When did Gemma O Doherty go batshyt crazy?

Auntie Semite

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

LOL. 9K views is "doing well". There are kids livestreaming fortnite that get multiples of that.

Yes it's true, there are also 'Cam Girls' who get over 100k live viewers per show. I recently read about one young girl who sits in her bedroom making faces at the camera and earns 150k a week!
If Gemma got naked in front of the camera she would probably increase her viewership 100 fold but it's a political show and that will always come second place to entertainment. It's still early days for Gemma, she's building her profile on YouTube and the progress thus far has been decent.

gmisk

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Yes it's true, there are also 'Cam Girls' who get over 100k live viewers per show. I recently read about one young girl who sits in her bedroom making faces at the camera and earns 150k a week!
If Gemma got naked in front of the camera she would probably increase her viewership 100 fold but it's a political show and that will always come second place to entertainment. It's still early days for Gemma, she's building her profile on YouTube and the progress thus far has been decent.

Would you honestly classify it as that?
Would you classify info wars as a political show?

Auntie Semite

gmisk wrote: »

Succeeds in what exactly?
Taking down unicorns?

I'm sure you're aware that Unicorns are being used to teach the prevailing Gender ideology to children in some schools. This is what Gemma has a problem with. You may believe her to be a bigot.. That's fine. But she's not railing against mythical unicorns but the fact that they are being used to explain Gender beliefs to kids.
If you haven't heard of this then maybe Google 'Gender Unicorns' to find out more.

Auntie Semite

marieholmfan wrote: »

At what?

A getting her message out there and providing an alternative platform which I think Ireland desperately needs.

dav3

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Yes it's true, there are also 'Cam Girls' who get over 100k live viewers per show. I recently read about one young girl who sits in her bedroom making faces at the camera and earns 150k a week!
If Gemma got naked in front of the camera she would probably increase her viewership 100 fold but it's a political show and that will always come second place to entertainment. It's still early days for Gemma, she's building her profile on YouTube and the progress thus far has been decent.

Come on now. Let’s not completely lose the run of ourselves here.

Auntie Semite

gmisk wrote: »

Would you honestly classify it as that?
Would you classify info wars as a political show?

Yes I would, well perhaps politics mixed with social issues. Info wars is the same (just because info wars is not exactly on the sane end of the spectrum doesn't mean its not about politics)
Although I'm not overly familiar with Info Wars I watched a bit during the 2016 election but not since.

Grayson

How about saying it's politics with a heavy dose of fiction that masquerades as politics.

ohnonotgmail

Grayson wrote: »

How about saying it's politics with a heavy dose of fiction that masquerades as politics.

Or a whole lot of fiction of the particularly crazy kind with a little bit of politics thrown in.

Grayson

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Or a whole lot of fiction of the particularly crazy kind with a little bit of politics thrown in.

Politically themed fiction with some fantasy/sci-fi thrown in?

Auntie Semite

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Or a whole lot of fiction of the particularly crazy kind with a little bit of politics thrown in.

If that's what you think then that's fine. I don't agree (mostly)
I wonder though if her detractors are actually watching her full shows?
I notice there are very few down votes on YouTube, frankly I thought there would be a lot more. This tells me that perhaps people may not be actually watching but rather are relying on second hand information about her.
Personally I always like to listen to a message myself whether I agree with it or not so I can fully grasp it and dismiss it with confidence.

Subcomandante Marcos

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

There's a simple and very obvious answer to this 'dilemma'

Get the churches out of the schools we pay for, let them run their own schools without taxpayer funding if they want.

How Rory Quinn's repatriation program wasn't followed up with is a mystery the be.
The churches were given the land in trust to provide education when the state couldn't/wouldn't. The state then paid for the construction of the schools and the salaries of the staff for the following 8 decades, the church are still holding on to the small amount of power the have with their filthy gurbby hands for dear life but should be told to **** off and have the lands turned back over to the state.

Auntie Semite

gmisk wrote: »

To each their own I suppose....perhaps religion helps people with some of those issues. I think a lot of people still have a degree of belief in a higher power but have little to no faith in the RC church and others, lets be honest a lot of their behaviour hasnt been exactly christian like.

But I would take ICT from my point of view....


That 2nd paragraph has gone full tinfoil hat brigade.....
but I for one welcome our new luciferian worshipping overlords.

This is an interesting one. I used to dismiss this as complete nonsense and I suppose I still do. But the argument is that those (whoever they are) at the top believe in Lucifer. Another way of putting it is a number of years ago a conspiracy minded person explained to me that he didn't believe in Lucifer but the elites do. That's the difference.
Sounds crazy right?
Well do you believe that Witches are real and that the power of Witchcraft is real?
I certainly don't but Minister for Children Katherine Zapoone does and is in fact a self described Witch.
She has written academic papers which confirm her genuine belief in Witchcraft.
So the idea that politicians, high-ups or the 'elite' have crazy beliefs is not so far fetched really.

baby and crumble

Auntie Semite wrote: »

I'm sure you're aware that Unicorns are being used to teach the prevailing Gender ideology to children in some schools. This is what Gemma has a problem with. You may believe her to be a bigot.. That's fine. But she's not railing against mythical unicorns but the fact that they are being used to explain Gender beliefs to kids.
If you haven't heard of this then maybe Google 'Gender Unicorns' to find out more.

Here's the thing.

When i was young, i thought I was a freak. I thought I was sick, that there was something wrong with me. Nobody talked about being gay, nobody every even mentioned it to me as a child. I was raised under the assumption I was straight, with my parents having raised me that way, my family was all straight, I never learned about 'gay stuff' until I was in secondary school, and even then it was all just whispered words and the odd thing on tv (inevitably that had a terrible ending for whatever gay characters there were).

I'm 36 now and gay. I was always gay. I was never straight. I didn't learn about gay issues at an impressionable time and it took me until I was 21 to come out to myself and my family. I'm now a reasonably well adjusted, married woman with a good job, a good education, and I'm a fairly responsible adult with various responsibilities. But being forced all all the straight education in the world didn't make me straight. It's the same with gender.

But there was a time in my teens when I was tempted to kill myself. I was tempted to do that because I was terrified I was the only person like me in the world, and CERTAINLY I was the only one in my little home town. i had to be, nobody talked about it. So I had some really dark dark times then. If someone in my school days had been like "hey, some people are gay that's fine" then my life in my teens would have been dramatically different. And safer.

Which is why I will never ever ever stand by and let someone say 'we shouldn't teach kids about this stuff' because right now, whether YOU like it or not there's a little 7 year old freaking out because they think they're a freak, a weirdo, sick. Do you want their mental health on your conscience?

gmisk

Auntie Semite wrote: »

I'm sure you're aware that Unicorns are being used to teach the prevailing Gender ideology to children in some schools. This is what Gemma has a problem with. You may believe her to be a bigot.. That's fine. But she's not railing against mythical unicorns but the fact that they are being used to explain Gender beliefs to kids.
If you haven't heard of this then maybe Google 'Gender Unicorns' to find out more.

I know what it is and i think something that can help more easily explain gender isnt a bad thing, I am also not sure how widely it is used in ireland.

Do you agree with Gemma that tea towels from TK Maxx with unicorns are pushing a transgender agenda?

Or if unicorns appear anywhere are they doing this?
https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1100159633656815616



Yes I do believe her to be a deranged bigot, not just on this instance you just have to look at all the dangerous anti vaxx rubbish she also spouts for example.

ohnonotgmail

Auntie Semite wrote: »

This is an interesting one. I used to dismiss this as complete nonsense and I suppose I still do. But the argument is that those (whoever they are) at the top believe in Lucifer. Another way of putting it is a number of years ago a conspiracy minded person explained to me that he didn't believe in Lucifer but the elites do. That's the difference.
Sounds crazy right?
Well do you believe that Witches are real and that the power of Witchcraft is real?
I certainly don't but Minister for Children Katherine Zapoone does and is in fact a self described Witch.
She has written academic papers which confirm her genuine belief in Witchcraft.
So the idea that politicians, high-ups or the 'elite' have crazy beliefs is not so far fetched really.

no more crazy than believing in the catholic church.

gmisk

Auntie Semite wrote: »

This is an interesting one. I used to dismiss this as complete nonsense and I suppose I still do. But the argument is that those (whoever they are) at the top believe in Lucifer. Another way of putting it is a number of years ago a conspiracy minded person explained to me that he didn't believe in Lucifer but the elites do. That's the difference.
Sounds crazy right?
Well do you believe that Witches are real and that the power of Witchcraft is real?
I certainly don't but Minister for Children Katherine Zapoone does and is in fact a self described Witch.
She has written academic papers which confirm her genuine belief in Witchcraft.
So the idea that politicians, high-ups or the 'elite' have crazy beliefs is not so far fetched really.

It does........because it is.


If katherine zappone or anyone else is into that mumbo jumbo and considers herself/himself a white witch no skin of my nose. Its no less strange tbh to me than being a devout catholic and plenty of them in power.
Can I ask why you singled out Katherine Zappone, is it because she is a lesbian?

Birneybau

HAIL SATAN

Auntie Semite

baby and crumble wrote: »

Here's the thing.

When i was young, i thought I was a freak. I thought I was sick, that there was something wrong with me. Nobody talked about being gay, nobody every even mentioned it to me as a child. I was raised under the assumption I was straight, with my parents having raised me that way, my family was all straight, I never learned about 'gay stuff' until I was in secondary school, and even then it was all just whispered words and the odd thing on tv (inevitably that had a terrible ending for whatever gay characters there were).

I'm 36 now and gay. I was always gay. I was never straight. I didn't learn about gay issues at an impressionable time and it took me until I was 21 to come out to myself and my family. I'm now a reasonably well adjusted, married woman with a good job, a good education, and I'm a fairly responsible adult with various responsibilities. But being forced all all the straight education in the world didn't make me straight. It's the same with gender.

But there was a time in my teens when I was tempted to kill myself. I was tempted to do that because I was terrified I was the only person like me in the world, and CERTAINLY I was the only one in my little home town. i had to be, nobody talked about it. So I had some really dark dark times then. If someone in my school days had been like "hey, some people are gay that's fine" then my life in my teens would have been dramatically different. And safer.

Which is why I will never ever ever stand by and let someone say 'we shouldn't teach kids about this stuff' because right now, whether YOU like it or not there's a little 7 year old freaking out because they think they're a freak, a weirdo, sick. Do you want their mental health on your conscience?

I obviously don't want anyone to suffer psychologically but I also don't want highly impressionable children to mutilate their bodies with surgery and hormones, destroy their genitals, permanently alter their bodily chemistry only to deeply regret it later and ultimately commit suicide.
There's a huge difference between being gay which involves no body or hormonal modification and the type of transgenderism which does.

Auntie Semite

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no more crazy than believing in the catholic church.

Yes and also Islam and Judaism. Would you agree that they are crazy beliefs?

Grayson

Auntie Semite wrote: »

If that's what you think then that's fine. I don't agree (mostly)
I wonder though if her detractors are actually watching her full shows?
I notice there are very few down votes on YouTube, frankly I thought there would be a lot more. This tells me that perhaps people may not be actually watching but rather are relying on second hand information about her.
Personally I always like to listen to a message myself whether I agree with it or not so I can fully grasp it and dismiss it with confidence.

I don't have time to watch her whole thing. I've seen clips and I do see her on twitter and the stuff she comes out with is crazy. It's proper conspiracy theory stuff.

It's a pity. Because we are a small country we don't have many large newspapers and it would be great to have another investigative journalist. the problem is that she's jumped the shark. When she starts posting stuff like this, you know she's lost it.

https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1100371974319161344



At this point she's her own worst enemy. No-one will ever take her seriously and for good reason too.

ohnonotgmail

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Yes and also Islam and Judaism. Would you agree that they are crazy beliefs?

they are. But they are on a much lower level of crazy than believing the world is controlled by a luciferian worshipping illuminati,

Grayson

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Yes and also Islam and Judaism. Would you agree that they are crazy beliefs?

All religion is crazy and irrational. If it wasn't we'd be calling it science.

nozzferrahhtoo

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Yes and also Islam and Judaism. Would you agree that they are crazy beliefs?

I think "Crazy" is a value judgement we do not need. Better for me is to identify their core teachings are unsubstantiated delusions. There are no reasons at this time on offer to think there is a god, a Satan, or magical witches or unicorns. Or that Jesus and Mo were anything other than entirely normal every day humans assuming they both existed at all.

One can not prove none of these things exist, but to operate under the illusion they do without a single piece of evidence that they do, is delusional really. Which is fine if you want to be deluded but I am unsure why we need to be indoctrinating children into the same delusions. At least when we tell children Transgender people exist, we have evidence that is actually true.

There is however reasons to think the feelings behind transgenderism are real and that people are genuinely suffering because of them. And if there are procedures and processes by which their well being can be improved, I am for that.

I am reading the text on that tweet above over and over and over and can not actually identify what triggered the Twitter user in question to become so offended by it. I am not seeing the "filth" in the text of the image. Could someone help me out there?

Auntie Semite

gmisk wrote: »

It does........because it is.


If katherine zappone or anyone else is into that mumbo jumbo and considers herself/himself a white witch no skin of my nose. Its no less strange tbh to me than being a devout catholic and plenty of them in power.
Can I ask why you singled out Katherine Zappone, is it because she is a lesbian?

My point was that a poster mentioned Luciferian worshiping elites, another poster described that as bat**** and all I was saying was that it was not such a far fetched idea as even one of our own politicians holds a belief that most of us would consider crazy IE Zappone and witchcraft.
Her sexuall orientation is neither here nor there I don't know why you would say that.

ohnonotgmail

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

I think "Crazy" is a value judgement we do not need. Better for me is to identify their core teachings are unsubstantiated delusions. There are no reasons at this time on offer to think there is a god, a Satan, or magical witches or unicorns. Or that Jesus and Mo were anything other than entirely normal every day humans assuming they both existed at all.

One can not prove none of these things exist, but to operate under the illusion they do without a single piece of evidence that they do, is delusional really. Which is fine if you want to be deluded but I am unsure why we need to be indoctrinating children into the same delusions. At least when we tell children Transgender people exist, we have evidence that is actually true.

There is however reasons to think the feelings behind transgenderism are real and that people are genuinely suffering because of them. And if there are procedures and processes by which their well being can be improved, I am for that.

I am reading the text on that tweet above over and over and over and can not actually identify what triggered the Twitter user in question to become so offended by it. I am not seeing the "filth" in the text of the image. Could someone help me out there?

well its unicorns innit? You know, indoctrinating children into the gayness. Or something.

baby and crumble

Auntie Semite wrote: »

I obviously don't want anyone to suffer psychologically but I also don't want highly impressionable children to mutilate their bodies with surgery and hormones, destroy their genitals, permanently alter their bodily chemistry only to deeply regret it later and ultimately commit suicide.
There's a huge difference between being gay which involves no body or hormonal modification and the type of transgenderism which does.

Ok, let's really get in to this.

Children CANNOT do these things legally in Ireland, without parental consent.

Anyone over the age of 18 can self declare their gender contrary to a birth certificate. A teenager who is aged 16-17 can do so but it is a much stricter process.

There is a 2-year wait to see an endocrinologist here in Ireland, in order to start medical transition, with starts with hormones. There are currently only TWO endocrinologists in Ireland working in the field of trans healthcare, for the estimated 1-2% of the population who are trans.

There are NO surgeons operating in Ireland who will perform genital surgery.

Significant research has been carried out by medical professionals, psychiatric professionals etc and the majority of these studies confirm that working with children who are gender variant in some way SAVES LIVES. Do yo know what the current rate of suicide is for trans youth? 78% of trans people have thought about committing suicide and 40% have attempted it. The reason most often given by trans people is because of the deep mental anguish experienced by being consistently misgendered and told, by people like you, that they are wrong. These number of trans people thinking about suicide etc AFTER transition reduces SIGNIFICANTLY and becomes more in line with the rest of society.

Please educate yourself on gender and trans issues and research before making wild assumptions the issue.

Ipso

Birneybau wrote: »

HAIL SATAN

At least he killed less people than god.

Ipso

Grayson wrote: »

I don't have time to watch her whole thing. I've seen clips and I do see her on twitter and the stuff she comes out with is crazy. It's proper conspiracy theory stuff.

It's a pity. Because we are a small country we don't have many large newspapers and it would be great to have another investigative journalist. the problem is that she's jumped the shark. When she starts posting stuff like this, you know she's lost it.

https://twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1100371974319161344



At this point she's her own worst enemy. No-one will ever take her seriously and for good reason too.

Why is five years the magic number, do unicorns not like it?

ohnonotgmail

Ipso wrote: »

At least he killed less people than god.

There is only one reference in the bible of Satan killing anybody. And God ordered him to do it.

Auntie Semite

baby and crumble wrote: »

Ok, let's really get in to this.

Children CANNOT do these things legally in Ireland, without parental consent.

Anyone over the age of 18 can self declare their gender contrary to a birth certificate. A teenager who is aged 16-17 can do so but it is a much stricter process.

There is a 2-year wait to see an endocrinologist here in Ireland, in order to start medical transition, with starts with hormones. There are currently only TWO endocrinologists in Ireland working in the field of trans healthcare, for the estimated 1-2% of the population who are trans.

There are NO surgeons operating in Ireland who will perform genital surgery.

Significant research has been carried out by medical professionals, psychiatric professionals etc and the majority of these studies confirm that working with children who are gender variant in some way SAVES LIVES. Do yo know what the current rate of suicide is for trans youth? 78% of trans people have thought about committing suicide and 40% have attempted it. The reason most often given by trans people is because of the deep mental anguish experienced by being consistently misgendered and told, by people like you, that they are wrong. These number of trans people thinking about suicide etc AFTER transition reduces SIGNIFICANTLY and becomes more in line with the rest of society.

Please educate yourself on gender and trans issues and research before making wild assumptions the issue.

Some would say the suicide rate is so high because transitioning ultimately doesn't work.
Even the experience of Jazz Jenning whos newly formed Vagina 'fell apart' soon after surgery shows that medical science is not quite ready for this yet.

I have to say I am loathe to continue this discussion as I feel if I express my genuine opinions on the subject I will get banned and I only joined the site yesterday.

Hotblack Desiato

This won't stop going through my head now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bcnO3VQ_fc

nozzferrahhtoo

Auntie Semite wrote: »

I have to say I am loathe to continue this discussion as I feel if I express my genuine opinions on the subject I will get banned and I only joined the site yesterday.

The site is a lot more permissive than people who get banned for genuine reasons would like to pretend. For example you have joined with a user name that is a clear play on labeling yourself with Antisemitism. Yet no one has rushed to ban you yet have they? Unless you are a re-reg and unless you conduct yourself very poorly I doubt you will get banned. So do not hide behind that as a dodge out of the conversation.

Auntie Semite

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

The site is a lot more permissive than people who get banned for genuine reasons would like to pretend. For example you have joined with a user name that is a clear play on labeling yourself with Antisemitism. Yet no one has rushed to ban you yet have they? Unless you are a re-reg and unless you conduct yourself very poorly I doubt you will get banned. So do not hide behind that as a dodge out of the conversation.

My username was a joke which I now regret. I didn't realise you couldn't change it.
Not a re reg just a long time lurker this is my first time to sign up.

Ipso

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

The site is a lot more permissive than people who get banned for genuine reasons would like to pretend. For example you have joined with a user name that is a clear play on labeling yourself with Antisemitism. Yet no one has rushed to ban you yet have they? Unless you are a re-reg and unless you conduct yourself very poorly I doubt you will get banned. So do not hide behind that as a dodge out of the conversation.

But the victim complex, they’re being oppressed.

baby and crumble

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Some would say the suicide rate is so high because transitioning ultimately doesn't work.
Even the experience of Jazz Jenning whos newly formed Vagina 'fell apart' soon after surgery shows that medical science is not quite ready for this yet.

I have to say I am loathe to continue this discussion as I feel if I express my genuine opinions on the subject I will get banned and I only joined the site yesterday.

Ok well let's just chill out on the hysterics, it didn't 'fall apart' she had a surgery complication like an awful lot of surgical procedures.

I'm fine to leave this subject, but it does say a lot that you're not willing to discuss the issue of transitioning - which is one of Gemma core issues at the moment - without the ability to do so in a calm and civilized manner.

nozzferrahhtoo

Auntie Semite wrote: »

My username was a joke which I now regret. I didn't realise you couldn't change it. Not a re reg just a long time lurker this is my first time to sign up.

Then you are around long enough to know that people do not tend generally to get banned for their beliefs, but how they conduct themselves while expressing those beliefs. Of course THEY never see it that way, and play the "oppression and censorship" card when it happens.

But generally if people express even the most heinous position but do it thoughtfully and with some level of decorum, they do not even get infracted let alone banned.

Read the rules you signed up to when you joined. If you comply with them I would be surprised to see you banned. You will have to forgive us therefore if your withdrawal from the conversation under that narrative looks to us like a cop out.

Auntie Semite

baby and crumble wrote: »

Ok well let's just chill out on the hysterics, it didn't 'fall apart' she had a surgery complication like an awful lot of surgical procedures.

I'm fine to leave this subject, but it does say a lot that you're not willing to discuss the issue of transitioning - which is one of Gemma core issues at the moment - without the ability to do so in a calm and civilized manner.

I'm just going by what she herself said on Twitter "Even though my vagina falling apart was the hardest thing I ever"

I believe I was being calm and civilized I don't set out to deliberately insult or aggravate people.

ohnonotgmail

Auntie Semite wrote: »

I'm just going by what she herself said on Twitter "Even though my vagina falling apart was the hardest thing I ever"

I believe I was being calm and civilized I don't set out to deliberately insult or aggravate people.

but surely you knew she wasn't speaking literally?

Grayson

These are US stats but still relevant

• LGB youth seriously contemplate suicide at almost three times the rate of heterosexual youth.
  
• LGB youth are almost five times as likely to have attempted suicide compared to heterosexual youth
  
• In a national study, 40% of transgender adults reported having made a suicide attempt. 92% of these individuals reported having attempted suicide before the age of 25
  
• LGB youth who come from highly rejecting families are 8.4 times as likely to have attempted suicide as LGB peers who reported no or low levels of family rejection.
  
• 1 out of 6 students nationwide (grades 9–12) seriously considered suicide in the past year.
  
• Each episode of LGBT victimization, such as physical or verbal harassment or abuse, increases the likelihood of self-harming behavior by 2.5 times on average

From here.

Children should not be subjected to state sponsored discrimination against gay teens. Going to a school where they are told that who they are is unnatural is wrong. It actually endangers them.

baby and crumble

Auntie Semite wrote: »

I'm just going by what she herself said on Twitter "Even though my vagina falling apart was the hardest thing I ever"

Well she's hardly going to go into details about surgery complications on her social media with character limits. Also, she's a reality TV star, completely aside from her transition she's obviously going to be trying to get exposure, so a shocking statement like that will get it more than a discreet 'I had some surgical complications but it's all fine now' will. How many other thousands and thousands of people have had completely smooth (as smooth as surgery can ever be) experiences with medically transitioning?

Auntie Semite wrote: »

I believe I was being calm and civilized I don't set out to deliberately insult or aggravate people.

To be fair you were being civilized in your posts (even if some would find it pretty offensive that you're reducing gender and transitioning to genital 'mutilation'). However people don't get banned here for having problematic or anti-trans views. Not even close. So I had to make the assumption that you'd be vitriolic with it, in order to get banned. Especially banned from AH, which has a far looser vibe than other forums.

Auntie Semite

baby and crumble wrote: »

Well she's hardly going to go into details about surgery complications on her social media with character limits. Also, she's a reality TV star, completely aside from her transition she's obviously going to be trying to get exposure, so a shocking statement like that will get it more than a discreet 'I had some surgical complications but it's all fine now' will. How many other thousands and thousands of people have had completely smooth (as smooth as surgery can ever be) experiences with medically transitioning?



To be fair you were being civilized in your posts (even if some would find it pretty offensive that you're reducing gender and transitioning to genital 'mutilation'). However people don't get banned here for having problematic or anti-trans views. Not even close. So I had to make the assumption that you'd be vitriolic with it, in order to get banned. Especially banned from AH, which has a far looser vibe than other forums.

OK fair enough.

I can say then that if I hear my children are being taught or encouraged at school to explore gender identities then I will immediately remove them from school, teach then that I believe what they are being taught is morally wrong and I will search for alternative schooling.
I realise this might greatly offend people but that's my position.

Auntie Semite

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

but surely you knew she wasn't speaking literally?

The point is that the procedure unfortunately did not go well. Even with the best of medical care.
When I was young (in my late 30s now) the prevailing wisdom and what we were taught was to accept who you are and the body you were born with.

baby and crumble

Auntie Semite wrote: »

OK fair enough.

I can say then that if I hear my children are being taught or encouraged at school to explore gender identities then I will immediately remove them from school, teach then that I believe what they are being taught is morally wrong and I will search for alternative schooling.
I realise this might greatly offend people but that's my position.

Well first of all, I don't think there are any plans to 'encourage children to explore gender identities', whatever that even means. Children may be taught that trans people exist (which is true) and that there are supports and systems in place for them. Nobody in a school is going to be like "hey, Jonny, are you SURE you're not really a girl? Are you really sure though???" That's utter nonsense.

I don't think it's offensive that you'd remove your children from a school because of that reason. I think it's damaging to your children, but what you do with your children is no business of mine. Just like I don't think it's the business of anyone else what trans children do - but for some reason Gemma and others seem to think it is.

I hope for their sakes, your kids aren't queer in any way, because it doesn't sound like they'd have much support from home.

baby and crumble

Auntie Semite wrote: »

The point is that the procedure unfortunately did not go well. Even with the best of medical care.
When I was young (in my late 30s now) the prevailing wisdom and what we were taught was to accept who you are and the body you were born with.

I'm the same age as you and the prevailing wisdom I was taught was that I was evil and going to hell because i was gay. I was also taught that people with disabilities were simple, and that people who had depression were 'mad'. There was no major issue with folks having a feed of pints and driving home. There were no seatbelts in the back seats of cars.

Our knowledge about how the world and we as humans works moves on. We have to too.

Auntie Semite

baby and crumble wrote: »

I'm the same age as you and the prevailing wisdom I was taught was that I was evil and going to hell because i was gay. I was also taught that people with disabilities were simple, and that people who had depression were 'mad'. There was no major issue with folks having a feed of pints and driving home. There were no seatbelts in the back seats of cars.

Our knowledge about how the world and we as humans works moves on. We have to too.

You must be older than me so, I went to a strict, Conservative Catholic school and we were taught nothing of the sort. It mightve had something to do with the fact that pretty much every priest there was clearly gay themselves.

Edit just saw you said you are around the same age

baby and crumble

Auntie Semite wrote: »

You must be older than me so, I went to a strict, Conservative Catholic school and we were taught nothing of the sort. It mightve had something to do with the fact that pretty much every priest there was clearly gay themselves.

I'm 36. I went to a progressive COI school (for both primary and secondary), i was more talking about the social attitudes of the time - the 80's & 90's.

MontgomeryClift

aloneforever99 wrote: »

You *still* haven't answered my question. Don't you think generations of facilitating and covering up physical, sexual and emotional abuse disqualifies the RC from controlling education?

Don't you think generations of facilitating and covering up physical, sexual and emotional abuse disqualifies the state from controlling education?

Auntie Semite

baby and crumble wrote: »

I'm the same age as you and the prevailing wisdom I was taught was that I was evil and going to hell because i was gay. I was also taught that people with disabilities were simple, and that people who had depression were 'mad'. There was no major issue with folks having a feed of pints and driving home. There were no seatbelts in the back seats of cars.

Our knowledge about how the world and we as humans works moves on. We have to too.

Reading this makes me wonder about the consistency of teaching in schools across the country. Our Catholic schooling was incredibly empathetic towards those with disabilities in fact we had to work with people with intellectual disabilities during transition year.

baby and crumble

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Reading this makes me wonder about the consistency of teaching in schools across the country. Our Catholic schooling was incredibly empathetic towards those with disabilities in fact we had to work with people with intellectual disabilities during transition year.

I said i was talking about SOCIETIES TEACHING.

Also, I doubt back int he 80's you were taught that people with disabilities were smart, and capable, and not in need of 'care' but of support to be independent? I worked with people with ID for years and the policy in Ireland in the state is still transitioning to that.

Grayson

Auntie Semite wrote: »

You must be older than me so, I went to a strict, Conservative Catholic school and we were taught nothing of the sort. It mightve had something to do with the fact that pretty much every priest there was clearly gay themselves.

Edit just saw you said you are around the same age

Personally, I left school in 93 and we heard horrible stuff about gay people. The religious indoctrination we got was pretty severe. We even had youth defense in for a talk. I was just chatting to a guy in the same company as me who left the same school in the mid 2000's. He was saying it was the same when he was there and a couple of priests also went on a bit of a mad anti islam phase after 911.

That crap shouldn't be allowed in schools. Not at all. No-one should be telling gay kids that they are unnatural. It's just wrong. And unnatural is one of the better ways they describe gay people.