38kWh Ioniq

Mike9832 · 09-09-2019 2:29pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

True but the new Ioniq is going to be only a couple of grand short of the price of the e-niro/kona 64kwh models if the rumours on price are to be believed.

It's like they are doing everything in their power tto kill the car tbh, I genuinely think the Ioniq could be the fabled "EV for the people" if Hyundai wanted it to be but they clearly don't.

They could

A poor man's Tesla for the masses could of been

They've always been compliance cars

So no surprise

Hyundai Union head called EVs, a huge problem, evil he said, a disaster for jobs

That was only last year

McGiver · 09-09-2019 2:33pm

#rapidgate2
Oh the irony. Hope the Ioniq zealots will get a bit more modest now. Kidding of course but...

It's a great car but I hope we can stop all the willie measuring contests and Nissan bashing. Design issues are not limited to Nissan.

McGiver · 09-09-2019 2:36pm

KCross wrote: »

Im still confused how its so bad considering it has active liquid cooling. The old Ioniq only had air cooling. Active liquid cooling should have enabled much better charge rates.

Yeah but the battery will last a very long time on the other hand. Utility and comfort reduced but longevity increased. That's not a bad thing. Maybe that was the goal?

Mike9832 · 09-09-2019 2:37pm

McGiver wrote: »

#rapidgate2
Oh the irony. Hope the Ioniq zealots will get a bit more modest now. Kidding of course but...

It's a great car but I hope we can stop all the willie measuring contests and Nissan bashing. Design issues are not limited to Nissan.

Slowgate maybe

Doubt the Ioniq battery is heating up like Leaf one is, it's has liquid cooling

Leaf one goes from like 20c to 50c

One reporter said his feet had become hot from underfloor heating in Leaf

McGiver · 09-09-2019 2:40pm

Huge opportunity for VW. If they can deliver 48kW ID3 at €30k on the High volumes, with no design issues and high energy economy, it's going to be the EV version of the Beetle. And I think that's what they wanted to achieve.

Mike9832 · 09-09-2019 2:46pm

McGiver wrote: »

Huge opportunity for VW. If they can deliver 48kW ID3 at €30k on the High volumes, with no design issues and high energy economy, it's going to be the EV version of the Beetle. And I think that's what they wanted to achieve.

We would all hope so, but this is business

They'll sell just enough to meet regulations

A new improved Ioniq will be out before they ship real volume.

ID3 will be limited to 50kW charging in 48kWh model

No rocking boats

KCross · 09-09-2019 2:48pm

Mike9832 wrote: »

Doubt the Ioniq battery is heating up like Leaf one is, it's has liquid cooling

That will be interesting to see. I hope Bjorn does another test in Norway where he has the temp data displayed during the charge session.

Mike9832 wrote: »

Leaf one goes from like 20c to 50c

One reporter said his feet had become hot from underfloor heating in Leaf

So does the Ioniq 28kWh actually. He recently showed the battery at 42°C on its first rapid during his Ioniq battery degradation video. And that was on the first rapid!

KCross · 09-09-2019 3:15pm

Old diesel wrote: »

On price .

Ioniq wont be 30 k - it will be in region of 33/34 k in line with eNiro imo.

Probably.

The prices are available in the UK.

Old Ioniq - 28995 and 30795
New Ioniq - 32950 and 34950

So a £4k price increase for the new model and extra range!

Old Ioniq resale values will be rock solid if that comes to pass here.... which of course it will

09-09-2019 3:18pm

BMW didn't increase the price much for the 44 Kwh if I'm not mistaking ? but don't remember the exact figure.

I'm sure they could have increased charging power to at least 70 Kw the battery is ac cooled and I've never seen higher then 33 Deg C and at that it cools back down to 21 degrees quick enough.

slave1 · 09-09-2019 3:19pm

McGiver wrote: »

Huge opportunity for VW. If they can deliver 48kW ID3 at €30k on the High volumes, with no design issues and high energy economy, it's going to be the EV version of the Beetle. And I think that's what they wanted to achieve.

...and we can trust VW

krissovo · 09-09-2019 3:30pm

samih wrote: »

This could be intentional crippling in place to steer people for 64 kWh Kona and the I38 just inherited the trait.

This must be what is what is happening, its being software limited.

09-09-2019 3:31pm

krissovo wrote: »

This must be what is what is happening, its being software limited.

The majority of People probably won't be any wiser to the fact it charges at less power than the old Ioniq.

Orebro · 09-09-2019 3:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The majority of People probably won't be any wiser to the fact it charges at less power than the old Ioniq.

Unless they're paying per min as opposed to per kWh!

09-09-2019 3:49pm

Orebro wrote: »

Unless they're paying per min as opposed to per kWh!

lol only those from an old Ioniq will notice the difference though and those aware might not buy it at all like some people here.

Orebro · 09-09-2019 4:32pm

It's an awful backwards step in fairness, I like most others had high hopes for the car. What a machine it could have been.

KCross · 09-09-2019 5:28pm

What they should have done was stuck with the, presumably, cheaper 28kWh battery and increased production on that and forget about this "upgrade".

They'd probably have more margin on the smaller battery, more cars being sold and happier customers.

There are only 450 Ioniq's in the country so its tiny from a numbers perspective.
Hyundai sold twice that in long range Kona EV's this year alone! Maybe that says something... they want the higher margin EV's.

samih · 09-09-2019 5:38pm

Would make sense that Hyundai had to upgrade the car due to LG stopped making the old capacity cells. And the pack voltage had to be reduced a little bit as either the new cells were slightly thicker/liquid cooling robs space and/or the new cells have lower nominal voltage than before.

unkel · 10-09-2019 12:25am

ELM327 wrote: »

The Ioniq28 is now going to end up being a bit of a unicorn, much better charging speeds than anything else

If I wasn't set on my next EV being a longer range one, the Ioniq28 is so far ahead of anything else at its age, battery size and price bracket, that I wouldnt rule out going back to one!

If only we had a decent charging network. But that's looking quite promising now with Ionity and others. Was pleasantly surprised that Applegreen have put in two 50kW chargers at Birdhill. With all these new chargers, in a few months time I can go nearly anywhere in Ireland without relying on any ESB chargers (provided I have destination charging)

ELM327 · 10-09-2019 8:56am

unkel wrote: »

If only we had a decent charging network. But that's looking quite promising now with Ionity and others. Was pleasantly surprised that Applegreen have put in two 50kW chargers at Birdhill. With all these new chargers, in a few months time I can go nearly anywhere in Ireland without relying on any ESB chargers (provided I have destination charging)

Have to agree.
Been looking at this as a stopgap for a couple of years till the performance model X drop in price,
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev/22868326

I have the same attitude as you to charging, anything non-ecars

:D

Mickeroo · 10-09-2019 8:59am

ELM327 wrote: »

Have to agree.
Been looking at this as a stopgap for a couple of years till the performance model X drop in price,
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev/22868326

I have the same attitude as you to charging, anything non-ecars :D

Ah Jaysus, and it took so long to get your name off the owners list in the other thread

ELM327 · 10-09-2019 9:53am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Ah Jaysus, and it took so long to get your name off the owners list in the other thread

It's obviously meant to be

shanemkelly · 10-09-2019 10:01am

ELM327 wrote: »

Have to agree.
Been looking at this as a stopgap for a couple of years till the performance model X drop in price,
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev/22868326

I have the same attitude as you to charging, anything non-ecars :D

Mickeroo wrote: »

Ah Jaysus, and it took so long to get your name off the owners list in the other thread

ELM327 wrote: »

It's obviously meant to be

From Black to White, eh?

:D

Black_Knight · 10-09-2019 10:38am

ELM327 wrote: »

Have to agree.
Been looking at this as a stopgap for a couple of years till the performance model X drop in price,
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev/22868326

I have the same attitude as you to charging, anything non-ecars :D

Posted that in the ioniq thread. I've a suspicion that they're trading up with Kearys and trying to get a better price on the trade in through private sale. I've seen Kearys do that before, and back in April a clean 171 silver ioniq was for sale for 22k because the owner was trying to get a few quid more than Kearys were offering for trade in (I didn't buy because the colour wasn't to my liking).
That Ioniq has dropped 1k in price in a week. €22k should get it i'd imagine.

ELM327 · 10-09-2019 11:23am

Yeah, it is a good deal and less than I sold mine for so I'd be happy to buy on that front.
I'm still playing around with what to do after we close the house sale + purchase, but I think the private networks have put an Ioniq back on my map - unbelievably.

Only a 28kWh one though, wouldnt go near the new one.

Black_Knight · 10-09-2019 2:21pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Yeah, it is a good deal and less than I sold mine for so I'd be happy to buy on that front.
I'm still playing around with what to do after we close the house sale + purchase, but I think the private networks have put an Ioniq back on my map - unbelievably.

Only a 28kWh one though, wouldnt go near the new one.

38kw Ioniq might help maintain a cost price of €22k on the 28kw Ioniq for another year or so until you change up. Zero depreciation perhaps? 2017 ioniqs are still going for around €23+ in dealerships.

samih · 10-09-2019 3:43pm

The 38 kWh Ioniq has what extra 30 percent range per charge? Might be the difference between making it suitable without charging for those 200 km a day commuters (even at true motorway speed) that couldn't quite make the I28 work for them. And the liquid cooling should keep the battery degradation down for many years of trouble free long distance commuting.

ELM327 · 10-09-2019 4:02pm

samih wrote: »

The 38 kWh Ioniq has what extra 30 percent range per charge? Might be the difference between making it suitable without charging for those 200 km a day commuters (even at true motorway speed) that couldn't quite make the I28 work for them. And the liquid cooling should keep the battery degradation down for many years of trouble free long distance commuting.

200km a day is not possible all year round in the 38 either. Bjorn only got 160

Black_Knight · 10-09-2019 4:16pm

ELM327 wrote: »

200km a day is not possible all year round in the 38 either. Bjorn only got 160

Didn't Bjorn drive like a madman in that test? 130-140km/hr for lots of the trip?

ELM327 · 10-09-2019 4:24pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Didn't Bjorn drive like a madman in that test? 130-140km/hr for lots of the trip?

Drove at motorway speeds. If I'm doing 200km a day on a motorway I'll be doing at least 130 indicated. I did it for a couple of months before, not to be repeated! It's about 4-5 hours driving.

Mike9832 · 10-09-2019 5:07pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Drove at motorway speeds. If I'm doing 200km a day on a motorway I'll be doing at least 130 indicated. I did it for a couple of months before, not to be repeated! It's about 4-5 hours driving.

Yes

That's horrible alright

EV's and highspeed driving are a no no, they are crap at it

You'd need a Kona/Tesla etc to do 130/140km/h for city to city driving in Ireland

Even the Kona might not make Cork - Dublin at 140km/h

Bjorn had a good video once of a Model S 85 cruising on the autobahn at 200km/h ( big diesel cruising speed there )

The autobahn stretch was 40 km which he covered in 12 minutes

Consumption was 52kWh/100km

160km of range from a huge 85kWh pack

A similar ICE car like a 300bhp 3.0 diesel Audi A6 will do 15l/100km @ 200km/h, so 500km+ of range from it's 80l tank

38kWh Ioniq

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