Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

And believe me I know from experience men don't give two fcuks as long as there's a vagina involved.

Perhaps it's the type of men you attract?

mazcon

BBFAN wrote: »

Nope, I'm a woman and I put no initials or anything else before what I am either.

As is a transsexual woman. She's a woman, what's the difference?

And believe me I know from experience men don't give two fcuks as long as there's a vagina involved.

I defy any man to tell me different.

Cool story!

AndrewJRenko

Sittingpretty wrote: »

As I said, anyone can feel as they choose but feeling like a woman does not a biological woman make, or vice versa.

As I stated in my first post, I have no issue with trans people who feel they were born in the wrong body. Their bodies are their own to do with as they please. My point it not everyone has to be complicit in their feelings. Whether a trans woman feels like a woman or not she will never actually be one. However I don’t in any way shape or form deny her the right to live as a woman if she so pleases.

Do we really need to be 'complicit' in anyone else's feelings? I'm just not sure why you (and many others) feel the need to hold something back - the old 'not a real woman' or equivalent. Is there some deep discomfort about this that makes you feel obliged to hold something back, or try to make someone else feel just a little bit bad?

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

Alright, maybe I need simple language for you so, a transsexual woman who has had the operation is a WOMAN so why would any man balk at that?

No she isn't. She's a man that's had an operation to look like a woman.

I could paint myself blue, but I still wouldn't be a smurf.

BBFAN

Gravelly wrote: »

Perhaps it's the type of men you attract?

Is that the most intelligent answer you can come with Gravelly?

Really? :rolleyes:

Sonic Youth

BBFAN wrote: »

Nope, I'm a woman and I put no initials or anything else before what I am either.

As is a transsexual woman. She's a woman, what's the difference?

And believe me I know from experience men don't give two fcuks as long as there's a vagina involved.

I defy any man to tell me different.

An inverted penis is not a vagina. Are you really struggling to understand why a straight man would not want to have sex with a transsexual man?

Sittingpretty

BBFAN wrote: »

Nope, I'm a woman and I put no initials or anything else before what I am either.

As is a transsexual woman. She's a woman, what's the difference?

And believe me I know from experience men don't give two fcuks as long as there's a vagina involved.

I defy any man to tell me different.

You put no initials before what you are? What? Not entirely certain what that means tbh.

A transsexual woman is not a biological woman. She was born male and every chromosome in her body is still male.

Well we’ll all stand corrected if in your experience you find your opinion be be correct.

I’ll defer to the heterosexual men on this thread to rise to the challenge to defy you.

BBFAN

Gravelly wrote: »

No she isn't. She's a man that's had an operation to look like a woman.

I could paint myself blue, but I still wouldn't be a smurf.

Okay, so now we know your point of view. You don't believe transsexuals exist.

That's your point of view. But you are wrong. Scientifically proven.

That's okay. You're allowed be wrong.

Sonic Youth

BBFAN wrote: »

Alright, maybe I need simple language for you so, a transsexual woman who has had the operation is a WOMAN so why would any man balk at that?

Because he's a man who's had surgery to take on the crude appearance of a woman.

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

Is that the most intelligent answer you can come with Gravelly?

Really? :rolleyes:

It's positively Shakespearean compared to the drivel you're posting in fairness.

BBFAN

Sittingpretty wrote: »

You put no initials before what you are? What? Not entirely certain what that means tbh.

A transsexual woman is not a biological woman. She was born male and every chromosome in her body is still male.

Well we’ll all stand corrected if in your experience you find your opinion be be correct.

I’ll defer to the heterosexual men on this thread to rise to the challenge to defy you.

See my post above. Refers to you also.

BBFAN

Sonic Youth wrote: »

Because he's a man who's had surgery to take on the crude appearance of a woman.

See my post above. Refers to you also.

Uncharted

Gravelly wrote: »

No she isn't. She's a man that's had an operation to look like a woman.

I could paint myself blue, but I still wouldn't be a smurf.

:pac:

End the thread now.

Gravelly wins.

Well played Sir,well played

Sittingpretty

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do we really need to be 'complicit' in anyone else's feelings? I'm just not sure why you (and many others) feel the need to hold something back - the old 'not a real woman' or equivalent. Is there some deep discomfort about this that makes you feel obliged to hold something back, or try to make someone else feel just a little bit bad?

No Andrew, there are no phobic skeletons in my closet. I just like Science and fact.

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

Okay, so now we know your point of view. You don't believe transsexuals exist.

That's your point of view. But you are wrong. Scientifically proven.

That's okay. You're allowed be wrong.

Where did you get the idea that I don't believe transsexuals exist? They're not ghosts :rolleyes:

mazcon

Gravelly wrote: »

Where did you get the idea that I don't believe transsexuals exist? They're not ghosts :rolleyes:

We know they exist...they never stop telling us they do!

Sonic Youth

BBFAN wrote: »

See my post above. Refers to you also.

Are legit thick, trolling or genuinely cannot see why a straight man would refuse sex with another man?

Straight women don't want sex with lesbians either.

Sittingpretty

BBFAN wrote: »

See my post above. Refers to you also.

Which one? Am I expected to wade through the nonsense?

BBFAN

All of the above posts believe that transsexual people do not exist.

Science states that they do.

But yet we're supposed to agree and like their posts because transsexual people piss us off?

What the fcuk like?

AndrewJRenko

Sittingpretty wrote: »

No Andrew, there are no phobic skeletons in my closet. I just like Science and fact.

No, I really wasn't suggesting phobic. But there does seem to be some need to hold something back. Not some a liking of science and fact, but a liking of telling people that I'm not entirely happy with what they're doing.

BBFAN

Sittingpretty wrote: »

Which one? Am I expected to wade through the nonsense?

It's not that far back hun, if you cant' be bothered reading the thread that says it all.

You just want to post your **** and not read anything else.

mazcon

Sonic Youth wrote: »

Are legit thick, trolling or genuinely cannot see why a straight man would refuse sex with another man?

Straight women don't want sex with lesbians either.

Or men with fannies

Sittingpretty

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

No, I really wasn't suggesting phobic. But there does seem to be some need to hold something back. Not some a liking of science and fact, but a liking of telling people that I'm not entirely happy with what they're doing.

I can’t believe we may have some common ground here Andrew, it’s almost too new for me

Seriously all cycling jokes aside I genuinely don’t have any issue with how adults conduct themselves, that is absolutely none of my business and not on my patch so not my problem.

Where I disagree with some here is in the absolute acceptance that a trans person male/female is as completely male/female as their “born” male/female counterparts. It’s not a holding back, or a denial of anyone’s right to live as whatever gender they please.

Sonic Youth

BBFAN wrote: »

It's not that far back hun, if you cant' be bothered reading the thread that says it all.

You just want to post your **** and not read anything else.

Why is it so triggering for you to learn that straight men don't want sex with other men? This is pretty stuff we're talking about here.

BBFAN

Do people actually realise that suggesting transsexual people don't exist is like suggesting gay people don't exist?

Are you comfortable with that statement? Or maybe you are?

BBFAN

Sonic Youth wrote: »

Why is it so triggering for you to learn that straight men don't want sex with other men? This is pretty stuff we're talking about here.

Because they're not other men?

What's difficult to understand for you?

Sittingpretty

BBFAN wrote: »

It's not that far back hun, if you cant' be bothered reading the thread that says it all.

You just want to post your **** and not read anything else.

Are you naturally that articulate or did you require special training to elucidate your opinion so eloquently?

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

Do people actually realise that suggesting transsexual people don't exist is like suggesting gay people don't exist?

Are you comfortable with that statement? Or maybe you are?

Since you've now repeated it numerous times, could you show us where someone on this thread has actually claimed that transsexuals don't exist?

Sonic Youth

BBFAN wrote: »

Because they're not other men?

What's difficult to understand for you?

But they are men. Crude surgery does not change what you are.

Anyway, it's my body, MY choice

bodice ripper

People are allowed to not want to have sex with someone who is transgender. There are plenty of gay people who do not want to sleep with bisexuals, and that's allowed too.

sabat

BBFAN wrote: »

And believe me I know from experience men don't give two fcuks as long as there's a vagina involved.

I defy any man to tell me different.

Even if the surgeon somehow managed to cobble together a world-class vadge, you still have the butchered chest, Adam's apple, man shoulders, man forearms, man jawline, deeper voice etc to contend with. At best you're talking about a rough simulation of a woman's body.

kowloon

technics121O wrote: »

lol the left is literally eating itself
us right wingers can relax and take over every government in europe, and the usa, and brazil

1488

Define Left and Right and show me evidence that one is a united front while the other is fragmented and eating itself.
Spend a little time doing this and ask yourself if the whole Left vs. Right divide isn't just dumbing things down to a point where they no longer reflect reality.

BBFAN

mazcon wrote: »

Or men with fannies

Gravelly wrote: »

Since you've now repeated it numerous times, could you show us where someone on this thread has actually claimed that transsexuals don't exist?

There you go Gravelly.

ceadaoin.

BBFAN wrote: »

Do people actually realise that suggesting transsexual people don't exist is like suggesting gay people don't exist?

Are you comfortable with that statement? Or maybe you are?

Where has anyone said that trans people don't exist? Not wanting to have sex with a person who has transitioned is not the same as denying their very existence. Guilting people into sex is not a good look, everyone has a right to say no without being accused of being phobic or a bigot.

BBFAN

sabat wrote: »

Even if the surgeon somehow managed to cobble together a world-class vadge, you still have the butchered chest, Adam's apple, man shoulders, man forearms, man jawline, deeper voice etc to contend with. At best you're talking about a rough simulation of a woman's body.

Bless, you obviously have no experience.

BBFAN

mazcon wrote: »

Or men with fannies

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Where has anyone said that trans people don't exist? Not wanting to have sex with a person who has transitioned is not the same as denying their very existence. Guilting people into sex is not a good look, everyone has a right to say no without being accused of being phobic or a bigot.

Here you go.

Wrongway1985

BBFAN wrote: »

Do people actually realise that suggesting transsexual people don't exist is like suggesting gay people don't exist?

No it isn't, transgender I think you are referring to also you need an operation to become a transexual btw.

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

There you go Gravelly.

Read my question again:

could you show us where someone on this thread has actually claimed that transsexuals don't exist?

The poster above is denying that transexual men who get operations to become women are the same as women who were born as women (as several posters including myself have contended) - they are not denying that transsexuals exist.

Now, answer the question please.

BBFAN

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

No it isn't, transgender I think you are referring to also you need an operation to become a transexual btw.

No, I know that. You're wrong.

BBFAN

Gravelly wrote: »

Read my question again:



The poster above is denying that transexual men who get operations to become women are the same as women who were born as women (as several posters including myself have contended) - they are not denying that transsexuals exist.

Now, answer the question please.

A transsexual who has had the operation is a woman, suggesting that they're not suggests that they don't exist.

Very simple.

Sonic Youth

BBFAN wrote: »

No, I know that. You're wrong.

Time to put the bottle down and go to bed.

BBFAN

Sonic Youth wrote: »

Time to put the bottle down and go to bed.

Not going to bait me son.

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

A transsexual who has had the operation is a woman, suggesting that they're not suggests that they don't exist.

Very simple.

That is utter idiocy, and patently untrue, as I'm sure you know.

If I say that a man in a bear suit isn't a bear, it's not denying that bears exist.

You told a lie, got called on it, and can't back it up. Do the decent thing and admit it.

BBFAN

Gravelly wrote: »

That is utter idiocy, and patently untrue, as I'm sure you know.

If I say that a man in a bear suit isn't a bear, it's not denying that bears exist.

You told a lie, got called on it, and can't back it up. Do the decent thing and admit it.

So you're comparing a person who has had life changing surgery to someone who sticks on a bear suit?

What????????????

I told no lie.

Gravelly

BBFAN wrote: »

So you're comparing a person who has had life changing surgery to someone who sticks on a bear suit?

What????????????

I told no lie.

You did. You've been asked several times to present posts to back up your claim, and you can't, ergo, you lied.

*EDIT* I see you are being called out on lies on the Margaret Cash thread right now too. Time for bed methinks.

klaaaz

Gravelly wrote: »

The poster above is denying that transexual men who get operations to become women are the same as women who were born as women (as several posters including myself have contended) - they are not denying that transsexuals exist.

They are transsexual women who also have floods of estrogen flowing through their bodies like the born females. And all that entails in its consequences.

Funny how you and other posters have not mentioned once about transsexual men, known as trans-men, Typical misogyny.

TCM

BBFAN wrote:

A transsexual who has had the operation is a woman, suggesting that they're not suggests that they don't exist.

BBFAN wrote:

Very simple.

A man who has 'the operation' is a man without a penis and with breasts through the use of medication. That's it. No more no less.

Gravelly

klaaaz wrote: »

They are transsexual women who also have floods of estrogen flowing through their bodies like the born females. And all that entails in its consequences.

Funny how you and other posters have not mentioned once about transsexual men, known as trans-men, Typical misogyny.

:rolleyes:

ceadaoin.

BBFAN wrote: »

Here you go.

That does not say that trans people don't exist? acknowledging that there are biological differences between cis and trans women and that some people aren't into that is ok. Plenty of people are

Sittingpretty

ceadaoin. wrote: »

That does not say that trans people don't exist? acknowledging that there are biological differences between cis and trans women and that some people aren't into that is ok. Plenty of people are

Exactly.

I wouldn’t have any interest in a sexual relationship with a trans man. None, whatsoever. I’m sure there are many women who would and that’s grand, for them.