NARGC Gizzard Survey

cavan shooter

Back in November the NARGC backed by Countryside Alliance asked for Duck shooters to retain the gizzards of duck shot so that they can be tested for lead ingestion. As you are aware the European Chemicals Agency wants a 100% ban on lead shot and wants steel for all but Military/Police use use.

Anyway, what I'm asking is how many have actually submitted any gizzards. It was hoped 50 from each county, or have we shooters shot ourselves once more in the foot on the "I couldn't be arsed or fek it sure it will grand" mentality

J.R.

The first I heard about it was when I opened up the NARGC annual newsletter Gameshot, delivery on Tuesday last.

More about it here from NARGC website

http://nargc.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Gizzards-Survey-letter.pdf

cavan shooter

All the RGC's were told about it.i know it was active on Facebook up our way, I'm worried we are about to shoot ourselves in the foot because if inaction?

meathstevie

On the other hand when have policy makers ever been bothered with facts when opinions and underlying agendas are so much easier to work from.

cavan shooter

I don't think in this case we can just sit back. Has anyone heard if they are getting the numbers they requested. 50 ducks per county since November isn't much.

richiedel123

cavan shooter wrote: »

I don't think in this case we can just sit back. Has anyone heard if they are getting the numbers they requested. 50 ducks per county since November isn't much.

Have to agree with you. This is a hugely important project. I know i have a few here myself just waiting for the county to come collecting them. I'll try make an extra effort over the last few days to get a few more.

Woodcock shot

I have a few kept in freezer. Our club secretary requested us to keep them early on in the season to be handed in at the end for him to give to county guys.
Not too many others have bothered to keep them though

cavan shooter

Woodcock shot wrote: »

I have a few kept in freezer. Our club secretary requested us to keep them early on in the season to be handed in at the end for him to give to county guys.
Not too many others have bothered to keep them though

Yet it will be same lazy fekers that will be whinging at a meeting when we are announcing that lead shot is banned, that the 30 year-old shotgun you have isn't able to shoot steel and the bismiuth you need is €40 for a box...then they'll ask you why haven't you lads on the top table stopped this from happening.....I despair...I'm going for a pint..

Cadpat_cowboy

cavan shooter wrote: »

Yet it will be same lazy fekers that will be whinging at a meeting when we are announcing that lead shot is banned, that the 30 year-old shotgun you have isn't able to shoot steel and the bismiuth you need is €40 for a box...then they'll ask you why haven't you lads on the top table stopped this from happening.....I despair...I'm going for a pint..

So if lead shoot gets banned dose that mean it's then a crime to own lead shot? Or just use it?

cavan shooter

Reading what the European Chemical Agency wants it would be an offence to have lead cartridges on your person and to purchase it. It's a complete ban they want. The cartridge manufacturers will be prohibited from making the lead cartridges.

It's still shot or lead substitute such as Bismuth. Problem is that the steel shot is banned in clay grounds in the USA because of the risk of ricochet, it is very hard on gun barrells and the bismiuth loads are too expensive.

Cadpat_cowboy

cavan shooter wrote: »

Reading what the European Chemical Agency wants it would be an offence to have lead cartridges on your person and to purchase it. It's a complete ban they want. The cartridge manufacturers will be prohibited from making the lead cartridges.

It's still shot or lead substitute such as Bismuth. Problem is that the steel shot is banned in clay grounds in the USA because of the risk of ricochet, it is very hard on gun barrells and the bismiuth loads are too expensive.

Well that's a laod of poo! Is this an actual issue or a roundabout way of getting rid of guns?

cavan shooter

No I wouldn't go that faras they say that there is substitutes.. They are claiming that lead ingestion by waders is killing them. So we the shooting and hunting community need to refute the allegation with proof, hence the need for the Gizzards. Cavan RGC are collecting at a meeting on the 8th Feb I'm sure other counties are organising similiar collections. We have one go at this, if the ban on lead shot comes in slot of our older guns become worthless.

cavan shooter

No I wouldn't go that far, as they say that there is substitutes..

They are claiming that lead ingestion by waders is killing them. So we the shooting and hunting community need to refute the allegation with proof, hence the need for the Gizzards. Cavan RGC are collecting at a meeting on the 8th Feb I'm sure other counties are organising similiar collections. We have one go at this, if the ban on lead shot comes in slot of our older guns become worthless.