Fox hunting

Marengo

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Shinner :D:D:D

You haven't the knowledge to argue. Smilies! #Uneducated

Uinseann_16

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

What method would you propose for vermin control so in relation to problem predators in a rural environment

Hunts only catch foxes very rarely they usually go home empty handed its not vermin control their doing, thats done by lads with rifles and shotguns
Thats a major point people miss they dont kill a fox every time they go out and most "hunts" dont even have hounds these days.The biggest "problem" with hunts nowadays isnt the hunts its people who move from cities/towns to rural areas and expect people to change to appease them and their views

skooterblue2

Marengo wrote: »

You haven't the knowledge to argue. Smilies! #Uneducated

What you gonna do? Knee cap me, Derry style?

Marengo

skooterblue2 wrote: »

What you gonna do? Knee cap me, Derry style?

Try and get back on your horse POM!

Marengo

skooterblue2 wrote: »

What you gonna do? Knee cap me, Derry style?

When you lose an argument you post crap like that Scutterboy!

anewme

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

If the cats were secured properly the hounds wouldn't have been able to get near them

So this dog should not have been in its own garden because of the hunt.?

Can people not have their pets on their own land.?

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklowpeople/news/family-dog-killed-by-pack-of-hunt-hounds-30942744.html

gozunda

anewme wrote: »

Lot of lame excuses for having fun in ripping an animal and its babies apart. For fun. Humans destroy everything in their path and wont stop till it's all gone.There have been too many animals driven to the brink because of man, one thing is consistent- the fight is never fair.

Ah would ye fekoff. Nothing gets 'ripped apart" unless it's dead - no more than those smashed on roads. No babies - foxes when hunted in winter only and only when land owners ask. Agree humans are destructive barstewarsds. Amount of wildlife killed on roads is appalling. However fox populations here are doing very well btw. Funny that. In the UK after the ban they are being decimated.

VeryTerry

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Shinners out in force...... You do know Martin McGuinness was known as "the Fisherman"?

Any proper fisherman tries not to kill anything.

Marengo

skooterblue2 wrote: »

What you gonna do? Knee cap me, Derry style?

No knowledge. Your just a puppet with no knowledge of history, ethics, philosophy, politics. Do you actually know anything bar calling people 'Shinner' and speaking about knee cappings? Is that all you've got?

You're IQ must be.. No need to speculate.

skooterblue2

VeryTerry wrote: »

Any proper fisherman tries not to kill anything.

News to me because I am always buying fish on Friday

anewme

gozunda wrote: »

Ah would ye fekoff. Nothing gets 'ripped apart" unless it's dead - no more than those smashed on roads. No babies - foxes when hunted in winter only and only when land owners ask. Agree humans are destructive barstewarsds. Amount of wildlife killed on riads is appalling. However fox populations here are doing very well btw. Funny that. In the UK after the ban they are being decimated.

Yes they do.

Here's what happened to one family dog who got in the way.

Are you saying the court is lying.?

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklowpeople/news/family-dog-killed-by-pack-of-hunt-hounds-30942744.html

VeryTerry

skooterblue2 wrote: »

News to me because I am always buying fish on Friday

Do you think McGuinness was out on a trawler?

skooterblue2

Marengo wrote: »

No knowledge. Your just a puppet with no knowledge of history, ethics, philosophy, politics. Do you actually know anything bar calling people 'Shinner' and speaking about knee cappings? Is that all you've got?

You're IQ must be.. No need to speculate.

"Your" dear, if you must can you use the Queens English please.

skooterblue2

VeryTerry wrote: »

Do you think McGuinness was out on a trawler?

That was not the reference, it was something else.

VeryTerry

skooterblue2 wrote: »

That was not the reference, it was something else.

What was it?

Marengo

skooterblue2 wrote: »

What you gonna do? Knee cap me, Derry style?

I see you're talking about winter milking. Typical flat land dairy farmer. Ye're as soft as sh*te.

I'm a farmer in land above 1,000ft where the air is 4c colder. None of ye low land boys would cut it up here.

Ye're all oul blue shirts who think ye're big shots driving around in 4x4s. Manys a time on a sports field I went through ye like a knife through butter.

#soft #never did anything for the country's independence

Marengo

skooterblue2 wrote: »

"Your" dear, if you must can you use the Queens English please.

You probably don't have an iPhone that changes practically every word.

#soft fat dairy farmer

skooterblue2

VeryTerry wrote: »

What was it?

"The Fisherman" was the top informant for MI5 in Sinn Fein. It was rumoured to be Martin McGuinness. The file is sealed.

gozunda

Marengo wrote: »

A lot of West Brit, Anglophile wannabe about the whole charade.

Was Daniel O'Connel who liked his hunting a 'west brit', are Kerry beagles British ? Was Cú Chulainn a feckin vegan? Absolute rubbish spread by english antis and others who are still telling the Irish what to do nearly a hundred years after independence ... Hunt on boys and ignore the shinners ..

Marengo

skooterblue2 wrote: »

"Your" dear, if you must can you use the Queens English please.

Get off your horse fox chasing and do a bit of exercise to harden you up. I can feel the middle age spread from here blueshirt.

skooterblue2

Marengo wrote: »

You probably don't have an iPhone that changes practically every word.

#soft fat dairy farmer

So looking forward to a lecture on Capitalism from someone on an iPhone.

Marengo

gozunda wrote: »

Was Daniel O'Connel a 'west brit', are Kerry beagles British ? Was Cú Chulainn a feckin vegan? Absolute rubbish spread by English antis who are still telling the Irish what to do nearly a hundred years after independence ....

Skooterblue is one though.

Daniel O'Connell was a shrewd politician. His family kept close to the English to keep Derrynane. Not many Catholic families held such estates.

gozunda

anewme wrote: »

Yes they do.
Here's what happened to one family dog who got in the way.Are you saying the court is lying.?
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklowpeople/news/family-dog-killed-by-pack-of-hunt-hounds-30942744.html

You have to be having a laugh

The Bray Harriers Hunt? It's a freekin drag hunt. No foxes are hunted. A once off accident. How many foxes get smashed by fookers in cars?

Marengo

I'm a very country man. I'm no D4 telling country people how to live.

But fox hunting... No. Take up something else.

anthony777

'And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.' KJV - Genesis Chapter 1, Verse 25.

God will have the last say on how we have treated His animals. Good luck with that folks...

Marengo

skooterblue2 wrote: »

So looking forward to a lecture on Capitalism from someone on an iPhone.

You won't get it here. I couldn't be ars*d.

VeryTerry

gozunda wrote: »

Was Daniel O'Connel a 'west brit', are Kerry beagles British ? Was Cú Chulainn a feckin vegan? Absolute rubbish spread by English antis who are still telling the Irish what to do nearly a hundred years after independence ....

Daniel O'Connell was the definition of a West Brit. He never wanted Ireland to leave. He only wanted Home Rule.

anewme

gozunda wrote: »

You have to be having a laugh

The Bray Harriers Hunt? It's a freekin drag hunt. No foxes are hunted. A once off accident. How many foxes get smashed by fookers in cars?

What would you find funny or having a laugh about.?


A family pet was savaged by an out of control baying hunt. What's funny or having a laugh here.?

That's not an accident.

Its not a one off either, Google is your friend you can see how many family pets have fallen foul to hunts. Lot of "accidents"

It's a long list.

So cats should not be out, even in their own land in a sanctuary, a tiny dog savaged in front of its owner is "an accident"

Its clear the dog owner did not see it that way. Nor should he.

Lots of lame excuses.

gozunda

VeryTerry wrote: »

Daniel O'Connell was the definition of a West Brit. He never wanted Ireland to leave. He only wanted Home Rule.

Absolute bull****e. Daniel O'Connel was an Irish patriot. Unless it doesn't suit the politics of some. I absolutely love the new Irish Politics which take into account the opinions of english Antis telling the Irish what to do ...

Couldn't make it up

Time

gozunda wrote: »

You have to be having a laugh

The Bray Harriers Hunt? It's a freekin drag hunt. No foxes are hunted. A once off accident. How many foxes get smashed by fookers in cars?

As someone who used to hunt, reckless behaviour and absolute disregard for containing the hunt to the bounds of land they have permission to be on is rampant. And that example is definitely not a once off example of bad behaviour, two minutes of googling and i found

This

this

and this

and those are just from one news site, while they might not all involve the killing of an animal that was not the fox (of which i know of at least two more cases), they're all instances of trespassing, now unless the law has changed in the last 5 minutes, trespassing is still a tort.



EDIT - here's one involving a pet

gozunda

anewme wrote: »

What would you find funny or having a laugh about.? A family pet was savaged by an out of control baying hunt. What's funny or having a laugh here.?That's not an accident.Its not a one off either, Google is your friend you can see how many family pets have fallen foul to hunts. Lot of "accidents"It's a long list.So cats should not be out, even in their own land in a sanctuary, a tiny dog savaged in front of its owner is "an accident"Its clear the dog owner did not see it that way. Nor should he.
Lots of lame excuses.

You know what a drag hunt is? Or do I have to explain no foxes are hunted. Pets and domestic animals get smashed on roads all the time but I see no complaints from the like of youse. Typical hypocritical bs from English inspired anti rubbish. The drag hunt apologised. More than most motorists would bother doing ffs.

Time

gozunda wrote: »

You know what a drag hunt is? Or do I have to explain no foxes are hunted. Pets and domestic animals get smashed on roads all the time but I see no complaints from the like of youse. Typical hypocritical bs from English inspired anti rubbish. The drag hunt apologised. More than most motorists would bother doing ffs.

The difference is that the motorist who knocks down an animal loose on the road isn't breaking the law, the hunt is, and do you honestly think an apology is going to be ok to a family who just saw their beloved pet mauled to death?

mulbot

gozunda wrote: »

You know what a drag hunt is? Or do I have to explain no foxes are hunted. Pets and domestic animals get smashed on roads all the time but I see no complaints from the like of youse. Typical hypocritical bs from English inspired anti rubbish. The drag hunt apologised. More than most motorists would bother doing ffs.

People don't go out in their cars to purposely kill animals on the road for fun, seriously, what a rediculous argument that is.

anewme

gozunda wrote: »

You know what a drag hunt is? Or do I have to explain no foxes are hunted. Pets and domestic animals get smashed on roads all the time but I see no complaints from the like of youse. Typical hypocritical bs from English inspired anti rubbish. The drag hunt apologised. More than most motorists would bother doing ffs.

Ahh, so once they apologised, that makes it all ok.

No it does not.

This Pet owner minded his little dog, it was not out in the road to be run over, so not sure where motorists are relevant.

Out of control hunt killed beloved family on its own property, not in any way a one off, keep making excuses.

WinnyThePoo

gozunda wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Fox hunting is specifically designed for cowards.

And complaining about the tiny number of foxes displaced or killed is for eejits.

Many many more are shot or killed on our roads. Where's the outcry? Their isn't. Yes the same anti crowd using hunting on horse back as a cause celebre to promote thrmselves. Wait until other crowds turn up demanding you can't drive your car or they don't want you eating whst ever you choose to eat & see how you like it.

Haha

Your throwing siht against a wall hoping it sticks.

gozunda

Time wrote: »

As someone who used to hunt, reckless behaviour and absolute disregard for containing the hunt to the bounds of land they have permission to be on is rampant. And that example is definitely not a once off example of bad behaviour, two minutes of googling and i found
Thisthisand thisand those are just from one news site, while they might not all involve the killing of an animal that was not the fox (of which i know of at least two more cases), they're all instances of trespassing, now unless the law has changed in the last 5 minutes, trespassing is still a tort.

Why are you on about. Are you and english anti or something?
First story fox gets killed. It's legal. Unfortunate about being a garden
Second story. Hounds with foot followers only.
Third story. Some poor hound get smashed by train.
Whats you freekin point?

Hunts with hounds horses or not generally ask landowners for permission. Do accidents happen - yes they do. Just like on with other animals. But hey that doesn't matter - because the bs propaganda.

anewme

gozunda wrote: »

the like of youse..

And therein lies your problem.

WinnyThePoo

gozunda wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Fox hunting is specifically designed for cowards.

Hounds are cowards now are they? You'd better tell them so ... What about the feckers who mow down wildlife in their fancy cars? What about the eradication of vermin by pest control companies - is that all right by you - now that everyone has to ask your opinion?

Nope. There's no responsibility on the hounds. Unless they are making the decision to go out hunting. Which there not.

The cowards are the humans. Which is explicit in the post.

Again your trying to throw **** against a wall, but none of it is sticking.

gozunda

mulbot wrote: »

People don't go out in their cars to purposely kill animals on the road for fun, seriously, what a rediculous argument that is.

And neither did the 'Bray Harriers ' they are a Drag Hunt. Do you understand what a Drag Hunt is?. Or do we have to explain that as well?

VeryTerry

gozunda wrote: »

Absolute bull****e. Daniel O'Connel was an Irish patriot. Unless it doesn't suit the politics of some. I absolutely love the new Irish Politics which take into account the opinions of english Antis telling the Irish what to do ...

Couldn't make it up

I didn't say he wasn't a patriot. He didn't want to leave the union though.

mulbot

gozunda wrote: »

And neithet did the 'Bray Harriers ' they are a Drag Hunt. Do you understand?

Never said they did.

AudreyHepburn

gozunda wrote: »

Because it's not. Because hunting results in very few kills. It's about managing fox / predator populations when it needs be. There's a hell of more important ****e to deal with than snowflakes opinions on ickle wickle foxes.

As for the OP they claim to be happy to release their pets on farmers land which kill wilfldlife whilst giving out about dogs being used to manage foxes and don't see the hypocrisy ...

How many more times does it need to be said that if you were truly concerned about managing populations of animals then you would find a humane way to do it.

Chasing a defenseless creature into exhaustion and then allowing it to be ripped apart by dogs is not managing anything.

The Hunt is about bloodlust and the enjoyment of the kill, nothing more.

gozunda

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Nope. There's no responsibility on the hounds. Unless they are making the decision to go out hunting. Which there not. The cowards are the humans. Which is explicit in the post. Again your trying to throw **** against a wall, but none of it is sticking.

Well I'll tell you what - You go talk to hounds rubbish comment tbh.

skooterblue2

Marengo wrote: »

I see you're talking about winter milking. Typical flat land dairy farmer. Ye're as soft as sh*te.

I'm a farmer in land above 1,000ft where the air is 4c colder. None of ye low land boys would cut it up here.

Ye're all oul blue shirts who think ye're big shots driving around in 4x4s. Manys a time on a sports field I went through ye like a knife through butter.

#soft #never did anything for the country's independence

Yeah yeah, I know the auld spiel "there were only ever two REAL Republicans, you and Gerry Adams and sometimes you weren't sure about Adams". Heard it all before. Did ye ever hear about the one with the fox and the sour grapes?

Aint prosperity a bitch!?!? I dont be using one of them flashy iPhones when I have a Nokia. If you spent half the time fight the brits and the system and your neighbours you could have a farm you could be proud of.

gozunda

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

How many more times does it need to be said that if you were truly concerned about managing populations of animals then you would find a humane way to do it. Chasing a defenseless creature into exhaustion and then allowing it to be ripped apart by dogs is not managing anything. The Hunt is about bloodlust and the enjoyment of the kill, nothing more.

Wtf is 'humane' - give your definition. Hounds when needed kill exactly same as foxes do quickly and efficiently do. Nothing gets 'chased to' exhaustion. Thats pure anti bolloxology. Do foxes when killed sometimes afterwards get ripped up? Yes they do same as foxes do to hares rabbits when dead etc. and no difference to wildlife smashed up on roads by people. Not my pretty but there you go. Just because you've been disneyfied or swallowed english anti / sab bs - thats your problem. Not the problem of land owners who want the very occasional problematic fox removed. In the UK these are now been wiped out by shooting. You want that? Nice ...

anewme

gozunda wrote: »

Hunts with hounds horses or not generally ask landowners for permission. Do accidents happen - yes they do. Just like on with other animals. But hey that doesn't matter - because the bs propaganda.

So they generally ask.? Is trespass not illegal..?

Many people see their pets as family members and are as attached to them as family members. That is their right.

For the Hunt to kill a family pet on ts own land and label it an accident is just crap.

I would be absolutely devastated if this were to happen to one of my dogs. I dont think id get over it easy. My pets are my life and I love them dearly.

But how dare "the likes of youse" complain.

Accidents dont just happen, they are caused. In this instance by illegally trespassing.

But they apologised so that meant the dog was raised from the dead.?

mulbot

gozunda wrote: »

Wtf is 'humane' - give your definition. Hounds when needed kill exactly same as foxes do quickly and efficiently do. Nothing getsx 'chased to 'exhaustion. Thats pure anti bolloxology. Do foxes when killed sometimes get ripped up? Yes they do same as foxes do to hares rabbits etc. and no difference to wildlife smashed up on roads by people. Not my pretty but there you go. Just because you e been disneyfied or swallowed English anti / sab bs - thats your problem. Not the problem of land owners who want the very occasional problematic fox removed. In the UK these are now been wiped out by shooting. You want that? Nice ...

Why do you constantly try to bolster your argument by comparing what happens in nature to the actions used by the hunt?

WinnyThePoo

gozunda wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Nope. There's no responsibility on the hounds. Unless they are making the decision to go out hunting. Which there not. The cowards are the humans. Which is explicit in the post. Again your trying to throw **** against a wall, but none of it is sticking.

Well I'll tell you what - You go talk to hounds rubbish comment tbh.

I don't need to. Dullards and cowards.

I would have expected better from fox hunters on this thread. Some form of coherent argument. There really is a coherent argument though.


I can't wait for the day fox hunting is banned and its taken away from you.

It is going to be banned. You will have to get your jollies from somewhere else.
I'll come and smile at you if you want on that day.

skooterblue2

VeryTerry wrote: »

I didn't say he wasn't a patriot. He didn't want to leave the union though.

There was no way he could have gotten independence. He tried for the best he could have gotten.

gozunda

mulbot wrote: »

Why do you constantly try to bolster your argument by comparing what happens in nature to the actions used by the hunt?

Because bs hyperbole repeated by others.