Fox hunting

Airyfairy12

Why is it not banned?

Im staying with my parents for the weekend, they live in the countryside and today a large group of fox hunters with their hounds came charging down past the house which is on a busy country road and on a bad bend, they could have easily caused an accident.
Then they went into the field beside my parents and proceeded to chase a frightened little animal with their dogs. There has to be some level of psychopathy involved in this to brutally chase an animal and watch it being malled to death for fun.
If this wasnt bad enough they dont even warn the locals that they plan to hunt in the area. My parents have pet cats which regularly wander into the local fields during the day and could have easily been caught up in the hunt and on a Saturday afternoon, there's often people going for walks/runs on the road, to be met with a gang of hunters, horses and dogs charging down the road around dangerous bends could have resulted in someone being hurt.
I suppose its not surprising that the people who hurt animals for sport wouldnt have any consideration for locals or other road users but what I dont understand is why its not banned here?

Pkiernan

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Why is it not banned?

Im staying with my parents for the weekend, they live in the countryside and today a large group of fox hunters with their hounds came charging down past the house which is on a busy country road and on a bad bend, they could have easily caused an accident.
Then they went into the field beside my parents and proceeded to chase a frightened little animal with their dogs. There has to be some level of psychopathy involved in this to brutally chase an animal and watch it being malled to death for fun.
If this wasnt bad enough they dont even warn the locals that they plan to hunt in the area. My parents have pet cats which regularly wander into the local fields during the day and could have easily been caught up in the hunt and on a Saturday afternoon, there's often people going for walks/runs on the road, to be met with a gang of hunters, horses and dogs charging down the road around dangerous bends could have resulted in someone being hurt.
I suppose its not surprising that the people who hurt animals for sport wouldnt have any consideration for locals or other road users but what I dont understand is why its not banned here?

How many innocent songbirds and rodents are killed by your parents cats wandering free each day do you think?

Airyfairy12

Pkiernan wrote: »

How many innocent songbirds and rodents are killed by your parents cats wandering free each day do you think?

Its not the same thing at all, cats are instinctual, humans know better. Notice im not blaming the hunters dogs, im blaming the hunters.

davidk1394

Pkiernan wrote: »

How many innocent songbirds and rodents are killed by your parents cats wandering free each day do you think?

Yes I agree with you there. Cats should be done away with. Also I agree with hunting. It should be banned along with coursing

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I've absolutely no problem with hunting foxes.

I just think they should ban the useage of guns, dogs and horses while doing so.

gozunda

I suppose its not surprising that the people who hurt animals for sport wouldnt have any consideration for locals or other road users but what I dont understand is why its not banned here?

First presumptions. certainly some are also likley are 'locals.' Horses and riders are allowed on roads. Plenty get shot, hunted etc - all which is legal. They also get smashed on the same roads more often than hunted on a regular basis by said cars. 'sport' has many definitions including 'a physical activity undertaken outdoors' which funnily enough also includes shooting and fishing etc. Maybe have a word with them - if you're annoyed or whatever.

Airyfairy12

gozunda wrote: »

First presumptions. certainly some are also likley are 'locals.' Horses and riders are allowed on roads. Plenty get shot, hunted etc - all which is legal. They also get smashed on the same roads on a regular basis by said cars. 'sport' has many definitions including 'a physical activity undertaken outdoors' which funnily enough also includes shooting and fishing etc. Maybe have a word with them - if your annoyed.

Theres no problem with horses being on the road, but 10 - 20 of them charging down the road, taking up two lanes with just as many dogs running all over the place and potentially causing an accident is not the same thing.
Understandably animals get 'smashed' on the road, the difference is thats normally accidental, drivers dont chase down animals with their cars for 'fun', so again, not the same thing.

I dont agree with shooting either but again, its not the same thing.

Interesting how those in disagreement are clutching at straws trying to draw comparisons.

Cherry Blossom

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Its not the same thing at all, cats are instinctual, humans know better. Notice im not blaming the hunters dogs, im blaming the hunters.

No one was blaming the cats either, they were blaming your parents.

For the record I think fox hunting should be banned, equally so should allowing cats to roam. Dog owners are held accountable for damage to property, wildlife and persons. Cats should be no different. Your post is very hypocritical.

Heckler

I shoot targets don't hunt but have no problem with people who hunt and eat what they kill. I would have a problem with Lord Muck and his jaunty ***** blowing through my land (if I had land). Hear a lot of stories of these privileged pricks riding roughshod down main roads, over private land etc without a care in the world. Please God some farmer will stick a 12guage in their face and tell them to **** off.

gozunda

And where it's a bunch of locals and even farmers who are going out how's that work?. Hate the usual bs that anyone who rides hunts shoots etc is stuck up - complete biblllox. Btw around here anyway those who go out only go through land previously agreed before hand with me. Wouldn't be bothered listing to 'stories' either tbh.

Airyfairy12

Heckler wrote: »

I shoot targets don't hunt but have no problem with people who hunt and eat what they kill. I would have a problem with Lord Muck and his jaunty ***** blowing through my land (if I had land). Hear a lot of stories of these privileged pricks riding roughshod down main roads, over private land etc without a care in the world. Please God some farmer will stick a 12guage in their face and tell them to **** off.

The farmer who owns the land lives beside my parents, he was standing outside watching them giving out and shaking his head. There was nothing he could do. They couldnt care any less.

gozunda

Lots of things 'potentially' can cause accidents on small country roads including machinery trucks livestock. 10 riders is hardly a feckin gang tbh. That's why theres speed limits etc. Yeah people ride on roads big deal. Lock up your cats if they are out killing wildlife. As for fooking 'pets' ****ting in fields causing Neospora
etc. dont get me started. Competly unnecessary. There's plenty of ****e I don't like in the countryside. If your looking to ban all of it might be best elsewhere tbh. And mixing up words fun and sport there get a dictionary. Why the feck should everyone agere with anyones rant is beyond me tbh.

Airyfairy12

gozunda wrote: »

Lots of things 'potentially' can cause accidents on small country roads including machinery trucks livestock. 10 riders is hardly a feckin gang tbh. That's why theres speed limits etc. Yeah people ride on roads big deal. Lock up your cats if they are out killing wildlife. Competly unnecessary. There's plenty of ****e I don't like in the countryside. If your looking to ban all of it might be best elsewhere tbh. And your mixing up words fun and sport there get a dictionary. Why the feck should everyone agere with anyones rant is beyond me tbh.

Not all of it, im quite tolerant actually, just fox hunting, its not only cruel but dangerous to other road users and just to add there where allot more than 10 riders charging down a large, busy country road. Making light by suggesting its a small road just because its in the countryside is a lame attempt at minimizing their actions.

Heckler

gozunda wrote: »

And where it's a bunch of locals and even farmers who are going out how's that work?. Hate the usual bs that anyone who rides hunts shoots etc is stuck up - complete biblllox. Btw around here anyway those who go out only go through land previously agreed. Wouldn't be bothered listed to 'stories' either tbh.

Not saying everyone but there is a cadre of pricks who do it. Its a senseless, outdated "sport" to say the least. Game shooters I have no problem with. Running an animal into the ground is medieval. Big men on their literal high horses.

gozunda

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Not all of it, im quite tolerant actually, just fox hunting, its not only cruel but dangerous to other road users and just to add there where allot more than 10 riders charging down a large, busy country road. Making light by suggesting its a small road just because its in the countryside is a lame attempt at minimizing their actions.

Tell you what best keep pets out of farmers land. Dont see to many asking can their pets sh1ting and running around fields causing Neospora in farm animals, chase sheep etc etc. Btw hounds kill exactly the same way as fox kill hares and rabbits. And before you mention it gets torn up thats what exactly foxes do once dead. Maybe we should kill all the foxes for being 'cruel' to wildlife. Nambies in the countryside drives me fecking mad tbh.

Cherry Blossom

Houndless hunts seem to be all the rage up here now. No fox, no hounds, not sure what the difference is between that and going for a cross country hack. Drag hunting is something I did a few times when I had horses, very fast paced and mostly off road on established cross country courses. Can't imagine you'd get the same enjoyment out of the much slower paced fox hunt.

Airyfairy12

gozunda wrote: »

Tell you what best keep pets out of farmers land. Dont see to many asking can their pets **** and run around fields causing Neospora in farm animals, chase sheep etc etc. Btw hounds kill exactly the same way as fox kill hares and rabbits. And before you mention it gets torn up thats what exactly foxes do once dead. Maybe we should kill all the foxes for being 'cruel' to wildlife. Nambies in the countryside drives me fecking mad tbh.

Apologies, I should have been more specific in my original post, the hunters were infact chasing a rabbit, not a fox.

All animals hunt and kill, its their natural instinct, no amount of domestication will change that, again, its not the same thing.

Humans on the other hand, in a group of 15+ on big horses with a pack of dogs chasing a little frightened rabbit for fun does not come close to a little cat flaking out in a field.

I assume youre a fox hunter yourself as youre so defensive against anyone who disagrees with it.

Cherry Blossom

They certainly would not have been deliberately chasing a rabbit so actually a lot closer to the cat analogy than you think.

gozunda

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Apologies, I should have been more specific in my original post, the hunters were infact chasing a rabbit, not a fox. All animals hunt and kill, its their natural instinct, no amount of domestication will change that, again, its not the same thing.
Humans on the other hand, in a group of 15+ on big horses with a pack of dogs chasing a little frightened rabbit for fun does not come close to a little cat flaking out in a field. I assume youre a fox hunter yourself as youre so defensive against anyone who disagrees with it.

Assume away, I'm a farmer and people hunt for different reasons including predation and eating. And yes I find rabbit is very very tasty. If something is rubbish - dont expect that not to get called out. Thanks.

As for 'pets' keep them out of fields. Hypocrisy otherwise.

Airyfairy12

gozunda wrote: »

Assume away, I'm a farmer and people hunt for different reasons including predation and eating. And yes I find rabbit are very very tasty. Thanks.

As for 'pets' keep them out of fields. Hypocrisy otherwise.

If the farmer minded I would keep the cat out of his field but thankfully he doesn't, he has cats himself which regularly hang around my parents house and in the fields too. You worry about your fields, ill worry about my neighbor and how he feels.


They cant be kept inside as theyre indoor/outdoor cats, both of them were pulled out of a ditch as kittens and are miserable if kept inside for too long, theyre brought in at night. Theres been no complaints.

Heckler

gozunda wrote: »

Tell you what best keep pets out of farmers land. Dont see to many asking can their pets sh1ting and running around fields causing Neospora in farm animals, chase sheep etc etc. Btw hounds kill exactly the same way as fox kill hares and rabbits. And before you mention it gets torn up thats what exactly foxes do once dead. Maybe we should kill all the foxes for being 'cruel' to wildlife. Nambies in the countryside drives me fecking mad tbh.

Foxes kill hares and rabbits its nature. Running a fox into a hole by a bunch of twats on horses with hounds isn't nature. It costs a lot to own and keep horses so yeah it is the "Horsey" rich brigade who in the main indulge in this ridiculous excuse of a sport. And don't give me any bull**** about culling. The same folks who would claim to love their animal horses see no hypocrisy in killing other animals to satisfy their ****ed up bloodlust.

gozunda

Heckler wrote: »

foxes kill hares and rabbits its nature. Running a fox into a hole by a bunch of twats on horses with hounds isn't nature. It costs a lot to own and keep horses so yeah it is the "Horsey" rich brigade who in the main indulge in this ridiculous excuse of a sport. And don't give me any bull**** about culling. The same folks who would claim to love their animal horses see no hypocrisy in killing other animals to satisfy their ****ed up bloodlust.

Yup. Predators kill hares and rabbits exactly So no I don't see that as cruel either. That's the freekin point. More bolloxology about horsey 'rich'. around here it locals and farmers who have horses etc. Believe whatever bs you like people hunt shoot fish and yeah and death is in nature. What I cant stand is preachy eejits arriving out in the countryside giving out about farming, moving cattle on roads, the smell of slurry legal hunting act etc. Seems to infect their delicate sensibilities and stupid 'bloodlust' bolloxology beloved of those watching disney and think thats whats happens.

I'm sick to the back teeth of eejits complaining about just about everything which goes on in the countyside tbh. They're the ones to get off their high horses complaining about others whilst they see nothing wrong letting pets roam ****ting or chasing sheep.

Airyfairy12

gozunda wrote: »

Yup. Foxes kill hares and rabbits exactly So no I don't see that as cruel either. That's the freekin point. More bolloxology about horsey 'rich'. around here it locals and farmers etc. Believe whatever bs you like people hunt shoot fish and yeah and death is in nature. What I cant stand is preachy eejits arriving out in the countryside giving out about farming, moving cattle on roads, the smell of slurry legal hunting act etc. Seems to infect their delicate sensibilities and stupid 'bloodlust' bolloxology beloved of those watching disney and think thats whats happens.

I'm sick to the back teeth of eejits complaining about just about everything which goes on in the countyside tbh. They're the ones to get off their high horses complaining about others whilst they see nothing wrong letting pets roam ****ting or chasing sheep.

No one has said anything about cattle, slurry or anything else youve mentioned in your post. Why are you so angry?

gozunda

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

No one has said anything about cattle, slurry or anything else youve mentioned in your post. Why are you so angry?

You say you've 'had no complaints' about your pets running around some elses land. The point is that's no basis to have a go at others because you dont like something else. Well the farmer whose land to your using probably 'can't do anything' about your parents or whoever leaving their pets out and defecating and killing wildlife either which you are giving out about others doing.

As to your complaint about others legally using the roads - yeah I've heard the same bs about tractors, livestock and farm machinery so don't get me started on that either.

Do you even know what Neospora or Toxoplasmosis actually is? Do you care?

Heckler

gozunda wrote: »

You say you've 'had no complaints' about your pets running around some elses land. The point is that's no basis to have a go at others because you dont like something else. Well the farmer whose land to your using probably 'can't do anything' about your parents or whoever leaving their pets out and defecating and killing wildlife either.

As to your complaint about others legally using the roads - yeah I've heard the same bs about tractors, livestock and farm machinery so don't get me started on that either.

Do you even know what Neospora or Toxoplasmosis actually is? Do you care?

I understand what they both are and how it can be an infuriating problem. But Jeez fella take a breath and calm down.

Atoms for Peace

There seems to be an almost magnetic attraction for horses from utter knobs for some reason, especially from the extremes of the socio-economic classes and ethnic minorities.

Junkyard Tom

Hunting? **** off with that.

Airyfairy12

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

The farmer who owns the land lives beside my parents, he was standing outside watching them giving out and shaking his head. There was nothing he could do. They couldnt care any less.

All he has to do is inform the hunt that they’re not allowed on his land. Simples.

fergus1001

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote:

I just think they should ban the useage of guns, dogs and horses while doing so.

ok princess I'll pull out the chainsaw so

don't agree with dogs but guns are the most humane way of dispatching an animal while in the field

pconn062

[Deleted User] wrote: »

All he has to do is inform the hunt that they’re not allowed on his land. Simples.

I assume you're being sarcastic with that comment? I have lived in the country side my entire life and the hunt is very popular around here, and a few of my friends are land owners. No amount of telling then they are barred from land works. They regularly cut fences, break through ditches, open and close gates as they please. Trespassing is not something they can comprehend.

pconn062

pconn062 wrote: »

I assume you're being sarcastic with that comment? I have lived in the country side my entire life and the hunt is very popular around here, and a few of my friends are land owners. No amount of telling then they are barred from land works. They regularly cut fences, break through ditches, open and close gates as they please. Trespassing is not something they can comprehend.

I’m also a lifelong country dweller and only once can I recall them entering my families land. A severe talking to had them out within a week and the damage repaired. They can not and do not go where they are not allowed. Which is why you see them so often on the road.

fergus1001

pconn062 wrote:

I assume you're being sarcastic with that comment? I have lived in the country side my entire life and the hunt is very popular around here, and a few of my friends are land owners. No amount of telling then they are barred from land works. They regularly cut fences, break through ditches, open and close gates as they please. Trespassing is not something they can comprehend.

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Lu Tze

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m also a lifelong country dweller and only once can I recall them entering my families land. A severe talking to had them out within a week and the damage repaired. They can not and do not go where they are not allowed.

They follow the fox. The fox doesn't know what landowners have given permission. There was a long thread on the farming forum on this, seems it's more frequent than you are suggesting.

Lu Tze

Lu Tze wrote: »

They follow the fox. The fox doesn't know what landowners have given permission. There was a long thread on the farming forum on this, seems it's more frequent than you are suggesting.

I can only speak from personal experience.

whisky_galore

Pointless activity.

The last vestige of the 'big house' set. Think we would have gone beyond this in the 21st cent.

The Tetrarch

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

fox hunters with their hounds

What do the hounds eat? Think about it. Hint: not foxes.
It is like a magic misdirection trick. You are concerned about the fox.

Foxes are vermin and need to be kept under control. Fox hunting is an important activity in the control of foxes and it’s more of it we need not banning it.

Even if they don’t catch foxes they scare the s*it out of them and drive them around the place preventing them for building numbers in any one area. Foxes are responsible for spreading disease and killing lambs, hens etc etc anyone who doesn’t want them kept well under control hasn’t a clue.

The Tetrarch

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

There seems to be an almost magnetic attraction for horses from utter knobs for some reason, especially from the extremes of the socio-economic classes and ethnic minorities.

I own three horses with a fourth expected soon.
I can not ride a horse, and am from the lower middle-class.
There is a great interest in horses in Ireland.

Collie D

Carly Some Cervix wrote: »

Foxes are vermin and need to be kept under control. Fox hunting is an important activity in the control of foxes and it’s more of it we need not banning it.

Even if they don’t catch foxes they scare the s*it out of them and drive them around the place preventing them for building numbers in any one area. Foxes are responsible for spreading disease and killing lambs, hens etc etc anyone who doesn’t want them kept well under control hasn’t a clue.

No issue with vermin control. Shoot the things if they’re on your land killing your hens. Chasing them down country roads and across other people’s land and being a dangerous nuisance isn’t about vermin control.

Discodog

If we chased dogs, cows, sheep etc to the point of exhaustion & then ripped them apart it would be clearly seen as cruelty. The fox has exactly the same nervous system, feelings, fears but isn't protected by the law because it's classed as "vermin". By allowing some animals to be classified as vermin, as a sub animal, we allow fox hunting.

Even worse people refer to it as "sport".

The Tetrarch

People still concerned about chasing the fox, who usually escapes.
Nobody is concerned about horses, who are eaten by the dogs.

Discodog

The Tetrarch wrote: »

People still concerned about chasing the fox, who usually escapes.
Nobody is concerned about horses, who are eaten by the dogs.

Rubbish. Plenty are concerned about the welfare of horses. But horses aren't chased to death.

Poll Dubh

Ireland is a barbarous country - fox hunting, coursing, fur-farming, animal testing - we’ve got it all. Our neighbours across the water introduced fox-hunting here but have long since banned it

The Rape of Lucretia

Have you ever tried it OP?

Fox hunting is great fun. Those who hunt are people no better nor worse than those whi dont, and yet are perfectly happy to do so. Banning it would be a most unfair restriction of their rights. Sure, foxes are chased and killed. But from the perspective of some, usually those with a background or tradition if hunting, thats not a problem. They are entitled to that view.

Dont like fox hunting? Dont hunt.

There are few things I feel more strongly about than anti-anti-foxhunting.

gozunda

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

There seems to be an almost magnetic attraction for horses from utter knobs for some reason, especially from the extremes of the socio-economic classes and ethnic minorities.

The usual soundbites from some who dont have a clue. All types of people have horses. Are jockies 'knobs'. Are those people who breed and look after horses 'knobs? . As for hunting lots of different types of people hunt and not with horses either.. And there's the usual animal nutter brigade who know fek all and keep repeating the same rubbish about it being unnatural. I've seen hounds working and hounds kill the exact same way that foxes do. Quickly and efficiently. Horses chase nothing - they follow hounds. And yes just the same as foxes with hares rabbits gets tornnup once dead. Is it pretty? no its not. But then neither is smashed up foxes killed on roads for no other reason that people treat roads as racetracks for cars. - As for others using the roads - people have a feckin right to use the roads. If you have a problem report it - but no It's the usual attacking others because what you do is ok but hey let's attack others because your right jack.

Discodog

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Have you ever tried it OP?

Fox hunting is great fun. Those who hunt are people no better nor worse than those whi dont, and yet are perfectly happy to do so. Banning it would be a most unfair restriction of their rights. Sure, foxes are chased and killed. But from the perspective of some, usually those with a background or tradition if hunting, thats not a problem. They are entitled to that view.

Dont like fox hunting? Dont hunt.

There are few things I feel more strongly about than anti-anti-foxhunting.

I agree. Why don't we bring back bear baiting - that was fun ? Why shouldn't you have the right to torture an animal especially for fun :rolleyes:

whisky_galore

Discodog wrote: »

I agree. Why don't we bring back bear baiting - that was fun ? Why shouldn't you have the right to torture an animal especially for fun :rolleyes:

Yeah great old tradition that, some dog fighting and badger baiting, great craic.

Discodog

gozunda wrote: »

The usual soundbites from some who dont have a clue. All types of people have horses. Are jockies 'knobs'. Are those people who breed and look after horses 'knobs? . As for hunting lots of different types of people hunt and not with horses either.. And there's the usual animal nutter brigade who know fek all and keep repeating the same rubbish about it being unnatural. I've seen hounds working and hounds kill the exact same way that foxes do. Quickly and efficiently. Horses chase nothing - they follow hounds. And yes just the same as foxes with hares rabbits gets tornnup once dead. Is it pretty? no its not. But then neither is smashed up foxes killed on roads for no other reason that peoole treat roads as racetracks for cars. - As for others using the roads - people have a feckin right to use the roads. If you have a problem report it - but no It's the usual attacking others because what you do is ok but hey let's attack others because your right jack.

Good to see that you are still here defending the indefensible. A "Hunter" costs a fortune & keeping it costs even more. Yes there are the followers on their nags who try to ignore the yucky bit & use it as an excuse for a ride out.

Now who's the most ignorant ? The town dweller who can see that animal cruelty for fun is wrong or the man who tries to justify it ?

gozunda

Poll Dubh wrote: »

Ireland is a barbarous country - fox hunting, coursing, fur-farming, animal testing - we’ve got it all. Our neighbours across the water introduced fox-hunting here but have long since banned it

Yeah I hear that rubbish from the mad extremist anti brigade animal nutters over the water - who appear to have arrived here in numbers after they got run out of there by the police etc. The are same types of groups who attack farmers who attack anyone involved in animal agriculture, all types of hunting, the pharmaceutical industry etc. Btw hunting in Ireland has a much longer recorded history . Hunting with or without hounds was not introducrd it's part of culture here.. End of story. Dont like it tough. Report something if you thinks its against the law.

Poll Dubh

gozunda wrote: »

Done like it tough. Report something if you thinks its against the law.

When the majority comes around to seeing that fox-hunting should be banned then the law will be changed.

gozunda

Poll Dubh wrote: »

When the majority comes around to seeing that fox-hunting should be banned then the law will be changed.

Yeah sure lets ban everything someone disagrees with. This week it was banning people from eating meat according to a report funded by one bunch of animal rights extremists nutters which made the news.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/gunhild-stordalen-the-flying-hypocrite/news-story/03acfe5fdced8d5adf97a01b06d4bbbf