Fox hunting

Discodog

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

And if fox hunting was banned what do you propose is done with a few thousand hounds nationwide

Another old chestnut. It's simple. If you own a dog you are responsible for it's welfare throughout the whole of it's life. The law now dictates that you must provide for the needs of each dog.

If you choose to own a pack of dogs then you are still responsible for their welfare. You can't just kill them like the fox.

The same rules apply to your horse as well.

anewme

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

It was a genuine question which went unanswered.my own belief is that if a person eats meat they should be fully aware of the process involved in putting that meat on a plate and accept all that goes with the process in order to produce meat.
How many of the same people who eat meat would be able and willing to kill and butcher an animal if they had to without having someone else do it for them and produce it in a nice little packet.hypocrisy and a blind belief in the magic bullet goes a long way in providing comfort to the selective blind if you ask me.

I didn’t think the question warranted an answer but no, I don’t eat meat. I eat eggs (only from my friend who rescued hens from a battery farm and gave them a bit of a life ) and I’m happy with that.

Ohh and I use almond or oat mik.

anewme

Discodog wrote: »

It's probably unanswered as it has nothing to do with a mob chasing a fox until it is exhausted purely for fun.

Exactly this.

The answer is no though, I don’t eat meat, but I see that as my own beliefs and nothing to do with Fox or any hunting.

mulbot

gozunda wrote: »

Yes that's where your argument fails. Wildlife gets killed indiscriminately by people all the time. And no one gives a sh1te. But hey bring in hounds to disperse wildlife or to take out a problematic predator as requested by sa landowner and all hell breaks loose. Why is that? You do know that a lot of hunting is done on foot with hounds - So I gather your ok with that then?
And the deliberate targeting by shooters etc is also ok as well? It's just the horses you have a problem with - yeah? What is it you hate about horses?

My argument doesn't fail, yes animals get killed on roads etc. However, the difference is that this is not done deliberately for fun. It's very simple,and I detest anything to do with anyone using hounds etc to target an animal. Its barbaric and completely inhumane.

Unearthly

Suddenly being a vegetarian or vegan gives you plus points.

That's how I know these pro animal cruelty hunters are losing the argument because I've been in regular 'debates' with these pro hunters over not eating meat and can tell you they do not respect that choice at all

Just trying to nitpick at people to help hide their shameful pastime

Ruraldweller56

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

They're best admired down through the scope of a rifle with a lamp on them if they are causing you bother with your livestock or fowl.
Hunting on horseback in Ireland goes back generations.it is a tradition and they used to provide valuable service to farmers by collecting fallen stock and disposing them by feeding to hounds.this has since been stopped by the geniuses running the country and farmers now have to pay to dispose of fallen stock.
The hunt also used to provide protection to sheep and poultry farmers incomes by keeping check on predators.
You could also argue that they provide employment to vets and farriers who care for the horses and kennel staff.
They also keep the foxhound breed alive as a species which would otherwise have no place in society.
The hunt catch very few foxes and in fact aim to chase the fox and therefore hunt them over walls etc as opposed to just going out on a mass fox murder.if they caught and killed every fox the field would complain about the lack of hunting.
Another interesting point is that the majority of foxes killed are either old or injured and by removing these the overall health of the fox population is improved.
As for the argument that the hunt is blasting through land and upsetting farmers this is not true.prior permission to hunt the land is sought from the landowners prior to the season starting and a team go through the land following the hunt to repair any damage done by horses or hounds

I'm not trying to argue against hunting foxes. I know farmers who do it for the reasons you've outlined.

My only gripe is with the tossers who play dress up and block the road and that is dangerous. A lot of this nonsense goes on where I live so I've experienced it first hand. It also usually comprises of your stereotypical loudmouth GAA, parking their 191 car at the front door of mass types.

I've asked already what gives these people any right to stop traffic on a public road and I've been given an answer yet.

And I know of at least one case where they did go into a farmers land without their permission and caused wreck. Knocked fences and left gates open.

gozunda

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

First of all get off your high horse (pun intended) before you fall. Blustering and pontificating won’t make you anymore correct in your point of view.
Secondly how many times does it need to be said that there is a world of difference between a wild animal acting on instinct and doing what is necessary for it to survive and a pack of hounds hunting and killing on the orders of people for their own personal enjoyment.
Look if you want to spend your Sunday afternoons terrorizing defenseless creatures and allowing them to be torn apart for your own sick pleasure go ahead but can you at least be man enough to acknowledge the Hunt for what it is?

Well your pun could only only be correct where there is a horse (and a 'high' one at that lol) of course. Many hunts operate on foot. This however never seems to prevent the use of such stupid hyperbole about horses by some. But there you go. Much of those who criticise get it wrong due to daft assumptions of what they 'think' happens.

Unfortunately as to your comment there is nothing there but incorrect opinion on the mattter. As clearly stated when hounds do occasionally kill - they do so in the exact same way foxes do - quickly and efficiently. I agree that it is instinctive and it is this infact which makes hunting with hounds so effective. Again you're sole presumption of 'personal enjoyment (sic) is incorrect as hounds are there to do a job - whether that is disperse foxes or occasionally remove a problematical one. Do the hounds enjoy doing what is instinctive? Yes they do. The huntsman job is to ensure that hounds work well. The only thing which gets 'torn apart' is the truth massacred by those who fail to understand this. And yes foxes will also tear up a carcass after death. Ditto hounds. Is it pretty? No. Does it effect your urban sensibilities? It would appear so.

As for 'spending "Sunday (insert hyperbole here) etc Again the evident lack of comprehension and some daft assumptions. Sunday's? Lol. "sick pleasure"? Do you have such "sick pleasure" when killing rats for example? Is that a rat by your reckoning 'a defenceless creature'(sic)?. Even if you don't kill rats yourself - others do so on your behalf. And that makes much of what you say all the more hypocritical.

gozunda

Ruraldweller56 wrote: »

I'm not trying to argue against hunting foxes. I know farmers who do it for the reasons you've outlined. My only gripe is with the tossers who play dress up and block the road and that is dangerous. A lot of this nonsense goes on where I live so I've experienced it first hand. It also usually comprises of your stereotypical loudmouth GAA, parking their 191 car at the front door of mass types.
I've asked already what gives these people any right to stop traffic on a public road and I've been given an answer yet. And I know of at least one case where they did go into a farmers land without their permission and caused wreck. Knocked fences and left gates open.

Yes as a farmer landowners sometimes do need to either disperse or deal with a fox and Imo hounds are often the best way to do so. As for 'dress up' those who follow the hounds tend to wear what is suitable. Ie either a wool jacket or on horseback then riding breeches and a safety hat. Much the same for as footballers etc wear shorts etc. As far as I'm aware there is sometimes some tradition about a different colour for those in charge of hounds.

Around here whenever there is any group whether road boles a match or hunt then yes cars can be a nuisance. Are their idiots out there? Yes there are but in my own experience most people in the countryside are courteous and will move etc if it is said to them. Though I wouldn't be afraid to report something if I thought there was a genuine problem. Here the hunts secure permission for access first. I believe you that on occasion this may not be so - but the landowner has an absolute right to seek redress etc. Most of those I know would not hesitate to apologise but then again there maybe the occasional one that doesn't. In which I would complain directly to those responsible.

brianmax88

Marengo wrote: »

When an animal kills another naturally, that's nature.

When overweight middle aged 'gentlemen' organise the killing of defenceless animals as sport, that's barbaric.

Plenty of other sports to engage in. That might mean they'd have to do a bit of running themselves rather than the horse.

Humans organise the route and look after rhe hounds and follow them to proyect livestock. It is the hounds which are animals that do the hunting which is their nature. As for horses they are built to run. What would you do with them? Leave them in afield grazing their whole life? They wouldnt live long because they would be die from obesity if they weren't exercised.

The Tetrarch

Discodog wrote: »

I have already said that I support a gradual faze out. I am sure that most horses are well looked after but there are serious bad issues with racing mainly caused by betting.

I have no problem with equestrian sports like show jumping.

Your comment about Greyhounds is ridiculous. They existed long before racing. In the 1930s they were considered a fashion accessory by wealthy women.

You will have to explain to us the "serious bad issue with racing mainly caused by betting".
How many horses race, how many races are run (totals), and how many bad issues with betting (numbers)?

I am surprised you have no issues with show jumping. Jumping is not a natural trait of horses.
The great Italian horse breeder Federico Tesio visited a friend's farm, a friend who trained steeplechasers. Tesio noticed at meal time that the horses congregated at a gate waiting to be let out so they could go and eat. The field was fenced at a height of a few feet. None of the horses jumped the fence, although they had jumped much bigger obstacles in races. He concluded that jumping was not a natural activity for a horse.

They will not jump unless taught to jump, and then will not jump unless they have to jump. You might say that if a rider falls off a horse in a race the horse will jump fences afterwards. That is because it is a herd animal and wants to stay with the herd, the other horses in the race.

Change your mind about show jumping. "Equestrian sport" sound nice, but it is not a natural activity.

You want greyhound racing phased out. That equates to wanting racing greyhounds eliminated. Think your ideas through to a conclusion.

garv123

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Shooting is fine , if you can do one clean shot ( most can’t .)

Care to elaborate ?

gozunda wrote: »

Yes as a farmer landowners sometimes do need to either disperse or deal with a fox and Imo hounds are often the best way to do so.

How many foxes a year do you get on your hunt? Rifle and a lamp would be 100 times better.
Im not against the hunt, but your clutching at straws now claiming its a better method to control foxes than shooting. I cant think of 1 reason how it would be a better way.

gozunda

garv123 wrote: »

Care to elaborate ?
How many foxes a year do you get on your hunt? Rifle and a lamp would be 100 times better.
Im not against the hunt, but your clutching at straws now claiming its a better method to control foxes than shooting. I cant think of 1 reason how it would be a better way.

That's the thing. It's not about taking out loads of foxes. It's more about managing populations locally. Landowners will sometimes ask that a fox which is causing problems be removed. So theres no fixed number. Other times it just a case of dispersing foxes and making them human and livestock shy which hunting is very good way to do it. I'd agree if the goal was go clear out foxes the shooting would be the way to go. But most landowners I know don't want that either as it causes foxes from other areas to come in and repeat the cycle. Hunting also tends to account for more old and sick foxes as a young healthy fox (which is less likley to predate imo) will easily outrun hounds and be gone.

brianmax88

Unearthly wrote: »

Suddenly being a vegetarian or vegan gives you plus points.

That's how I know these pro animal cruelty hunters are losing the argument because I've been in regular 'debates' with these pro hunters over not eating meat and can tell you they do not respect that choice at all

Just trying to nitpick at people to help hide their shameful pastime

What about you not choosing to respect their decision to hunt. Its not just a pastime. It is part of country peoples culture passed on through generations. Its laughable that you think peiple who hunt are ashamed at what they do

gozunda

brianmax88 wrote: »

What about you not choosing to respect their decision to hunt. Its not just a pastime. It is part of country peoples culture passed on through generations. Its laughable that you think peiple who hunt are ashamed at what they do

What the most bizarre thing about the whole vegan thing is that many of the thinkers behind the movement (ie the movers and shakers) - are now seriously proposing that wild predators be completly eradicated so as to stop what they refer to as 'wild animal suffering' ie foxes killing rabbits etc.

So forget about hunts dispersing or taking out a couple of foxes. It will be the widespread eradication of foxes as a species instead. You do really sometimes have to wonder about the absolute lack of logic inherent in a movement which wants to dictate what others should do and what others should eat but who also now want to play God by dictating which species will be allowed to live on this planet ...

Bigbagofcans

brianmax88 wrote: »

What about you not choosing to respect their decision to hunt. Its not just a pastime. It is part of country peoples culture passed on through generations. Its laughable that you think peiple who hunt are ashamed at what they do

They will never have my respect - they're scum. How about these blood-thirsty people respect the foxes' lives instead?

Animal cruelty should never be seen as people's culture.

gozunda

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

They will never have my respect - they're scum. How about these blood-thirsty people respect the foxes' lives instead?Animal cruelty should never be seen as people's culture.

And that's your opinion. However its nothing to do with 'blood thirsty' whatever your having yourself. Where a landowner wants foxes dispersed or legal hunting and shooting should your personsal opinions or squimishness about 'foxes lives' override everyone else? The answer to that is no it doesn't.

AudreyHepburn

brianmax88 wrote: »

What about you not choosing to respect their decision to hunt. Its not just a pastime. It is part of country peoples culture passed on through generations. Its laughable that you think peiple who hunt are ashamed at what they do

It’s a decision that doesn’t deserve respect and saying it’s part of their culture is a cop out.

Animal cruelty is never acceptable.

gozunda

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

It’s a decision that doesn’t deserve respect and saying it’s part of their culture is a cop out. Animal cruelty is never acceptable.

Again whether that you think something is 'cruel' or otherwise is your opinion. Imo its not cruel - it is what it is. Hounds kill the same way as a fox does. It's a landowners decision at the end of the day. Not yours.

Bigbagofcans

gozunda wrote: »

Again whether that you think something is 'cruel' or otherwise is your opinion. Imo its not cruel - it is what it is. Hounds kill the same way as a fox does. It's a landowners decision at the end of the day. Not yours.

How is it not cruel? You're completely in denial and will go to any length to defend fox hunting.

Unearthly

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

How is it not cruel? You're completely in denial and will go to any length to defend fox hunting.

He lives a shameful life and it's clear to see the guilt is eating him

BattleCorp

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Apologies, I should have been more specific in my original post, the hunters were infact chasing a rabbit, not a fox.

Why is everybody getting their knickers in a twist? This was a fox hunt with no fox.

Bigbagofcans

BattleCorp wrote: »

Why is everybody getting their knickers in a twist? This was a fox hunt with no fox.

I'm not even referencing the OP's post, I'm condemning fox hunting in general. I will always get my knickers in a twist over this form of barbarism.

BattleCorp

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

I'm not even referencing the OP's post, I'm condemning fox hunting in general. I will always get my knickers in a twist over this form of barbarism.

I don't hunt but do you have a problem with a fox hunt that doesn't have a fox, such as a trail hunt?

Discodog

The Tetrarch wrote: »

You will have to explain to us the "serious bad issue with racing mainly caused by betting".
How many horses race, how many races are run (totals), and how many bad issues with betting (numbers)?

I am surprised you have no issues with show jumping. Jumping is not a natural trait of horses.
The great Italian horse breeder Federico Tesio visited a friend's farm, a friend who trained steeplechasers. Tesio noticed at meal time that the horses congregated at a gate waiting to be let out so they could go and eat. The field was fenced at a height of a few feet. None of the horses jumped the fence, although they had jumped much bigger obstacles in races. He concluded that jumping was not a natural activity for a horse.

They will not jump unless taught to jump, and then will not jump unless they have to jump. You might say that if a rider falls off a horse in a race the horse will jump fences afterwards. That is because it is a herd animal and wants to stay with the herd, the other horses in the race.

Change your mind about show jumping. "Equestrian sport" sound nice, but it is not a natural activity.

You want greyhound racing phased out. That equates to wanting racing greyhounds eliminated. Think your ideas through to a conclusion.

I already answered that pages ago. Greyhounds, as a breed, aren't dependent on racing.

Discodog

brianmax88 wrote: »

What about you not choosing to respect their decision to hunt. Its not just a pastime. It is part of country peoples culture passed on through generations. Its laughable that you think peiple who hunt are ashamed at what they do

I am a country person & it's never been part of my culture or the many country people that I know. Lots of things were part of our culture eg child labour but we grew up & realised that they were unacceptable.

Discodog

gozunda wrote: »

Again whether that you think something is 'cruel' or otherwise is your opinion. Imo its not cruel - it is what it is. Hounds kill the same way as a fox does. It's a landowners decision at the end of the day. Not yours.

It's also the opinion of many including vets. The RSPCA's Alex Ross, for the Campaign for the Protection of Hunted Animals, added: "We do not believe that foxes are a national pest or a national problem.

"We believe fox hunting is cruel and unnecessary. If there is a problem with a fox, then a skilled marksman is the only answer. But killing wild animals for pleasure should not be acceptable in this day and age."

Bigbagofcans

BattleCorp wrote: »

I don't hunt but do you have a problem with a fox hunt that doesn't have a fox, such as a trail hunt?

A trail hunt, is that like drag hunting? As long as the people on horses don't interfere with other people's property or pets/livestock then I don't think I'd have a problem.

AudreyHepburn

BattleCorp wrote: »

I don't hunt but do you have a probuulem with a fox hunt that doesn't have a fox, such as a trail hunt?

I’d definitely have a problem with it when it’s clear from examples given previously in the thread that hounds are not kept under any form of control.

If the hounds are controlled and people’s private property is respected then I have no problem with it.

AudreyHepburn

gozunda wrote: »

Again whether that you think something is 'cruel' or otherwise is your opinion. Imo its not cruel - it is what it is. Hounds kill the same way as a fox does. It's a landowners decision at the ende of the day. Not yours.

Hounds running a defenseless fox into exhaustion and tearing it apart whilst still alive isn’t cruel?

What planet to you live on? I’d hate to see what your idea of cruelty is.

gozunda

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Hounds running a defenseless fox into exhaustion and tearing it apart whilst still alive isn’t cruel?
What planet to you live on? I’d hate to see what your idea of cruelty is.

And thats is pure projection and and a very poor one at that. It's something you no obviously know nothing about and which you are pontificating on and on. The fox also tears apart what it kills once dead. So do hounds. That has been explained to you many times and yet you continue with the same rubbish. You also had no clue and tried to accuse the Bray terriers who are a Drag Hunt that they were hunting and had another go at english trail hunt.

Whatever planet you live on - Its not this one for sure.

gozunda

Unearthly wrote: »

He lives a shameful life and it's clear to see the guilt is eating him

Lol. The irony is amazing. You obviouly missed what was posted previously.

What the most bizarre thing about the whole vegan thing is that many of the thinkers behind the movement (ie the movers and shakers) - are now seriously proposing that wild predators be completly eradicated so as to stop what they refer to as 'wild animal suffering' ie foxes killing rabbits etc.

So forget about hunts dispersing or taking out a couple of foxes. It will be the widespread eradication of foxes as a species instead - by vegans! You do really sometimes have to wonder about the absolute lack of logic inherent in a movement which wants to dictate what others should do and what others should eat, wants to prevent well managed hunting but who now also want to play God by dictating which species will be allowed to live on this planet ...

AudreyHepburn

gozunda wrote: »

And thats is pure projection and and a very poor one at that. It's something you no obviously know nothing about and which you are pontificating on and on. The fox also tears apart what it kills once dead. Soup do hounds. That has been explained to you many times and yet you continue with the same rubbish. You also had no clue and tried to accuse the Bray terriers who are a Drag Hunt that they were hunting and had another go at english trail hunt.

Whatever planet you live on - Its not this one for sure.

Yes the fox tears it’s prey apart once dead. But the foxhounds do it while the prey is still alive.

Can you really not see the difference?

AllForIt

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Yes the fox tears it’s prey apart once dead. But the foxhounds do it while the prey is still alive.

Can you really not see the difference?

Well, how did the fox prey die in the first place?

gozunda

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Yes the fox tears it’s prey apart once dead. But the foxhounds do it while the prey is still alive.
Can you really not see the difference?

OK Once again for the hard of understanding. Foxes tear up what they've killed after it's dead. Hounds do the exact same thing. No difference whatsoever.

Your attempt to smear hounds as deranged horror hounds or something is hillarious.

Bigbagofcans

gozunda wrote: »

Lol. The irony is amazing. You obviouly missed what was posted previously.

What the most bizarre thing about the whole vegan thing is that many of the thinkers behind the movement (ie the movers and shakers) - are now seriously proposing that wild predators be completly eradicated so as to stop what they refer to as 'wild animal suffering' ie foxes killing rabbits etc

You're still harping on about vegans and you've hundreds of posts on the Vegan forum. I doubt a vegan would be able to post loads on the Hunting forum.

ollkiller

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

No one was blaming the cats either, they were blaming your parents.

For the record I think fox hunting should be banned, equally so should allowing cats to roam. Dog owners are held accountable for damage to property, wildlife and persons. Cats should be no different. Your post is very hypocritical.

I would love to know how you would go about stopping cats from roaming. Because once you let them outside they are gonna roam. It's just what they do.

Blazer

Cherry Blossom wrote: »

Dog owners are held accountable for damage to property, wildlife and persons. Cats should be no different. Your post is very hypocritical.

They’re cats, not bloody lions and tigers mauling sheep and people across the country.
Christ you read some fair ****e on here sometimes but the above takes the biscuit.

Deebles McBeebles

I find next door's cats learned very quickly to stay away from my garden so, if anyone has an issue with cats, get some dogs.

I do think cat owners should stick a bell on their cats, they get fed at home, there's no need for them to hunt birds etc.

Maybe we could do the same with human hunters.

gozunda

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

You're still harping on about vegans and you've hundreds of posts on the Vegan forum. I doubt a vegan would be able to post loads on the Hunting forum.

Afaik its an open discussion on boards - You can post where you like. And funnily enough there's more posts about farmers and farming and attacks on same than otherwise. Also plenty of vegans have posted on the farming forum. Is that strange eh?

And a number of self declared one have declared they're here and are pontificating about hunting is cruel etc and even some petty name calling. If they want ok. However I'm pointing the relevant fact and hypocrisy that the vegan movement movers and shakers want to completely eradicate wild predators because they believe that predators are 'cruel'. Now Where have I heard that before?

Feisar

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

A trail hunt, is that like drag hunting? As long as the people on horses don't interfere with other people's property or pets/livestock then I don't think I'd have a problem.

Maybe it was just a turn of phrase and I am not one to nit pick however you dont think you'd have a problem!?!

gozunda

Blazer wrote: »

They’re cats, not bloody lions and tigers mauling sheep and people across the country.
Christ you read some fair ****e on here sometimes but the above takes the biscuit.

The problem as highlighted previously are the known risks of Neospora or Toxoplasmosis to livestock from cats and dogs fouling in open fields. The OP appeared not to have given any thought on the issue. Hence the comments.

Bigbagofcans

Feisar wrote: »

Maybe it was just a turn of phrase and I am not one to nit pick however you dont think you'd have a problem!?!

What's your issue exactly?

Discodog

Blazer wrote: »

They’re cats, not bloody lions and tigers mauling sheep and people across the country.
Christ you read some fair ****e on here sometimes but the above takes the biscuit.

The cat thing is bizarre. Lots of so called animal lovers say that cats should be kept under control. The new Animal Welfare Act states that you must provide safeguards for the health and welfare of the animal. In some countries a lot of cats live permanently in the house but you would have to wonder if that would comply with the law here.

Feisar

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

What's your issue exactly?

Basically that in an instance described that no harm was being done to anyone or anything that you might not have a problem with someone else's pastime.

Not out for a huge arguement on it however it comes across as very entitled sounding.

Unearthly

gozunda wrote: »

Lol. The irony is amazing. You obviouly missed what was posted previously.

What the most bizarre thing about the whole vegan thing is that many of the thinkers behind the movement (ie the movers and shakers) - are now seriously proposing that wild predators be completly eradicated so as to stop what they refer to as 'wild animal suffering' ie foxes killing rabbits etc.

So forget about hunts dispersing or taking out a couple of foxes. It will be the widespread eradication of foxes as a species instead - by vegans! You do really sometimes have to wonder about the absolute lack of logic inherent in a movement which wants to dictate what others should do and what others should eat, wants to prevent well managed hunting but who now also want to play God by dictating which species will be allowed to live on this planet ...

The only wild predators I'd be in favour of being extinct are the likes of yourself and your hunting pals

Doctors room ghost

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Yes the fox tears it’s prey apart once dead. But the foxhounds do it while the prey is still alive.

Can you really not see the difference?

Go on you tube and there's plenty of evidence on how a fox kills its prey.it doesn't cast a spell and magic it dead. They cause mayhem around lambs and fowl

Doctors room ghost

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

A trail hunt, is that like drag hunting? As long as the people on horses don't interfere with other people's property or pets/livestock then I don't think I'd have a problem.

Here's one of the easily offended commenting on a subject which they need verification on what it is they are actually responding to,stating in a self entitled way that they might not be offended by someone else's pass time depending on what that pass time actually is.a classic

Sheep breeder

gozunda wrote: »

You have to be having a laugh

The Bray Harriers Hunt? It's a freekin drag hunt. No foxes are hunted. A once off accident. How many foxes get smashed by fookers in cars?

Have to disagree with you that this was not a once off accident, several cases of hounds being lost around this time and the hunt master has since gone. This case of the hunt riding into these people’s property and not going back to sort until it was too late.

Sheep breeder

gozunda wrote: »

You know what a drag hunt is? Or do I have to explain no foxes are hunted. Pets and domestic animals get smashed on roads all the time but I see no complaints from the like of youse. Typical hypocritical bs from English inspired anti rubbish. The drag hunt apologised. More than most motorists would bother doing ffs.

The hunt apologised when they were forced to and only then.

gozunda

Discodog wrote: »

I am a country person & it's never been part of my culture or the many country people that I know. Lots of things were part of our culture eg child labour but we grew up & realised that they were unacceptable.

Depends what century and what country tbh. Industrial child labour was part of the industrial revolution - something I certainly never experienced in my lifetime growing up here anyway. We did have 'industrial' schools and hellish mother and baby homes - the leftover from victorian catholic hiarchy and puritancial domination. Ditto country - this is no little england and definitly do not want the class war bull**** beloved of many antis in england which goes on there - being spread here either. Mais c'est la vie.