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Orange/red together before green for go

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  • #52
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,809 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    elperello wrote: »
    Yes we can!!
    There is no reason why Irish drivers could not adapt to amber/green signals.

    Yes there is: I saw 3 cars jump a red in Galway today. The colour of the lights won't change that behaviour.

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  • #53
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,061 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Yes there is: I saw 3 cars jump a red in Galway today. The colour of the lights won't change that behaviour.

    We have a problem with people jumping lights due to lack of enforcement, but we have relatively little DUI. The USA does not have a problem with people jumping lights due to enforcement, but DUI is still a huge problem there. If we enforced all our current laws most issues would be resolved without the need to introduce new laws to be ignored.

    I remember years ago when the government made a big noise about changing the law on it being illegal to be drunk in public to it being illegal to be drunk in public. Newstalk interviewed the senior Garda in Dublin in Temple Bar and the interviewer asked where all the drunks walking around going to be arrested, the answer was no.

    Our government is good at introducing new laws to fix problems, but never enforces them so the problem remains.


  • #54
    mikeecho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,210 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    I think we should get rid of amber altogether.

    Get rid of red as well . Noone pays a blind bit of notice to it anyway.

    When the lights are out at complex junctions, people tend to be a lot more cautious, and overall traffic seems to generally flow better.


  • #55
    Dravokivich
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    grogi wrote: »
    Solid amber is stop. Flashing amber is go.

    Yield.


  • #56
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,804 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    grogi wrote: »
    Solid amber is stop. Flashing amber is go.
    And this, boys and girls, is why it would be a mistake to introduce more signals that rely on the amber light. Even the ones we already have are not well-understood.


  • #57
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Victor wrote: »
    The drivers are meant to yield to the pedestrians, but in reality, many do a 'rolling stop'. Combined with inattentive driving, pedestrians are killed.

    Which is correct. Sorry, do you mean braking or accelerating?

    Been in Florida loads of times and the cops over there will pull in an instant any driver who does not come to a complete stop at the line before proceeding right on a red, seen just the odd lad do it ahead of me and twice from nowhere a police car came and pulled them over...even in empty roads you have to do it


  • #58
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    No
    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Yield.

    Anywhere in civilised world, where Vienna Convention was ratified, flashing amber has a well defined meaning:
    A single amber flashing light or two amber lights flashing alternately shall
    mean that drivers may proceed but shall do so with particular care.

    Ireland unfortunately didn't. But our traffic signals are usually imported where they do follow the Vienna Convention.


  • #59
    Dravokivich
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    grogi wrote: »
    Anywhere in civilised world, where Vienna Convention was ratified, flashing amber has a well defined meaning:


    Ireland unfortunately didn't. But our traffic signals are usually imported where they do follow the Vienna Convention.

    Makes no odds, there's no traffic light here for "go" either. Flashing ambers are to be handled as a yield. It doesn't matter much what people do anywhere else.


  • #60
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    No
    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Makes no odds, there's no traffic light here for "go" either. Flashing ambers are to be handled as a yield. It doesn't matter much what people do anywhere else.

    If your 'yield' means 'proceed with caution', sure.

    Nobody should ever just bluntly go, even on green - that 'go' was just a mind shortcut, in response to @Del2005 comment that flashing amber means stop.


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  • #61
    Dravokivich
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    grogi wrote: »
    If your 'yield' means 'proceed with caution', sure.

    Nobody should ever just bluntly go, even on green - that 'go' was just a mind shortcut, in response to @Del2005 comment that flashing amber means stop.

    How many teeth do you plan on pulling out? Yield is a reference to right of way.


  • #62
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    No
    Dravokivich wrote: »
    How many teeth do you plan on pulling out? Yield is a reference to right of way.

    Flashing amber does not indicate right of way in any way.

    It solely means that the traffic light cannot be used to determine it, but also does not prevent one from going further.


  • #63
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    grogi wrote: »
    Flashing amber does not indicate right of way in any way.

    It solely means that the traffic light cannot be used to determine it, but also does not prevent one from going further.

    If you approach a flashing amber, it tells you to yield right of way to anything beyond it.


  • #64
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Amber/red is only marginally more efficient than our system. The reason being that all red time is longer in the Amber/red system than the way we do things here.


  • #65
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,577 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    There's the same number of seconds in a day irrespective of the colour combinations of traffic light sequences.

    Given how frequently I find myself having to pause before taking off at a green light for the last two (or sometimes three) stragglers sailing through the red light from the other direction I wouldn't see a combined red + amber helping much.

    If anything addind red + amber would probably make things worse as some quick off the line drivers will treat it as go and inevitably meet with the drivers from the other direction who treat amber as 'go quick before the lights change' and the resultant collision completely block the junction for everybody for the next hour.


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