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Diesel engines - why did the Government encourage the Irish driving population

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  • #52
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Diesels overall are not as bulletproof as they once were, this is mostly thanks to the DPF. You can stall a modern diesel too which was impossible on the old PD units.
    Tax changes are needed to stop people buying them.
    S

    I reckon it’s more to do with common rail engines than ones with DPF


  • #53
    CrankyHaus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭CrankyHaus


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I think the alternative fuel options was one of the reasons diesel cars were promoted. They thought the use of green fuels in diesels cars would take off, but here we are and there are still no green fuels on the market.




    Excellent point. Another panacea that turned out to be bunkum.
    Incidentally the diversion of land to biofuels in that period caused a spike in world food prices in 2011 that helped spark the Arab Spring, and the resulting 7 years of war and revolution from Syria to Tunisia and the ensuing migration crisis here in Europe.

    The issues with Biofuels were also pointed out at the time but ignored in favour of industry hype.


  • #54
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,794 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Borderfox wrote: »
    The Green party wanted to save the planet but not the people

    ...and succceeded only in screwing both.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #55
    theoneeyedman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,633 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    pablo128 wrote: »
    Ironically European legislation is responsible for more harmful diesel emissions. In the push to make them cleaner, they produce more NOX now than before. The hotter a diesel engine runs, the more efficient it becomes, but produces more NOX.

    The ones that were driving this agenda in Europe, the Germans, were then fiddling and cheating the emission test results as well remember. No real repercussions for them, but the policy certainly aided German car exports across Europe.
    When you make the rules, you can ignore them when you want.


  • #56
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    There would be no need for diesel cars if petrol was cheaper than diesel. But its profit before the health of the people, that's Ireland. Should be a total ban on diesel cars, and make petrol 1 euro a litre full stop, a petrol car will use a bit more fuel so the difference to the government would be nothing.
    Yeah, because petrol is great for you too... :rolleyes:


  • #57
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    galwaytt wrote: »
    sorry, you're posting unsupported nonsense too, from a body which, like our DoE espoused diesel-as-saviour barely a decade ago.............but have now changed out minds.

    There is no way the EV impact is anywhere near known yet: for good or ill - and either way, all Govt's will be out for their pound/kilo of flesh. There's no way the Dept of Finance/Exchequer will be letting fuel excise dwindle to zero to appease the Dept of Environment et al...

    "You're posting unsupported nonsense" quoting where I provide 3 separate supporting references. Is there something wrong with you? I can provide another 10 if you'd like though I'm sure you'll read none and pretend they all come from the same mysterious 'body'.

    It also is perfectly possible to analyse lifecycle EV impact, saying it isn't doesn't make it true - it just makes you ignorant and makes it clear you've never actually looked into the subject.


  • #58
    Tuco88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭Tuco88


    Today I seen a 1987 Scania rigid truck in mint condition, loaded to the rafters with gravel. I was behind it from the JLT heading to Dublin.

    It was roaring going uphill, black smoke out the stack while the driver was sledging up the gears 😀.

    Ironically its probably the real definition efficient, Well maintained very long service time. Local mechanic gets work, its probably seen out 2 other trucks in its time.

    Anyway the Diesel engine is our generations steam engine.


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Whilst on holidays in northern Norway they were saying that it is really only possible to use diesel in those very remote harsh regions where fuel endurance is very much required.
    .

    Correcting my typo -insurance = endurance!


  • #60
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    the car companies were lying
    that explains it partly


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  • #61
    V8 Interceptor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭V8 Interceptor


    Tuco88 wrote: »
    Today I seen a 1987 Scania rigid truck in mint condition, loaded to the rafters with gravel. I was behind it from the JLT heading to Dublin. It was roaring going uphill, black smoke out the stack while the driver was sledging up the gears ��.
    Must've had a good note to it.

    I often see a bull-nosed Scania near where I live. Its a V8 with a great tune that you can hear coming a mile off.


  • #62
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Whilst on holidays in northern Norway they were saying that it is really only possible to use diesel in those very remote harsh regions where fuel insurance is very much required.

    Even the extreme winter fuel blend in Norway only goes as low as -35. Petrol is preferred for the coldest climates, I only really see diesel's in the South (Kristiansand & Bergen, I'd say less than 1 in 10 cars in Oslo are diesel).


  • #63
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,794 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    "You're posting unsupported nonsense" quoting where I provide 3 separate supporting references. Is there something wrong with you? I can provide another 10 if you'd like though I'm sure you'll read none and pretend they all come from the same mysterious 'body'.

    It also is perfectly possible to analyse lifecycle EV impact, saying it isn't doesn't make it true - it just makes you ignorant and makes it clear you've never actually looked into the subject.

    You can quote 100 sources for all I care. The fact is that at the end of the day the government's perspective will be driven by revenue generation and just like the diesel circus of the last decade where everyone piled into it for "cheap tax" built on fraudulent claims of benefit by the Greens et al, we will have to wait and watch the EV debate similarly.

    By all means buy an EV because you like it or because it performs dynamically better in some way, but something that's aleady built, in use, and kept in service longer, is always cheaper in the long run.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #64
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    galwaytt wrote: »
    You can quote 100 sources for all I care. The fact is that at the end of the day the government's perspective will be driven by revenue generation and just like the diesel circus of the last decade where everyone piled into it for "cheap tax" built on fraudulent claims of benefit by the Greens et al, we will have to wait and watch the EV debate similarly.

    By all means buy an EV because you like it or because it performs dynamically better in some way, but something that's aleady built, in use, and kept in service longer, is always cheaper in the long run.

    You're completely changing your arguments and refusing to even acknowledge that you posted complete nonsense. Any reason you feel the need to be dishonest over something as trivial as cars?

    I have no interest in an EV, I drive a couple of thousand km a year and will hold on to my 2.5 v6 until I can no longer find parts for it. Any sort of new car would be utterly wasted on me. That doesn't mean I can't look at things like facts, real-world evidence, peer reviewed studies and whatnot when forming an opinion or making an argument.


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