White Males Need Not Apply - British Police Ad

splashuum

An interesting job posting from the British police. I can see why this went viral.

https://www.facebook.com/britishtransportpolice/photos/a.323104971171991/1244843678998111/?type=3

What ever happened to hiring the best person for the job? :rolleyes:

RMAOK

GROAN - this kind of thing gets tiresome.

As the op says, best person for the job regardless of gender, race etc.

Sonics2k

Stupid, stupid, stupid ad.

Leads to nothing positive whatsoever, just drama and virtue-signalling on both sides.

Someone should get sacked for signing off on that.

Ninthlife

When will the positions for white males be advertised?

TheValeyard

Probably want to see if they can beat Gillette for the outrage.

Ninthlife

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Probably want to see if they can beat Gillette for the outrage.

If anything it does bring attention to their adverts/product

freshpopcorn

It sounds like something Mary Mitchell O'Connor would come up with!

Ten of Swords

British Police are known for these sorts of ads, there was talk last October of 50/50 catholic recruitment for the PSNI again, currently it stands at 80/20 I think.

The argument with these ads is that minority officers are needed in order to be more effective at policing minority communities, whether the effectiveness of this policy is reflected in the real world is debatable.

lbc2019

Getting worked up about recruitment in a different country- do ye seek out shít to be offended by now?

SEPT 23 1989

My favourite ad at the moment is the car ad with the two women driving to the maternity hospital

Ninthlife

lbc2019 wrote: »

Getting worked up about recruitment in a different country- do ye seek out shít to be offended by now?

You say that now but wait til they take all our transport police jobs.....oh wait

Airyfairy12

I dont see the problem with it, if the majority of their employees are white men then surely that creates a bias. The add is not suggesting that they dont want white men in the police force, theyre encouraging different types of people to join. Surely that's a positive thing?

mzungu

sonics2k wrote:

Someone should get sacked for signing off on that.

A case of PC gone mad?

Folkstonian

This sort of initiative doesn’t actually work anyway.

The Met Police tried limiting recruitment only to applicants from Greater London for a while to artificially increase the number of black and Asian police officers.

The scheme was such a roaring success that they quickly changed it back to allowing applicants from across Britain because diverse Londoners didn’t want to police their own city and recruitment fell off a cliff

The trouble that establishments have all across Europe is that although the continent may be becoming increasingly diverse, it will always have an indigenous white population. These people are always going to be the ones with a greater connection, emotional and familial, to the different arms of the state.. police, military, civil service etc, and will always feel a greater pull to them as a way of serving their homeland

GinAndBitter

Folkstonian wrote: »

This sort of initiative doesn’t actually work anyway.

The Met Police tried limiting recruitment only to applicants from Greater London for a while to artificially increase the number of black and Asian police officers.

The scheme was such a roaring success that they quickly changed it back to allowing applicants from across Britain because diverse Londoners didn’t want to police their own city and recruitment fell off a cliff

The trouble that establishments have all across Europe is that although the continent may be becoming increasingly diverse, it will always have an indigenous white population. These people are always going to be the ones with a greater connection, emotional and familial, to the different arms of the state.. police, military, civil service etc, and will always feel a greater pull to them as a way of serving their homeland

Someone will be along to call you a racist soon enough.

Ninthlife

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Someone will be along to call you a racist soon enough.

You cant call someone someone anymore . The numerical reference to one may cause others to feel belittled

dxhound2005

Folkstonian wrote: »

This sort of initiative doesn’t actually work anyway.

They ran the workshops before and it did work.

How committed is BTP to diversity?

Rachael Etebar, Director of People and Culture at British Transport Police said “In recent years, we have made great strides in improving the diversity of our Force, for example in our most recent intakes, a third of new Officers were women and 18% were BME. However, our workforce is still less representative than the population we serve. So if you are a woman or from a black or ethnic minority background and may never have considered policing as a career choice before but want to know more, why don’t you come along to one of our Recruitment Workshops?”

Ninthlife

dxhound2005 wrote: »

They ran the workshops before and it did work.

How committed is BTP to diversity?

Rachael Etebar, Director of People and Culture at British Transport Police said “In recent years, we have made great strides in improving the diversity of our Force, for example in our most recent intakes, a third of new Officers were women and 18% were BME. However, our workforce is still less representative than the population we serve. So if you are a woman or from a black or ethnic minority background and may never have considered policing as a career choice before but want to know more, why don’t you come along to one of our Recruitment Workshops?”

18% were BME. Whats BME??

Folkstonian

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Someone will be along to call you a racist soon enough.

I expect so. They can scream it from the rooftops for all I care.

My whole point is that while there may be good intentions behind these positive discrimination exercises from services that genuinely want to make use of all available talent and experience in a country regardless of race, they are doomed to failure with these counter productive ad campaigns that are going to achieve nothing except alienate large numbers of people in their traditional recruitment bases

Fann Linn

splashuum wrote: »

An interesting job posting from the British police. I can see why this went viral.

https://www.facebook.com/britishtransportpolice/photos/a.323104971171991/1244843678998111/?type=3

What ever happened to hiring the best person for the job? :rolleyes:

I can see why some voted for Brexit.

Capt'n Midnight

Amy recruitment in the UK is even worse. Despite spending about a billion dollars trying to get people to sign up.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/12/14/uk_army_recruitment_capita_nao_report/

The British Army has missed its recruitment targets by between 21 and 45 per cent each year since 2013
....
The cost of the 10-year Capita contract rose from £495m to £677m

Sonics2k

There is of course quite a bit of irony about it.

Quite often the London Met police and various other police forces come under a lot of criticism for having a large majority of white, male officers on their payroll.

So in order to combat it, they put out an ad saying they're looking for more women and/or non-white people to sign up and they get lambasted because it's a stupid ad.

It's good to see they're actively answering people in the comments section though and clarifying it.

https://gyazo.com/172b94810e3e27878fb473549ba08503

Unfortunately because it's a really badly done ad, it's just pushing the usual right-wingers in claiming they're being persecuted against.

Stupid, stupid ad.

Folkstonian

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Amy recruitment in the UK is even worse. Despite spending about a billion dollars trying to get people to sign up.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/12/14/uk_army_recruitment_capita_nao_report/

What is the relevance?

It’s been well publicised that the outsourcing of recruitment in the army to Capita has been a disaster on so many fronts, but it’s not connected to the kind of positive discrimination that the OP has highlighted.

AndrewJRenko

lbc2019 wrote: »

Getting worked up about recruitment in a different country- do ye seek out shít to be offended by now?

Just to be clear, they're not getting worked up about recruitment.


They're getting worked up about a promotion event that comes before recruitment, designed to target the minority communities that historically haven't participated fully in the recruitment itself. It's just a way of giving information to a targeted group, but I guess some people just can't wait to be offended.

Renegade Mechanic

Sonics2k wrote: »

Stupid, stupid, stupid ad.

Leads to nothing positive whatsoever, just drama and virtue-signalling on both sides.

Someone should get sacked for signing off on that.

Meh, it's the new thing now. It's called "positive discrimination".
The BBC raised a few eyebrows with similar carry on.

Fann Linn

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Meh, it's the new thing now. It's called "positive discrimination".
https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/19/bbc-criticised-for-banning-white-job-applicants-for-trainee-role-7243601/

Only 'positive' for those on the receiving end. For a young white male in Britain right now he might not have the same opinion.

eagle eye

It's a European thing, there'll be none of that in a couple of months with the hard Brexit.

dxhound2005

Fann Linn wrote: »

Only 'positive' for those on the receiving end. For a young white male in Britain right now he might not have the same opinion.

No need for him to worry. These sorts of campaigns have no effect whatsoever?

TheValeyard

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Meh, it's the new thing now. It's called "positive discrimination".
The BBC raised a few eyebrows with similar carry on.

Ah, so all minorities are considered once you're not white?

Folkstonian

dxhound2005 wrote: »

No need for him to worry. These sorts of campaigns have no effect whatsoever?

Care to address the rest of my post about recruitment into the MPS?

Always easier to pretend you are right when you simply cut all parts out of a post if they make it hard to convince others of the superiority of your own argument.

AndrewJRenko

Fann Linn wrote: »

For a young white male in Britain right now he might not have the same opinion.

Like the ones who already apply for the posts all the time?

Fann Linn

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Like the ones who already apply for the posts all the time?

Doesn't really matter if they apply or not. For the Tommy Robinson brigade it just provides more ammunition.

Capt'n Midnight

Folkstonian wrote: »

What is the relevance?

It’s been well publicised that the outsourcing of recruitment in the army to Capita has been a disaster on so many fronts, but it’s not connected to the kind of positive discrimination that the OP has highlighted.

SO we can rule out outsourcing Police recruitment then

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Positive discrimination leaves them open to being sued by white males who only get interviews if they send in a second CV with a fake name.


On the other hand they get top down pressure if they don't start increasing the % of non-whites.

Policing isn't a high turnover job. It'll take thirty years to shift out the current generation of plods , longer for the top brass. So even if recruitment is in proportion don't hold your breath.


Aren't Sikhs overrepresented ?

dxhound2005

Folkstonian wrote: »

Care to address the rest of my post about recruitment into the MPS?

Always easier to pretend you are right when you simply cut all parts out of a post if they make it hard to convince others of the superiority of your own argument.

The Met Police tried limiting recruitment only to applicants from Greater London for a while to artificially increase the number of black and Asian police officers.

The scheme was such a roaring success that they quickly changed it back to allowing applicants from across Britain because diverse Londoners didn’t want to police their own city and recruitment fell off a cliff

Give me more details about this. For all I know it may have been a time limited scheme which achieved its objectives. How quickly was it abandoned?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Ten of Swords wrote: »

British Police are known for these sorts of ads, there was talk last October of 50/50 catholic recruitment for the PSNI again, currently it stands at 80/20 I think.

The argument with these ads is that minority officers are needed in order to be more effective at policing minority communities, whether the effectiveness of this policy is reflected in the real world is debatable.

If there are studies to back this up, then there might indeed be some merit in it. It’d be interesting to know.

But I just can’t agree with the ad, being a staunch meritocrat (whilst acknowledging that life is never going to be a perfectly level playing field). As meritocratic as is realistically possible is my stance. There’s no point hiring someone who hasn’t proved they are competent in an interview just because they are a target ethnicity. If they can’t do the job right, their ethnicity wont matter a jot.

Hoboo

FFS it's a requirement for the role, they need more people from various ethnic groups to wait for it........deal with members of the public from the same group (particularly the younger generations)

Nothing wrong with it whatsoever, they've identified an operational need and they're addressing it. No different to needing an accountant and hiring one.

AndyTheDude

So, three pages in and the word "rasist" hasn't been used yet.
Is the usual "rasist!" brigade absent today, or what? Haha

Folkstonian

Hoboo wrote: »

FFS it's a requirement for the role, they need more people from various ethnic groups to wait for it........deal with members of the public from the same group (particularly the younger generations)

Nothing wrong with it whatsoever, they've identified an operational need and they're addressing it. No different to needing an accountant and hiring one.

Why does the skin colour of a police officer matter?

Is it a requirement for some people that they are dealt with by a black or Asian (or indeed white) police officer if they have been burgled or assaulted?

If so, should we placate people like that or should they be told to get a grip?

dxhound2005

Folkstonian wrote: »

Why does the skin colour of a police officer matter?

Is it a requirement for some people that they are dealt with by a black or Asian (or indeed white) police officer if they have been burgled or assaulted?

If so, should we placate people like that or should they be told to get a grip?

The force seems to think it will help improve their service to the public.

Diversity matters. Diversity helps us to build bridges between the police and groups who traditionally feel disconnected from us. This speaks to the public’s trust and confidence in the police; it speaks to the ability for a young black male to feel that we will treat him fairly and proportionately, or for a woman to feel confident reporting a sexual assault to us. These are serious issues and we do not shy away from addressing them and nor should we. Despite that seriousness, the action we take is actually quite subtle and a key step we have taken is to run application and assessment centre workshops that have one simple aim: to give those who traditionally feel excluded from a career in policing the confidence that there is a place for them at British Transport Police.

https://btp.tal.net/vx/appcentre-External/brand-4/candidate/so/pm/7/pl/10/opp/4804-Police-Officer-Inner-Outer-London-Application-and-Assessment-Centre-Workshop-Wednesday-23rd-January-2019/en-GB

Folkstonian

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The force seems to think it will help improve their service to the public.

Diversity matters. Diversity helps us to build bridges between the police and groups who traditionally feel disconnected from us. This speaks to the public’s trust and confidence in the police; it speaks to the ability for a young black male to feel that we will treat him fairly and proportionately, or for a woman to feel confident reporting a sexual assault to us. These are serious issues and we do not shy away from addressing them and nor should we. Despite that seriousness, the action we take is actually quite subtle and a key step we have taken is to run application and assessment centre workshops that have one simple aim: to give those who traditionally feel excluded from a career in policing the confidence that there is a place for them at British Transport Police.

https://btp.tal.net/vx/appcentre-External/brand-4/candidate/so/pm/7/pl/10/opp/4804-Police-Officer-Inner-Outer-London-Application-and-Assessment-Centre-Workshop-Wednesday-23rd-January-2019/en-GB

If I wanted to know BTPs view I would head down to one of their workshops, if they’d let me in of course.

Can you please stop quoting me and replying with big blocks of copied text?

When discussing an issue as subjective as this, generally I thought the point of a discussion forum was to get the opinions of other members, not simply to be bombarded with the same corporate explanation it is fairly evident I already disagree with?

AndrewJRenko

Fann Linn wrote: »

Doesn't really matter if they apply or not. For the Tommy Robinson brigade it just provides more ammunition.

If you're 'giving ammunition' to racists, you're probably on the right track.

TheValeyard

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you're 'giving ammunition' to racists, you're probably on the right track.

Right track to increase far right support.

These adverts only divide society and remind people they are ethnically different.

AndrewJRenko

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Positive discrimination leaves them open to being sued by white males who only get interviews if they send in a second CV with a fake name.

They won't get sued for positive discrimination.

They might get sued for crap recruitment practices that discriminate based on name.

RasTa

skooterblue2

Ninthlife wrote: »

When will the positions for white males be advertised?

They arent welcome in London or Birmingham or Stoke, or Leeds or Rotherham

sheesh

splashuum wrote: »

An interesting job posting from the British police. I can see why this went viral.

https://www.facebook.com/britishtransportpolice/photos/a.323104971171991/1244843678998111/?type=3

What ever happened to hiring the best person for the job? :rolleyes:

maybe they want to attract more minorities and women into the police force if you are a white male you can still apply. Maybe they are currently hiring and this is one of many promotional images they have produced but you decided to be offended by this one.

meeeeh

Folkstonian wrote: »

Why does the skin colour of a police officer matter?

Is it a requirement for some people that they are dealt with by a black or Asian (or indeed white) police officer if they have been burgled or assaulted?

If so, should we placate people like that or should they be told to get a grip?

Maybe because they will be more effective getting information from different communities if they send someone who is more familiar with their way of life. Or for example because female rape victim will find it easier to talk to female police officer. Or strip search being preformed by someone of your gender.

Or you can have less extreme version of policing North had where half of community went to IRA to resolve the issue.

paw patrol

comments has a few gems.

kinda like this one - cos I felt it was apt for Ireland too

comment 1:

Surely woman shouldn't get the same pay as men officers. I mean if you we're getting beat up who would you rather show up 2 men or 2 woman.
Manage

Retort:

don’t worry about that. Doesn’t matter, male, female, no one is gonna turn up if you’re getting beat up or stabbed.

splashuum

meeeeh wrote: »

Folkstonian wrote: »

Why does the skin colour of a police officer matter?

Is it a requirement for some people that they are dealt with by a black or Asian (or indeed white) police officer if they have been burgled or assaulted?

If so, should we placate people like that or should they be told to get a grip?

Maybe because they will be more effective getting information from different communities if they send someone who is more familiar with their way of life.

How exactly do you identify someone’s “way of life” according to their skin colour?
Are you suggesting a black policeman who comes from a millionaire privaeleged background automatically know more about the “minority way of life” over a white policeman who comes from an actual minority background?

AndrewJRenko

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Right track to increase far right support.

These adverts only divide society and remind people they are ethnically different.

People who see that the make up of the police force is dramatically different to the make up of their community are well aware that they are ethnically different.

What divides society is having a police force that doesn't reflect the community.

suicide_circus

wait, you're telling me that a police force in northern Europe is dominated by male Caucasians? disgusting.