Calls for Graham Linehan to be removed from Prime Debate on transgender issues!

Sonic Youth

Never thought I'd be cheering on Graham Linehan. 'Enemy of my enemy' and all that I suppose.

donkeykong5

VeryTerry wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Niall boylan is one of the few in the media who isn't terrified of the pcbrigade.

Of course he's not. He makes his living riling up the slow lads in class.

Not frightened to speak his mind. Unusual in Ireland these days.

c montgomery

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Yeah. Theres some one on who doesn't identify as a man or a woman. ???

Miriam?

Atlantic Dawn

Why do we not let someone vote until they are 18 yet are facilitating these life changing decisions by those under 18?

statesaver

Uncharted wrote: »

That's neither here nor there. That person is an adult. The key word being ADULT. Free to do as they wish and the best of luck to them.

They are free to do whatever they want as long I don’t ( tax payer ) have to pay for it.

Someone ( adult ) wants to transition, good. Pay for it yourself.

Atlantic Dawn

statesaver wrote: »

Someone ( adult ) wants to transition, good. Pay for it yourself.

And also have them pay for any additional infrastructure they want like 3rd, 4th, 5th toilet designations.

Mad_maxx

I think it's logical that a miniscule number of people genuinely need a sex change and its not like its an entirely new phenomenon, it's become such a trendy cause however these days that it's not a stretch to imagine many make the leap from typical teen confusion to the all out decision to switch genders, when you add in the PC loons who relish mass gender identity confusion, your left with a lot of disastrous decisions by young vulnerable people

VeryTerry

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Not frightened to speak his mind. Unusual in Ireland these days.

Is it? There's far more educated people with better thought out opinions alright.

donkeykong5

Same old. Same old. Put Graham back on.

Atlantic Dawn

This finishes at 10.15, could be an ad break after this segment, Graham might get about 5 minutes worth.

batgoat

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why do we not let someone vote until they are 18 yet are facilitating these life changing decisions by those under 18?

You can make medical decisions from age 16..

Uncharted

statesaver wrote: »

They are free to do whatever they want as long I don’t ( tax payer ) have to pay for it.

Someone ( adult ) wants to transition, good. Pay for it yourself.

100% agreed.

SEPT 23 1989

the ones speaking sense in this show are really shining through

Vincent Vega

Hmm. What a difficult topic.

I'm all for self determination, but as shown in the Louis Theroux documentary it can be very difficult to determine whose will is behind the desire for change where children are involved.
Oftentimes you'll see a parent behind the push, acting with themselves in mind.

Then again, I can understand many of the reasons presented by those who have made the transition, as to why it would have been better to start the process sooner.

Marengo

Linehan speaking a lot of sense about trans 'women' in sport having major advantages.

batgoat

batgoat wrote: »

You can make medical decisions from age 16..

Indeed, but I dont want to be sitting here in a decade or two with a primetime special on, with women / men asking why was I allowed remove my perfectly healthy reproductive organs? and Im now on medicine for life?

Utopia Parkway

Marengo wrote: »

Linehan speaking a lot of sense about trans 'women' in sport having major advantages.

No idea how that’s allowed given men’s inherent physical advantages. And some of these are contact sports.

donkeykong5

Heather making very good point about the changing rooms. Kinda scary actually.

VeryTerry

This James Caspian lad can't be trusted anyway. He just let his dog **** on the beach and pegged it on national TV.

Uncharted

batgoat wrote: »

You can make medical decisions from age 16..

It's more complex than an ingrown toenail or freezing off a wart though.

Monumental implications for a lifetime,decided upon by a teenager?????

An utter recipe for disaster.

ceebee1981

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Heather making very good point about the changing rooms. Kinda scary actually.

Do you think the gender of a changing room or a toilet is currently stopping rapists?

ricero

Poor enough piece I feel. I thought there was gonna be a debate. Dissapointing.

branie2

No panel discussion

Utopia Parkway

branie2 wrote: »

No panel discussion

Yeah bit odd that.

Laois_Man

ceebee1981 wrote: »

Do you think the gender of a changing room or a toilet is currently stopping rapists?

They may well be causing less of them to occur!

Berserker

ricero wrote: »

Poor enough piece I feel. I thought there was gonna be a debate. Dissapointing.

Not a whole lot of substance in the show. Hard to call it a debate really.

Uncharted

branie2 wrote: »

No panel discussion

Indeed,we've just been served a luke warm version of a hot topic.

Hugely disappointed with that kid gloves puff piece. Fcuking RTE

Atlantic Dawn

branie2 wrote: »

No panel discussion

The exact thing the topic needs and it's avoided, joke of a public state broadcaster.

Calhoun

ceebee1981 wrote: »

Do you think the gender of a changing room or a toilet is currently stopping rapists?

Of course it isn't but there are those who could abuse it further.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

ricero

Lineman and the English feminist actually made the most sense i felt.

VeryTerry

Uncharted wrote: »

Indeed,we've just been served a luke warm version of a hot topic.

Hugely disappointed with that kid gloves puff piece. Fcuking RTE

Is it really that much of a hot topic? The numbers are very small.

Spanish Eyes

Just eat no meat to save the planet is the current cause du jour of RTE and other media.

Trans issues are an individual thing once one is an adult. Anything else is child abuse IMV. Anyway I think yawn is the correct word for this issue now, so we are told to be vegan now.

I wonder what will be next?

Amirani

Much ado about nothing with the protests and petitions in advance.

I wouldn't be a big fan of having a non-expert such as Linehan feature in the discussion, but the editorial team kept it quite balanced. Overall, it wasn't particularly controversial or ground-breaking, but it was probably a decent piece for people sitting at home that aren't overly familiar with the issue.

Jeff2

That was like a boxing or mma match with all the build up and sh1t show.

statesaver

That’s it ? Why the fúck were people saying, shouting, screaming that Greham Linehan get kicked off the show ? The man spoke sense.

So did the Dublin women who made a documentary for Channel 4. That’s worth a watch too. Cant think of her name, sorry.

sabat

"under new proposals?"
Where are these coming from? Very mysterious that they didn't even mention it. I'm going to guess it's originating from the 'Zappone Complex' but they don't want to put a name to it yet-hence this kite flying exercise.

Calhoun

statesaver wrote: »

That’s it ? Why the fúck were people saying, shouting, screaming that Greham Linehan get kicked off the show ? The man spoke sense.

So did the Dublin women who made a documentary for Channel 4. That’s worth a watch too. Cant think of her name, sorry.

That's how censorship works, he has been judges to have wrong think on this subject so has to be shut down.

ceadaoin.

ceebee1981 wrote: »

Do you think the gender of a changing room or a toilet is currently stopping rapists?

No but it allows people to challenge why they might be in facilities of the wrong gender or make them think twice about taking the chance. In the UK most sexual assaults in facilities like that take place in unisex ones. It's all about opportunity

SEPT 23 1989

That guy at the end who wanted to do a survey of people who regretted going down this road and the college warned him off

Sinister times we live in

freshpopcorn

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I might have misunderstood the mother from Wexford but she said something along the lines of she asked her kid was he gay around the end of primary school because he was a little different.
I was a little different and had lots of different likes/interests at that age compared to my peers but my mother never asked me was I gay.

Yeah, that set off my alarm bells.

When I hear of these kids supposedly declaring they are transgender at 5 years old, I always assume there is a nutcase parent putting ideas in their head. Asking them leading questions, coaching them etc. And then you see the parents and....well I haven't been surprised yet.

Boring piece overall and much ado about nothing regarding Linehan's inclusion. The views he expressed were fairly common sense.

Utopia Parkway

After all that stink, Linehan spoke for probably less than 3 minutes and generally made some pretty reasonable points.

ceadaoin.

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

After all that stink, Linehan spoke for probably less than 3 minutes and generally made some pretty reasonable points.

I honestly think that's why some parties are so keen to shut him and others down. They talk sense and they know it. Can't have people seeing reason. So they try to paint them as frothing at the mouth bigots when that's usually far from the case.

satstheway

Teen years are bad enough (image and all) and then one day a parent asks you ARE YOU GAY.
FFS. Why not hand them a rope.

professore

There was no debate!

conorhal

sabat wrote: »

"under new proposals?"
Where are these coming from? Very mysterious that they didn't even mention it. I'm going to guess it's originating from the 'Zappone Complex' but they don't want to put a name to it yet-hence this kite flying exercise.

The proposals that will, like all this legislation, swanny through the Dail with little or no debate.
Given the fact stated in the show, that vast majority of kids diagnosed with gender dysphoria grow out of it, why are we sending children to what look like indoctrination camps dressed up as treatment centers?

Could this new clinical growth industry, which is drenched in activist raised money, also partly explain the sudden growth in diagnoses? No wonder their approach to "unquestioningly" accept the patients assertion that they are trans.

I swear in 50yrs time we will be having tribunals (akin to those regards the Magdelene Laundries) about how the state could facilitate putting children into such institutions.

freshpopcorn

They didn't get him removed so #turnoffprimetime was trending on Twitter!

Dante7

It wasn't Graham Linehan that the radical trans activists were afraid of and protesting against, they were afraid of a news program calling them out on their nonsense. The doctors, surgeons and other experts did the damage there.

statesaver

freshpopcorn wrote: »

They didn't get him removed so #turnoffprimetime was trending on Twitter!

That’s sad. Not on Twitter myself but I’d imagine all 62 of them are outraged :pac:

TheValeyard

Something very Stasi like with trying to shut down the debate. Get people not to watch Primetime and protests outside by LabourYouth.

Regardless of your opinion it is an issue that has the right to be debated and people want and need to be informed.

Edit: auto correct

Calhoun

statesaver wrote: »

That’s sad. Not on Twitter myself but I’d imagine all 62 of them are outraged :pac:

Will be allot more than that, as they are a minority group all the others will dogpile on in solidarity.