowspiracy were "a load of manure" (his words)

Take a read - You might learn something

https://newint.org/blog/2016/02/10/cowspiracy-stampeding-in-the-wrong-direction

Gael23

Butcher Boy wrote: »

I should get 500 years so.

10 years for each steak you’ve eaten😄

RMAOK

Gael23 wrote: »

10 years for each steak you’ve eaten😄

I'd be getting 1000 years inside if that was the case :eek:

Buford T. Justice XIX

I can't believe people want to miss out on tweets like this.
https://twitter.com/StrathroyDairy/status/1085622779301580800?s=19

Unearthly

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I see this 'Beyond Meat' company has also used that Goodland &: Anhang document to post 'facts' about animal based meats on their website :rolleyes:

When this companies shares goes public, invest in them. Get on the gravy train. Tyson Foods have even seen their potential

Harry Palmr

marvin80 wrote: »

We should probably reduce our consumption of meat but surely there's other areas to concentrate on like the number of cars on the road.

There's over 2 million cars on the road but it's unlikely the government will recommend thousands of people to get rid of them.

Funny you should mention cars, you can measure how far you can drive on a years worth of energy to grow a steak.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjUiI782vXfAhVcShUIHZ3kC5AQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fscience-environment-46459714&psig=AOvVaw35-CsKYL0jqP4jPoPc1Jrw&ust=1547845234265713

Butcher Boy

Gael23 wrote: »

10 years for each steak you’ve eaten😄

No but a day for every animal i have slaughtered.

Rows Grower

Butcher Boy wrote: »

No but a day for every animal i have slaughtered.

Head shot.

HalloweenJack

I read the book Eating Animals last year and it really opened my eyes to thinking about where meat comes from.

I eat a lot less meat now, probably half what I used to eat. I still love the taste, though.

pconn062

Unearthly wrote: »

Less meat consumption would be a welcome change

It would, but we simply can't have a mature conversation about the enviroment and meat eating in this country. All you'll get is stupid jokes and unthinking comments. We're so far behind other countries when it comes to tackling these issues, it's laughable. People won't even consider reducing their meat consumption slightly, despite the massive effect large scale farming has on the enviroment. Something will have to change though, and most likely it will have to be forced on us.

Flippyfloppy

gozunda wrote: »

Aw I'm sorry dies the truth hurt? Because that's what the EAT report and those stupid films are -pure rubbish propaganda. Im sorry if you don't like be pointed out. It's funny but a small number of vegans like yourself always seem to turn up variously to attack the poster and not the post. But then that's not new is it?

Btw the link I provided was written by an decent vegan who pointed out that the figures in Cowspiracy were "a load of manure" (his words)

Take a read - You might learn something

https://newint.org/blog/2016/02/10/cowspiracy-stampeding-in-the-wrong-direction

Oh give it a rest, for the last time, I’m not vegan. Many people are disillusioned with mass production of meat, that mostly goes to waste.

More so, I find your statements about vegans having agendas and spreading propaganda to be an apt description for yourself.

You are a farmer, and every thread that pops up that you think is going to threaten your likelihood you’re all over like a rash, because you’re the one with the agenda!

Rows Grower

pconn062 wrote: »

It would, but we simply can't have a mature conversation about the enviroment and meat eating in this country. All you'll get is stupid jokes and unthinking comments. We're so far behind other countries when it comes to tackling these issues, it's laughable. People won't even consider reducing their meat consumption slightly, despite the massive effect large scale farming has on the enviroment. Something will have to change though, and most likely it will have to be forced on us.

You could always emigrate.

gozunda

Unearthly wrote: »

When this companies shares goes public, invest in them. Get on the gravy train. Tyson Foods have even seen their potential

I do hope that's meat gravy!

Seriously though I think you might want to take a look at some of those backing the highly processed junk food called "Beyond Meat"

Khaled bin Alwaleed is a Saudi Prince from a family of huge personal wealth. Much of it derived from the oil industry.

Of note the House of Saud is one of the most repressive regimes on the planet. This is a regime that oversees the most “the most profoundly gender-segregated nation on Earth”.

Prince Khaled bin Alwaleed bin Talal is also the founder and chairman of the lucrative KBW Investments, which focuses on start-ups and established companies in the construction sector. 

Among the investments and partnerships that KBW ventures is linked to is Beyond Meat, a Los Angeles-headquartered plant-based food manufacturer 

Khaled said that meat alternatives are the best option from a 'financial perspective' 

We’ve seen really, really good returns,”

This is the point where investors step in, having discovered that the “plant-based” lifestyle market generates large profit margins, adding value through the ultra-processing of cheap materials (e.g., protein extracts, starches, and oils).

Nice!

pconn062

Rows Grower wrote: »

You could always emigrate.

Point proven.

Butcher Boy

Rows Grower wrote: »

Head shot.

Ya one shot between the eyes bang bang.

Unearthly

gozunda wrote: »

I do hope that's meat gravy!

Seriously though I think you might want to take a look at some of those backing the highly processed junk food called "Beyond Meat"



Nice!

You've pretty much backed up my point. Serious players with impressive financial wealth such as Bill Gates also involved. They see a big future for it even if the food isn't healthy

Get on the train Gozunda

kowloon

Tuco88 wrote: »

Are they that blind? The problem is not meat consumption. The place is way too over populated.

Divide by 2.

If people aren't too picky about which animal the meat comes from we could reduce the population and increase the meat supply simultaneously.

gozunda

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Oh give it a rest, for the last time, I’m not vegan. Many people are disillusioned with mass production of meat, that mostly goes to waste.More so, I find your statements about vegans having agendas and spreading propaganda to be an apt description for yourself. You are a farmer, and every thread that pops up that you think is going to threaten your likelihood you’re all over like a rash, because you’re the one with the agenda!

Just to remind you - You are commenting on my posts and following me for some bizarre reason. If you don't like something - it's probably best to ignore it.

Not a vegan? Well that's not what was indicated in your last couple of diatribes in the farming forum etc.

The fact is what is being pushed has been shown to be 'propaganda' like the false figures used in the film 'Cowspiracy'. If you don't like that tough.

Why are you always being negative about meat?
A huge percentage of all types of food in this country 'goes to waste'. How about to getting annoyed about that for a change?

If you have a viewpoint - have the gahoonies to detail it and try to play the ball not the player. I've added you to the ignore list.

Please note I don't have a 'likelihood" or whatever lol.

whisky_galore

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Oh give it a rest, for the last time, I’m not vegan. Many people are disillusioned with mass production of meat, that mostly goes to waste.

More so, I find your statements about vegans having agendas and spreading propaganda to be an apt description for yourself.

You are a farmer, and every thread that pops up that you think is going to threaten your likelihood you’re all over like a rash, because you’re the one with the agenda!

How does it 'mostly go to waste'? Link?

BeerWolf

I ain't changing my diet because people can't curb overbreeding. If anything the world should be encouraging the reduction of the world's population.

gozunda

Unearthly wrote: »

You've pretty much backed up my point. Serious players with impressive financial wealth such as Bill Gates also involved. They see a big future for it even if the food isn't healthy Get on the train Gozunda

So you read about the investor I detailed? The devil rides that train! Ever hear about ethical consumerism? 'Beyond meat' is highly processed junk food. The investors see an opportunity to make money out of the gullible imo ..

jochenstacker

Ah, another AH hate wankfest on something "liberal".
It's like Pavlov now, isn't it?
Just put traveler, liberal, vegan, refugee or feminist into the thread title and watch the monkeys dance.
Well, have fun you guys.

Rows Grower

pconn062 wrote: »

Point proven.

Eat more meat and you'll get more irony.

Unearthly

gozunda wrote: »

So you read about the investor I detailed? The devil rides that train! Ever hear about ethical consumerism? Its highly processed junk food. The investors see an opportunity to make money out of the gullible imo ..

I suppose the Saudi can ask his fellow investors Tyson Foods for some ethical advice

Perhaps instead of lashing gay people with whips, they can be more humane and use a stun gun instead

whisky_galore

jochenstacker wrote: »

Ah, another AH hate wankfest on something "liberal".
It's like Pavlov now, isn't it?
Just put traveler, liberal, vegan, refugee or feminist into the thread title and watch the monkeys dance.
Well, have fun you guys.

How is forcing a certain diet or lifestyle on others 'liberal'?

Tilikum17

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Oh give it a rest, for the last time, I’m not vegan. Many people are disillusioned with mass production of meat, that mostly goes to waste.

More so, I find your statements about vegans having agendas and spreading propaganda to be an apt description for yourself.

You are a farmer, and every thread that pops up that you think is going to threaten your likelihood you’re all over like a rash, because you’re the one with the agenda!

I have one person on boards on ignore and looking at your last few posts I bet that’s who your replying to. He/she is in every single thread concerning veganism or anything to do with the benefits of a plant based diet. So much so I’d say there’s two people using that account. Posting at all hours. Clearly working for bord bia or the dairy industry.

Either that or they should be in the second series of ‘you’ on Netflix.

Blaizes

BeerWolf wrote: »

I ain't changing my diet because people can't curb overbreeding. If anything the world should be encouraging the reduction of the world's population.

Was reading recently that by 2050 India will have 1.7 billion people and they reckon the country won't even be able to hold that many people!

lbc2019

Blaizes wrote: »

Was reading recently that by 2050 India will have 1.7 billion people and they reckon the country won't even be able to hold that many people!

They won't eat cows tho

Noveight

jochenstacker wrote: »

Just put traveler, liberal, vegan, refugee or feminist into the thread title and watch the monkeys dance.

There are none of those things in the thread title though..?

Dakota Dan

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

Saw a very good documentary on this very subject a few years ago, it was called Cowspiracy, worth a look.

That was called out for what it was years ago which was nonsense. A documentary full of lies to reel in gullible fools.

emaherx

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Funny you should mention cars, you can measure how far you can drive on a years worth of energy to grow a steak.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjUiI782vXfAhVcShUIHZ3kC5AQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fscience-environment-46459714&psig=AOvVaw35-CsKYL0jqP4jPoPc1Jrw&ust=1547845234265713

Links not working.

People need to stop comparing cows to cars. Cows are part of the natural carbon cycle. Cows eat grass and release carbon into the atmosphere, grazing grass stimulates it to grow and actively growing grass removes more carbon from the atmosphere compared to mature grass that has gone to seed.

Grass fed cows can only release carbon which was stored in the grass which In any case is carbon that was relatively recently removed from the atmosphere.

Cars on the other hand mostly burn dino juice which is releasing carbon that had been stored in the ground for millions of years and has not been part of any natural carbon cycle for a very long time. Not to mention the plastics and carbon footprint of manufacturing, maintaining and end of life destruction of the car.

Dakota Dan

Tuco88 wrote: »

Are they that blind? The problem is not meat consumption. The place is way too over populated.

Divide by 2.

Nice knowing you, don't forget to close the door on your way out

Dakota Dan

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Does it suit your farmer agenda? Also, does every single one of your posts contain the words ‘vegan agenda’ or ‘vegan propaganda’ ...if not a rolls eyes smiley? Because you sure do go on, and on...any threads on boards about meat or vegans, that’s where you’ll be found!

Do you ever listen to the nonsense vegans come out with? Someone has to try and talk sense to them.