The war on meat

Alrigghtythen

I will eat meat as and when I choose.

gozunda

whisky_galore wrote: »

Cut out the one thing that actually grows well here in most areas! :rolleyes:

I've seen it mentioned that the founders (the
Stordalens) of the EAT sect / group - don't particularly like root vegetables and these are therefore not included in their "Planetary Health Diet". So no spuds, no turnip etc etc
Great eh?

whisky_galore

gozunda wrote: »

I've seen it mentioned that the founders (the
Stordalens) of the EAT sect / group - don't particularly like root vegetables and these are therefore not included in their "Planetary Health Diet". So no spuds, no turnip etc etc
Great eh?

Great Famine part Deux.

What are we supposed to grow here so? What are the 'approved veg' for the Irish climate?

wakka12

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

It may as well be that way as any other. The idea that sustainability, or avoiding doing harm to the planet is an unalloyed good, gets away scandalously without being questioned. Use the planets resources. Exhaust them. Enjoy them. There is no real point in putting one's self out to spare them.

Thats incredibly selfish. Some peopel will have to grow up and live in the world we will destroy. Have a bit of respect for the beautiful planet we get to enjoy and try to preserve it for our children

emaherx

whisky_galore wrote: »

Great Famine part Deux.

What are we supposed to grow here so? What are the 'approved veg' for the Irish climate?

Wasn't there a German reicipe for a Grass based bread used to feed the troops during the war?

The equivalent of 1/2 a meatball per day?!

Bahahahahaha I'm fúcked then, and contently so.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Bahahahahaha I'm fúcked then, and contently so.

Are you really a talking sheep? :P

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

The equivalent of 1/2 a meatball per day?!

Bahahahahaha I'm fúcked then, and contently so.

I'll have the other half while I'm waiting on my steak to grill.

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The equivalent of 1/2 a meatball per day?!

Bahahahahaha I'm fúcked then, and contently so.

This.

"Christopher Snowdon, head of lifestyle economics at the IEA, accused the authors of the planetary health diet of campaigning for a “nanny state”.

He added: “Their desire to limit people to eating one tenth of a sausage a day leaves us in no doubt that we are dealing with fanatics.

“They say they want to save the planet but it is not clear which planet are they on.”

Assetbacked

There are three main reasons to eat less meat as far as I can see: sustainability/the environment, animal welfare and our own health. At the very least, industrial/battery farming should be banned. It is disgusting and in no way should the resulting, antibiotic enriched meat be considered edible and safe. The minimum food grade for animal products should be organic. This is more expensive but then people should just eat less meat and focus more on fish as well as maybe a day or two in a week with just vegetables. It's like most things in life in that it's not a black and white area but we can certainly agree that the Western diet consisting of extremely processed foods and excessive meat consumption needs to be modified.

whisky_galore

emaherx wrote: »

Wasn't there a German reicipe for a Grass based bread used to feed the troops during the war?

They made coffee out of acorns too.

It tasted sh1t.

Dakota Dan

Cantona's Collars

The American style of animal rearing is light years away from the Irish way.
I'll always eat meat and Irish reared meat is among the best in the world.
The campaign for vegetarian diets etc tend to forget how the pesticides are decimating insect populations and never mind the carbon footprint of fruit and veg being shipped from all over the world.
Just look at how soya plantations are destroying rainforests that act as carbon sinks.
But yeah,meat is bad,go figure.

coolshannagh28

Meat is going out of fashion , I have 9 nieces and nephews , two are vegetarian and one is vegan , they are perceived as bang on trend by their peers , Leo is tapping into this trend as there are votes in it but its also a stealthy way of justifying the introduction of carbon taxes which will be quite punitive for Ireland as we have dragged our heels on our 2020 targets.

Dakota Dan

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

The American style of animal rearing is light years away from the Irish way.
I'll always eat meat and Irish reared meat is among the best in the world.
The campaign for vegetarian diets etc tend to forget how the pesticides are decimating insect populations and never mind the carbon footprint of fruit and veg being shipped from all over the world.
Just look at how soya plantations are destroying rainforests that act as carbon sinks.
But yeah,meat is bad,go figure.

That and the fact that the world can't go vegan as there isn't enough suitable arable land.

https://gpfarmblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/can-the-world-go-vegan-a-studied-viewpoint-re/

Dakota Dan

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Meat is going out of fashion , I have 9 nieces and nephews , two are vegetarian and one is vegan , they are perceived as bang on trend by their peers , Leo is tapping into this trend as there are votes in it but its also a stealthy way of justifying the introduction of carbon taxes which will be quite punitive for Ireland as we have dragged our heels on our 2020 targets.

I read that as 9 inches

Tilikum17

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Yes I agree, there's definitely something up with that account. And it's the same phrases over and over used.....

My advice, stick them on ignore. You’ll enjoy boards far more.

You have to laugh though. Once a thread like this is started they’re all in tripping over themselves to thank each other’s posts. It’s absolute cringe. They must all be in a WhatsApp group. Quick lads sound the beacon of Gondor there’s a meat/veg thread. Everyone log in.

With all their replying they’re keeping these threads front & center, they do more for the veggie/vegan cause that piers Morgan.

wakka12

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Bit unfair they took a shot of the one on the left when shes starving in a jungle for weeks and the other is red carpet ready..

Dakota Dan

Tilikum17 wrote: »

My advice, stick them on ignore. You’ll enjoy boards far more.

You have to laugh though. Once a thread like this is started they’re all in tripping over themselves to thank each other’s posts. It’s absolute cringe. They must all be in a WhatsApp group. Quick lads sound the beacon of Gondor there’s a meat/veg thread. Everyone log in.

With all their replying they’re keeping these threads front & center, they do more for the veggie/vegan cause that piers Morgan.

Dream on sunshine :rolleyes:

Dakota Dan

wakka12 wrote: »

Bit unfair they took a shot of the one on the left when shes starving in a jungle for weeks and the other is red carpet ready..

Do you honestly that they starve in that program? Reality tv is far from reality

Anyway I know which one I'd kick out of bed.

Tilikum17

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Do you honestly that they starve in that program? Reality tv is far from reality

Anyway I know which one I'd kick out of bed.

Yeah your yoke.

Demi Moore 52

:poundit

Dakota Dan

wakka12 wrote: »

Bit unfair they took a shot of the one on the left when shes starving in a jungle for weeks and the other is red carpet ready..

She looks so much better with make up :rolleyes:

Cantona's Collars

Dakota Dan wrote: »

That and the fact that the world can't go vegan as there isn't enough suitable arable land.

https://gpfarmblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/can-the-world-go-vegan-a-studied-viewpoint-re/

True, people worried about antibiotics etc in meat but haven't a problem with tonnes of chemicals being sprayed on vegetables and fruit.

Harry Palmr

You'd swear eating less meat was a 'tractorious' act in Ireland.

You'll enjoy what you do consume all the more if you treat it like a treat and not sustenance.

Tom Mann Centuria

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Cocaine keeps you young.

Dakota Dan

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You'd swear eating less meat was a 'tractorious' act in Ireland.

You'll enjoy what you do consume all the more if you treat it like a treat and not sustenance.

Did you miss the half a meat ball a day part? There's less and there's less but that is taking the mick.

Harry Palmr

So have three and a half meatballs on Sunday Your digestive system will say thank you.

The reason for the "Yuletide log" is not the cranberries or the spouts or even the trifle it's the meat meat meat.

c.p.w.g.w

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

I know its serious whataboutery, but I hate when these types of studies preach to the general public when something like 70% of all emissions is caused by 10 companies. That, coupled with China, India and the US not giving a continental hoot about emissions makes me extremely jaded by these types of studies.

And no mention of the nations with stupid high birth-rates, like Niger, Burkina Faso, Mali & Somalia all of which have at least 3 times the birth rate of Ireland & 4 times the birth rate of Germany.

We should be trying to reduce the world population, in conjunction with other approaches like reducing carbon footprint and force the countries like USA, India and China to follow

gozunda

Tilikum17 wrote: »

My advice, stick them on ignore. You’ll enjoy boards far more.You have to laugh though. Once a thread like this is started they’re all in tripping over themselves to thank each other’s posts. It’s absolute cringe. They must all be in a WhatsApp group. Quick lads sound the beacon of Gondor there’s a meat/veg thread. Everyone log in.With all their replying they’re keeping these threads front & center, they do more for the veggie/vegan cause that piers Morgan.

Its more like highlighting the usual rubbish for what it is. Some don't seem to like that funnily enough. It's funny though anytime you mention meat in a thread title - it's the same old reaction tbh

But hey lads it would be good to discuss the topic and leave the usual ad hominems at home

Harry Palmr

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

And no mention of the nations with stupid high birth-rates, like Niger, Burkina Faso, Mali & Somalia all of which have at least 3 times the birth rate of Ireland & 4 times the birth rate of Germany.

We should be trying to reduce the world population, in conjunction with other approaches like reducing carbon footprint and force the countries like USA, India and China to follow

Why do people keep saying this. The people who are alive would like to stay so I imagine and not be put to death to suit your vast rate of carbon based consumption.

gozunda

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Yeah your yoke.
Demi Moore 52
:poundit

Looks like the she could do with a decent meal tbh. The several hollywood facial enhancement procedures, including the mini facelift, Botox, and fillers have certainly helped ...

Dakota Dan

Dakota Dan wrote: »

That and the fact that the world can't go vegan as there isn't enough suitable arable land.

https://gpfarmblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/can-the-world-go-vegan-a-studied-viewpoint-re/

Very interesting read ty

c.p.w.g.w

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Why do people keep saying this. The people who are alive would like to stay so I imagine and not be put to death to suit your vast rate of carbon based consumption.

I'm not suggesting we kill people...But we should be encouraging people not to pop out 3,4,5 or 6 kids. If everyone women had 2 kids in their lifetime, the world population should remain fairly stable where it is not, the 2 off spring replace each of their parents.

The worlds population is at 7.7 billion set to increase to 10 billion in 2050. That is certainly not sustainable.

Only thing we can hope for is a shelf corrective event from nature...most likely a plague of sorts to redress the balance. That is the only way to save mankind long term on this planet

P.S My carbon footprint isn't the worst. I cycle or walk everywhere. I try to buy carbon neutral products. Try to buy products produced on the Island of Ireland. Use solar panels for heating water. We need to look at China which produced more greenhouse emissions than the US and EU combined.

Harry Palmr

As I already posted the fertility rate is falling rapidly. There are only a handful of states like Burkina Faso with ludicrous reproduction levels - it's going to take until the end of this century to level out the births and deaths, until then we'll have to put up with the consequences.

At least that country is so poor it's impact is quite small, Ireland's is far greater.

Johnnycanyon

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Well you aren't an expert on grain production for cattle that's for sure. You seem to be basing most of your facts on cowspiracy.

I certainly am no expert on grain production but you are definitely no expert on climate change or what causes it, and nobody else here is..

c.p.w.g.w

Harry Palmr wrote: »

As I already posted the fertility rate is falling rapidly. There are only a handful of states like Burkina Faso with ludicrous reproduction levels - it's going to take until the end of this century to level out the births and deaths, until then we'll have to put up with the consequences.

At least that country is so poor it's impact is quite small, Ireland's is far greater.

Falling in the developed world not in the developing world*


*I'd imagine its due to poor education and religion(condoms are bad, God/Allah says no)

Ultimate Seduction

Thea Spicy Nag wrote: »

I was vegetarian for seven years. I did it properly and limited dairy and egg intake as well, ate lots of lentils and pulses to get the nutrients you get from meat.

Healthwise, I personally found my digestive system was more stable when I stopped eating meat. I personally found I felt more full when I started eating meat again. That was all really. I was able to build muscle easily as a vegetarian, when I had a mind to. My energy and concentration were fine. I didn't find it any easier or harder to keep from getting fat.

I started eating poultry and fish again because my wife found it difficult to get sufficient nutrients while pregnant from plant based foods. This was because of bad morning sickness, and meat tends to be denser nutritionally in some regards. She felt bad so I switched too so she felt less bad.

My view is that a very few people might have permqnent or temporary digestive issues to make it preferable to include or eliminate meat - but for the vast majority there is no significant effect on health or wellbeing one way or another. It is just down to choice.

I feel like a bit of a hypocrite eating meat today, as I was a bit upset after killing a mouse yesterday (with a sledgehammer). I realised it was the first time I killed something bigger than an insect.

There are compelling reasons to limit meat intake, especially beef, because of the contribution the industry has to global warming. Ireland is in line to get huge fines soon for not honouring our commitments to reducing emissions. This is mainly because we have expanded animal farming in the meantime, getting permission to increase the number of cows that we can farm.

I think large numbers of people reducing intake is the way to go. No need for a binary vegetarian/omnivorous approach. Just eat less of it.

How does farming cows have have a huge contribution to global warming?

Would it not be better to have hundreads of acres of farmland than factory's cooking up chemicals to make our syntethic meat?

Mebuntu

Whoever these lunatics are that delivered this paper need to be treated with the same contempt as the idiots that stand on street corners with notices confirming "The End is Nigh" or those fools who predict the world will end on 26th June 2019 at 6.17pm.

gozunda

Harry Palmr wrote: »

As I already posted the fertility rate is falling rapidly. There are only a handful of states like Burkina Faso with ludicrous reproduction levels - it's going to take until the end of this century to level out the births and deaths, until then we'll have to put up with the consequences.

At least that country is so poor it's impact is quite small, Ireland's is far greater.

Leveling out or otherwise - the planet is still grossly overpopulated. Many poor and developing countries problems are exacerbated by high birth rates, corruption and local inequality. The impacts are generally not comparable. Berating ourselves by means of collective chestbeating helps nothing.

Johnnycanyon

Dakota Dan wrote: »

That and the fact that the world can't go vegan as there isn't enough suitable arable land.

https://gpfarmblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/can-the-world-go-vegan-a-studied-viewpoint-re/

So Cowspiracy is a load of waffle and we have to take the above article as Gospel?

Dakota Dan

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

I certainly am no expert on grain production but you are definitely no expert on climate change or what causes it, and nobody else here is..

Sure going by the experts we are the whole cause of it nature diesnt play any part anymore. BTW I never said that aI was an expert.

Johnnycanyon

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Sure going by the experts we are the whole cause of it nature diesnt play any part anymore. BTW I never said that aI was an expert.

But you suggested I was no expert on grain production! Maybe I am.

Dakota Dan

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

So Cowspiracy is a load of waffle and we have to take the above article as Gospel?

No that study by 20 unnamed food scientists cum climate scientists is gospel, yeah right.

Kevin Finnerty

What time is Burger King open til?

gozunda

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

So Cowspiracy is a load of waffle and we have to take the above article as Gospel?

It's not posters saying that Cowspiracy 'is a load of waffle' Both vegans and academics have shown this is the case.

http://www.vancouverhumanesociety.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/Livestock-and-greenhouse-gas-emissions.-The-importance-of-getting-the-numbers-right.pdf
https://newint.org/blog/2016/02/10/cowspiracy-stampeding-in-the-wrong-direction

Dakota Dan

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

But you suggested I was no expert on grain production! Maybe I am.

Jaysus, I think it’s past your bedtime, you don’t want to be late for school tomorrow.

Dakotabigone

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Jaysus, I think it’s past your bedtime, you don’t want to be late for school tomorrow.

Go to bed son, it’s past your bed time. Stop snapchating your private’s to your cousin.

qwerty ui op

In Ireland all the main breeds of cattle need to be dehorned, Polly's don't on account of them not having horns.


Step by step for dehorning cattle beef herd
-drive everything into the shed
-separate out the cows/mothers and pin all calves in together
- get set up with crate (metal box for pinning calves down)and dehorner (plastic handle with a metal rod that heats up, about the size of a bicycle pump), you have gas and electric, gas is handy cos you don't need electric leads etc
-calves will be very wild so you'll need 2 guys to catch calf and drag it into the crate
-When you have a calf in the crate push down head and put on chain tight but remember not to choke the calf. When head is secure put on the other chains, they'll need to be tight because the main bit is coming next,
-clip hair around horns to get a clearer view, then when your dehorner is red hot press up against horn then you dig right down into the calfs skull to do a proper job, get it all out and stop it from ever growing again. -
-The calf will do just about anything to get out of that crate so it's important to have good strong crate.
- the stink of burning hair and flesh along with the calf roaring his head off might cause you stress so try remain calm especially if you've a lot of calves to dehorn
- if a calf passes out before you've got both horns dug out, lift him up or he'll choke
-release calf
-repeat

This is as good as it gets for young cattle as they get older...
you don't wanna know but it gets messy

gozunda

qwerty ui op wrote: »

In Ireland all the main breeds of cattle need to be dehorned, Polly's don't on account of them not having horns....

Eh? the point of that piece of copy and paste? Sounds like youve little idea tbh. You do know why cattle are dehorned so as to stop cattle gouging and injuring each other yes?

prinzeugen

The environmental vegans theory that going vegan will save the planet is bollox.

How much of your vegan diet has to be flown in by plane from thousands of miles away because it cant be grown in our climate?

If everyone went vegan in Ireland you would need more planes to fly food in than the Berlin airlift!

All of them pumping out more Co2 than the cows.

And dont get me started on the meat is murder vegans. They should just be locked up on Shutter Island..