Part worn tyres

grogi

coylemj wrote: »

There is a perfectly good explanation for where a lot of these tyres come from - if you trade in a car to a main dealer, he will get new tyres put on it before he puts it on his forecourt for sale. The tyres that come off those traded in cars end up as 'part worn' tyres and a lot of them are perfectly fine.

Did you ever buy a preloved car from a dealer? Did it come with brand new tyres?

The typical dealers would not even pump the tyres, not to mention swap them - unless absolutely necessary.

coylemj

grogi wrote: »

Did you ever buy a preloved car from a dealer? Did it come with brand new tyres?

Yes and yes, three times. Bradys in Castleknock, Koping on the Naas Road and Ballsbridge Motors. New tyres every time.

I said 'main dealers', a dealer with a franschise to sell new cars. I have never seen a secondhand car for sale in a main dealer that did not have new tyres.

creedp

coylemj wrote: »

Yes and yes, three times. Bradys in Castleknock, Koping on the Naas Road and Ballsbridge Motors. New tyres every time.

I said 'main dealers', a dealer with a franschise to sell new cars. I have never seen a secondhand car for sale in a main dealer that did not have new tyres.

I had to fight hard to get a main dealer to put a new tyre on the front drivers side to match the new tyre on the passenger side that had to be replaced because of a puncture. He initially refused to do so saying he never removed a tyre from a car that was above the legal limit. This was on a 2 year old Nissan Leaf and he wanted to sell it with a brand new Nexen on one side of the front axle and a 75% worn Michelin energy on the other side!! He eventually changed it when I threatened to walk away. Even then his response was you would walk away from a deal for the sake of an €80 tyre!! There's a bit of irony there somewhere!!

coylemj

Just because one dealer pawned you off with mixed tyres doesn't take from my point.

Which is that a major source for part-worn tyres is trade-ins. Where the tyres are perfectly road safe.

I have no doubt that there are dodgy tyres out but there's also hundreds of dodgy secondhand cars for sale and nobody is comparing them to used condoms or underpants.

Dakotabigone

The used condom simile is infantile here.

Henry Ford III

coylemj wrote:

You can say the same about secondhand cars. So wouldn't you be mad to buy one?

Without checking it's history - yes. You can't do that with tyres though.

E36Ross

I got 4 matching branded partworn tyres a few weeks back.......

Had been on the car for a month and it **** the engine so it was scrapped, Had done a 1000 or maybe 1500 miles.


Nothing wrong with GOOD partworn tyres, Problem is most people don't know what they're looking at and assume a bit of thread and it holds air it'll be graaaaaand. Their is a lot of ****e out there though, From winter tyres to old perished tyres.



Every car on the road is on partworns tyres.

grogi

E36Ross wrote: »

Nothing wrong with GOOD partworn tyres, Problem is most people don't know what they're looking at and assume a bit of thread and it holds air it'll be graaaaaand. Their is a lot of ****e out there though, From winter tyres to old perished tyres.

Do you think a person that comes here asking for tyre advice will know how to spot a GOOD partworn? I know a bit, but never will be sure about a tyre either.

The only sensible advice is to get new tyres.

corks finest

grogi wrote: »

E36Ross wrote: »

Nothing wrong with GOOD partworn tyres, Problem is most people don't know what they're looking at and assume a bit of thread and it holds air it'll be graaaaaand. Their is a lot of ****e out there though, From winter tyres to old perished tyres.

Do you think a person that comes here asking for tyre advice will know how to spot a GOOD partworn? I know a bit, but never will be sure about a tyre either.

The only sensible advice is to get new tyres.

Correct, FFS pls buy new tyres,I went the part worn direction 20 plus yrs ago, TBH no bobs,5 kids,regretted it ,blow out,now I know it may have happened anyway,but I didn't buy part worn since

enricoh

corks finest wrote: »

Correct, FFS pls buy new tyres,I went the part worn direction 20 plus yrs ago, TBH no bobs,5 kids,regretted it ,blow out,now I know it may have happened anyway,but I didn't buy part worn since

Used to work at tyres 20 years ago n used to sell loads of remoulds. They didnt just blow out, they could just disintegrate while driving!
I was told to tell the customer i never saw it happen before. Lethal.
Part warns are ok if u know a bit about tyres, most punters know nothing and get any crap going.

corks finest

grogi wrote: »

coylemj wrote: »

There is a perfectly good explanation for where a lot of these tyres come from - if you trade in a car to a main dealer, he will get new tyres put on it before he puts it on his forecourt for sale. The tyres that come off those traded in cars end up as 'part worn' tyres and a lot of them are perfectly fine.

Did you ever buy a preloved car from a dealer? Did it come with brand new tyres?

The typical dealers would not even pump the tyres, not to mention swap them - unless absolutely necessary.

My Japanese import arrived, garage put 4 new ones on

corks finest

corks finest wrote: »

grogi wrote: »

coylemj wrote: »

There is a perfectly good explanation for where a lot of these tyres come from - if you trade in a car to a main dealer, he will get new tyres put on it before he puts it on his forecourt for sale. The tyres that come off those traded in cars end up as 'part worn' tyres and a lot of them are perfectly fine.

Did you ever buy a preloved car from a dealer? Did it come with brand new tyres?

The typical dealers would not even pump the tyres, not to mention swap them - unless absolutely necessary.

My Japanese import arrived, garage put 4 new ones on

He does it with all the cars,all Japanese imports in cahir,co Tipperary

_Kaiser_

I've used both and I do high mileage.

I've often walked into a tyre place to be offered some never-heard-of brand new, or a branded tyre with decent thread left on it.

I always go for the latter. All this anti-part worn stuff is presumably from people who immediately change all 4 tyres (and the spare) when they buy a second car, right?

The Rape of Lucretia

There is simply no point in getting part worn tyres anymore. The demand for them was understandable when the big traditional European makers had a strangle on the market.

But with the super value in tyres available these days by avoiding those brands, it much better all round to buy new.

If you look at what you get in a new tyre, full tread, no unknown history, from the likes of Linglong, Wanli, or Milestone, the difference is so small it makes part worn a bad deal.

Isambard

i think most part worns must come from accident damaged cars. Where else would they come from? I think there's a chance they could be damaged and would avoid.

Fann Linn

Isambard wrote: »

i think most part worns must come from accident damaged cars. Where else would they come from? I think there's a chance they could be damaged and would avoid.

I heard somewhere that they come from German/Dutch vehicles which are required by their laws to be disposed of early.
Not sure how true that tale is however!

ofcork

If the price of new tyres wasn't so high there wouldn't be a market for partworns brother was quoted 210 each for bridgestones a few weeks ago.

robtri

Isambard wrote: »

i think most part worns must come from accident damaged cars. Where else would they come from? I think there's a chance they could be damaged and would avoid.

a friend of mine was in the tyre business up till recently..
he used to import part worns by the 40ft load
he got them in germany and such, places where it is law to change your tyres by a certain date to winter tyres, so there is a glut of summer tyres.

they are not from crashed cars or stuff like that

used them myself for years and years, alway get a good brand and inspect, look inside and out before they put on your car and you will be fine..

Isambard

robtri wrote: »

a friend of mine was in the tyre business up till recently..
he used to import part worns by the 40ft load
he got them in germany and such, places where it is law to change your tyres by a certain date to winter tyres, so there is a glut of summer tyres.

they are not from crashed cars or stuff like that

used them myself for years and years, alway get a good brand and inspect, look inside and out before they put on your car and you will be fine..

He would say that.

I don't buy that. Most people surely would just keep a second set of wheels and swap them spring and autumn.

Even if what he said was true, could anyone guarantee the tyres weren't from a crashed car? there's a lot of rogues operating in the tyre business, they look just the same as the kosher dealers.

1874

enricoh wrote: »

Used to work at tyres 20 years ago n used to sell loads of remoulds. They didnt just blow out, they could just disintegrate while driving!
I was told to tell the customer i never saw it happen before. Lethal.
Part warns are ok if u know a bit about tyres, most punters know nothing and get any crap going.

remoulds are a different story, but this was an enquiry about part works, i wouldn't trust a remould.

mikeecho

I previously said why I wouldn't buy part worms,
(Poor value for money

and the situation where I would buy them.
( Winter tyres on a second set of rims, for viruses very limited use)

But .. I never mentioned that in would buy them, if I was selling the car, and just needed something that looked like it had some grip.. but I'd also consider ditch finders.. if I was off loading the car.

Blazer

Isambard wrote: »

He would say that.

I don't buy that. Most people surely would just keep a second set of wheels and swap them spring and autumn.

Even if what he said was true, could anyone guarantee the tyres weren't from a crashed car? there's a lot of rogues operating in the tyre business, they look just the same as the kosher dealers.

Its well known that the majority are imported from Germany.
The legal tyre limit in German is much higher than here at 3mm.
Ours is 1.6mm.

grogi

Isambard wrote: »

He would say that.

I don't buy that. Most people surely would just keep a second set of wheels and swap them spring and autumn.

Even if what he said was true, could anyone guarantee the tyres weren't from a crashed car? there's a lot of rogues operating in the tyre business, they look just the same as the kosher dealers.

The truth is always in between.

The customer would not keep the tyre over winter (for majority of them it costs money - as they live in appartments and storage is short) if it had a season or so left in it.

In other words: they are still road legal, but at the end of the road.

corks finest

mikeecho wrote: »

I previously said why I wouldn't buy part worms,
(Poor value for money

and the situation where I would buy them.
( Winter tyres on a second set of rims, for viruses very limited use)

But .. I never mentioned that in would buy them, if I was selling the car, and just needed something that looked like it had some grip.. but I'd also consider ditch finders.. if I was off loading the car.

Wow,that's not right bud

Isambard

grogi wrote: »

The truth is always in between.

The customer would not keep the tyre over winter (for majority of them it costs money - as they live in appartments and storage is short) if it had a season or so left in it.

In other words: they are still road legal, but at the end of the road.

yes the truth is somewhere in the middle but how do you tell you are getting a safe tyre? for the sake of a quite small saving, you may as well buy new.

1874

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

There is simply no point in getting part worn tyres anymore. The demand for them was understandable when the big traditional European makers had a strangle on the market.

But with the super value in tyres available these days by avoiding those brands, it much better all round to buy new.

If you look at what you get in a new tyre, full tread, no unknown history, from the likes of Linglong, Wanli, or Milestone, the difference is so small it makes part worn a bad deal.

Is that a P*$$take? you're joking right! looked up a few of those, tyre specific Im sure, first review of milestone average review 15% for braking/grip in wet or dry, had never heard of them before. I think in general, these are the tyres you should be avoiding.

mikeecho wrote: »

I previously said why I wouldn't buy part worms,
(Poor value for money and the situation where I would buy them.
( Winter tyres on a second set of rims, for viruses very limited use)
But .. I never mentioned that in would buy them, if I was selling the car, and just needed something that looked like it had some grip.. but I'd also consider ditch finders.. if I was off loading the car.

Id put part worns on a car before Id do that which is the equivalent to if someone bought a good brand new and they were part worn on the car, but you'd put ditch finders on for that reason and openly admit it? which would likely be dearer than a good brand part worn?? that you'd even consider for this reason tells me your opinion/judgment is questionable.

grogi

Isambard wrote: »

yes the truth is somewhere in the middle but how do you tell you are getting a safe tyre? for the sake of a quite small saving, you may as well buy new.

Of course. And that's my advice as well.

colm_mcm

1874 wrote: »

Is that a P*$$take? you're joking right! looked up a few of those, tyre specific Im sure, first review of milestone average review 15% for braking/grip in wet or dry, had never heard of them before. I think in general, these are the tyres you should be avoiding.

Don’t feed the T R o L

Esel

Part-worn tyres thread

TROL

Groundhog Day

bazz26

He's getting slow though, took 5 pages before his usual reply. Moral of the story is all tyres are the same - round and black. The engineers at Linglong are testament to that.

obi604

So the overall general consensus is that part worn tyres are excellent.

Isambard

https://www.staffordshire-live.co.uk/news/local-news/familys-lucky-escape-after-25-2581919?fbclid=IwAR0cLjA6RTJbUZPILgX2MQdb3_EhnQvSt4b8dLRaDl41mgeljLB9L3HPs8o

1874

Part worns can be good condition, good brand, almost new,

that article is one report with a tyre that had 3 improper repairs carried out on it, unscrupulous seller.

Isambard

1874 wrote: »

Part worns can be good condition, good brand, almost new,

that article is one report with a tyre that had 3 improper repairs carried out on it, unscrupulous seller.

yes but how do you tell whether what you've got is safe and if it's from a scrupulous seller?

1874

eyeball mk1
Ive been shown tyres and Ive always asked to see them, I look at the inside and out, very quick and handy

Isambard

i don't believe, however much I looked at a tyre that I could tell if it had been stressed by a high speed accident, or had other damage.

1874

Isambard wrote: »

i don't believe, however much I looked at a tyre that I could tell if it had been stressed by a high speed accident, or had other damage.

Any scoring, marks, bulges, cuts, repairs, wear, deterioration, all quite easily visible,
Just like a new set of brake pads, I would not test them at 70 on the first outing.

pippip

I got a full set of grade A part worns before, were so new they still had the little rubber spike things still on them from manufacturing.

You have to remember the garage itself has a reputation and has paid money for the tyres so they'll be examining them too.

Isambard

i don't trust too many dealers in the tyre business.

kerten

/rant

You know it is not always between part worn michelin or brand new linglong only. Everybody is allowed to buy brand new decent brand tyres in Ireland. Oh if they are so expensive then maybe you should review your motoring choices and go for a model with smaller tyres to be able to drive safely for yourself and others on the road.

For the ones who checks part worns visually and says they are good part worns, how do you check integrity of steel mesh in the tyre ? X-ray vision ?


/rant over

Esel

I think TyreLand say their part-worns are x-rayed. Last time I was there however, all they had were winter tyres.

I saw them fit two winter tyres on one side of a customer's car; leaving two regular tyres on the other side. Customer was not informed or consulted about this.

grogi

Esel wrote: »

I think TyreLand say their part-worns are x-rayed. Last time I was there however, all they had were winter tyres.

Yeah, right

1874

kerten wrote: »

/rant

You know it is not always between part worn michelin or brand new linglong only. Everybody is allowed to buy brand new decent brand tyres in Ireland. Oh if they are so expensive then maybe you should review your motoring choices and go for a model with smaller tyres to be able to drive safely for yourself and others on the road.

For the ones who checks part worns visually and says they are good part worns, how do you check integrity of steel mesh in the tyre ? X-ray vision ?


/rant over

For there to be damage to the steel in the tyre, there should at least be some damage visibly present in the rubber, sidewall wear if from under inflation or damage if in the case of a crash/impact.
I heard on the radio tyreland do test their tryes electronically, dont know how, but to make that kind of statement on the radio and for anyone anywhere to make a counter claim that its not true, well its tantamount to defaming them, I wouldnt take the risk, I take it at face value they are doing it, If I bought a part worn tyre off them, Id certainly ask about it.
I doubt they could make that claim if they were doing nothing, otherwise they are risking an awful lot.



IMO, the end result is, either you arent happy with part worns/concerned about their history (dont buy them) or you are comfortable with buying them /happy with their history/trust your experience to see whats right and whats not (buy them).
In my actual experience on the road, new cheap no name brands are significantly worse than part worns that have no issues especially in the wet or poorer conditions.

I have never had issues with grip or skidding especially in the wet on good brand name part worn tyres.
I did spin on a cheap brand that I bought new, I was very lucky worse didnt come of it. I had other close calls in wet conditions on cheap brands, understeer or back end skidding out, only ever on no name cheap brands and never again, I thought back then I was on new tyres suitable for sale and use here, never again. No such problems on any tyre since.

Henry Ford III

So tyres that Germany say are dangerous are absolutely fine here?

Perhaps we should review our current limit and cut out these dangerous imports?

1874

Henry Ford III wrote: »

So tyres that Germany say are dangerous are absolutely fine here?

Perhaps we should review our current limit and cut out these dangerous imports?

I find it hard to belive tyres they consider dangerous are being exported for use, I doubt theyd allow that, you dont know for start if they are considered dangerous (just that they have different allowance for wear limits) .
Ive gotten virtually brand new continentals, as someone else mentioned, they had those rubber nubs from manufacturing still on them, one had a puncture in the tread, no different than getting a puncture here, they were great tyres

colm_mcm

Esel wrote: »

I think TyreLand say their part-worns are x-rayed. Last time I was there however, all they had were winter tyres.

I saw them fit two winter tyres on one side of a customer's car; leaving two regular tyres on the other side. Customer was not informed or consulted about this.

He might have already had winter tyres on the other side to be fair.

Esel

colm_mcm wrote: »

He might have already had winter tyres on the other side to be fair.

He didn't, though. I saw them.

MrMusician18

Ordinarily I wouldn't buy part worns to replace a set of tyres, but if I damage a tyre say by cutting the sidewall, I wouldn't have a problem with getting one. Especially if the tyre has a good bit of life left.

I try to match the wear with the remaining good tyre on the same axle too.