Beep scheme - anyone joining

High bike

Does anyone know if Enfer Labs test the dung samples,I send my bvd samples there

ABitofsense

charolais0153 wrote: »

Very easy do dung sample in a field, cattle all lying down, walk up to them, they stand up and shiit, very easy

Did this yesterday evening, just takes a bit of patience. It took 45min for 10 from the 19 i have to go!

Samples sent back this morning so be interesting to see the results

Base price

High bike wrote: »

Does anyone know if Enfer Labs test the dung samples,I send my bvd samples there

AFAIK they don't do dung samples. I also send our bvd sample there but send dung samples to Oldcastle labs. I suppose I should send the bvd's to Oldcastle but it's hard to change a habit.

Sugarbowl

Do we just go away and order a dung test from one of the labs? Is there any other formality to be done on ICBF etc to submit that we have done it?

minerleague

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Do we just go away and order a dung test from one of the labs? Is there any other formality to be done on ICBF etc to submit that we have done it?

rang Animal health labs bandon ( do my bvd) 25 euro and they send U the test kit

pure breed

Sugarbowl wrote:

Do we just go away and order a dung test from one of the labs? Is there any other formality to be done on ICBF etc to submit that we have done it?

Looks like it.
I Rang the Dept about Beep s and there is a voice message saying they aren't taking calls about Beep Scheme due to Covid 19, sent a email. Not much good asking my oul lad and similar to him to send an email. lazy!!!!

Green&Red

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Do we just go away and order a dung test from one of the labs? Is there any other formality to be done on ICBF etc to submit that we have done it?

Elphin told me they notify the department

High bike

Base price wrote: »

AFAIK they don't do dung samples. I also send our bvd sample there but send dung samples to Oldcastle labs. I suppose I should send the bvd's to Oldcastle but it's hard to change a habit.

Your right they don’t I rang this morning,got on to the Equine Centre 22 e for the 10 samples including postage results in 24 hrs

Aravo

Got my sample bottles from Oldcastle. They are huge each one holds 100ml. The dept. Docs state a heaped teaspoonful of material per sample. Home much is needed to test a sample. I ain't fillings the things or half filling them. Would 30ml be enough. I see it cost approx. e15 to courier out the empty bottles to me.
Anyone used Oldcastle recently

TPF2012

I have entered the scheme and just wondering on something. I have had my last 2 cows calf there during week and that means both cow will have 2 calves in the reference period as they both had calves last July. Will I get paid for 2 calves to one cow. Still have the July 2019 calves on Farm.

High bike

TPF2012 wrote: »

I have entered the scheme and just wondering on something. I have had my last 2 cows calf there during week and that means both cow will have 2 calves in the reference period as they both had calves last July. Will I get paid for 2 calves to one cow. Still have the July 2019 calves on Farm.

f they calved twice in the reference period don't see why not, sure just weigh em and see what happens

Aravo

TPF2012 wrote: »

I have entered the scheme and just wondering on something. I have had my last 2 cows calf there during week and that means both cow will have 2 calves in the reference period as they both had calves last July. Will I get paid for 2 calves to one cow. Still have the July 2019 calves on Farm.

From T&C's weighing Requirement 2 - Unweaned live calf and dam to be weighed on same day.

High bike

Aravo wrote: »

From T&C's weighing Requirement 2 - Unweaned live calf and dam to be weighed on same day.

well that answers that question

Hard Knocks

Aravo wrote: »

Got my sample bottles from Oldcastle. They are huge each one holds 100ml. The dept. Docs state a heaped teaspoonful of material per sample. Home much is needed to test a sample. I ain't fillings the things or half filling them. Would 30ml be enough. I see it cost approx. e15 to courier out the empty bottles to me.
Anyone used Oldcastle recently

Used them, very satisfied
It costs €15 to courier back too unless you use post office
If using Courier give Oldcastle a days notice as Couriers are very busy

I filled the cup from 1 cow, that’s all we needed

jfh

TPF2012 wrote: »

I have entered the scheme and just wondering on something. I have had my last 2 cows calf there during week and that means both cow will have 2 calves in the reference period as they both had calves last July. Will I get paid for 2 calves to one cow. Still have the July 2019 calves on Farm.

I'm nearly sure that I got paid on a few like this last year

irishguy19772

Can I just ask about last year's cows. If they are already weaned last Oct, what is the reason for collecting data on them this year?

Magic A

Green&Red wrote: »

You can see them the next day, I did it last year. You’ll need to take the dung sample before you sell I’d imagine

Also if you have selected the meal feeding option you have to feed meal 4 weeks before weaning and 2 weeks after

893bet

irishguy19772 wrote: »

Can I just ask about last year's cows. If they are already weaned last Oct, what is the reason for collecting data on them this year?

If they weaned last October surely they have another calf at foot at this point?

If not they should be hanging up.

irishguy19772

No. They are due to calve in next few weeks. My question is I have 5 calves from cows this year that need weaning. I also have 2 from last year that seem to be part of the scheme, but since they are already weaned should I just exclude then?

Hard Knocks

irishguy19772 wrote: »

No. They are due to calve in next few weeks. My question is I have 5 calves from cows this year that need weaning. I also have 2 from last year that seem to be part of the scheme, but since they are already weaned should I just exclude then?

Exclude nothing
Weigh everything, maybe now & later in the year
2 calves is €180
Maybe you might not be paid on them, but if you exclude you’ll definitely not be paid

bogman_bass

The worst that will happen is you’ll know how your calves are performing.

Bellview

irishguy19772 wrote: »

No. They are due to calve in next few weeks. My question is I have 5 calves from cows this year that need weaning. I also have 2 from last year that seem to be part of the scheme, but since they are already weaned should I just exclude then?

I had similar last year with a few and weighed they were only weaned a short while so no big difference

Micey.ie

If you are recording weights on ICBF,you will see what animals are eligible at present for the scheme.
It was another ill thought scheme where closing date was 15th May,where calves born in July August and September last year would have been weaned off cows by closing date by a lot of farmers.
The weaning part of the scheme is very vague-there doesn’t appear anywhere to record weaning date or introduce meal feeding.The previous scheme had dates to record this and you were penalised if you sold weanlings that weren’t at least 2 weeks off cow.

dohc turbo2

Micey.ie wrote: »

If you are recording weights on ICBF,you will see what animals are eligible at present for the scheme.
It was another ill thought scheme where closing date was 15th May,where calves born in July August and September last year would have been weaned off cows by closing date by a lot of farmers.
The weaning part of the scheme is very vague-there doesn’t appear anywhere to record weaning date or introduce meal feeding.The previous scheme had dates to record this and you were penalised if you sold weanlings that weren’t at least 2 weeks off cow.

Just says u need weaning dates and invoices , how much ration per animal is very vague by them

Bellview

Is there any minimum age that the calves must reach before being sold.. as I plan on moving a few at 8 months

tanko

Bellview wrote: »

Is there any minimum age that the calves must reach before being sold.. as I plan on moving a few at 8 months

I don’t think there’s a minimum age but they prefer them weighed between 150-250 days old i think, 8 months old is fine anyway as long as you weigh each cow and unweaned calf unit on the same day.

ABitofsense

tanko wrote: »

I don’t think there’s a minimum age but they prefer them weighed between 150-250 days old i think, 8 months old is fine anyway as long as you weigh each cow and unweaned calf unit on the same day.

Where did you see the 150-250 days? I was going to weigh next week when I'm dosing. Calves born from March to May

tanko

ABitofsense wrote: »

Where did you see the 150-250 days? I was going to weigh next week when I'm dosing. Calves born from March to May

Checked the t&c’s, there’s no mention of it, I must have been thinking of last years scheme.

For this years scheme it says that the dept will write to farmers suggesting a 4 week window in which they would like us to weigh calves and cows but there doesn’t seem to be any penalty if weighing is done outside this window.

lab man

Base price wrote: »

AFAIK they don't do dung samples. I also send our bvd sample there but send dung samples to Oldcastle labs. I suppose I should send the bvd's to Oldcastle but it's hard to change a habit.

They're not doing the dung sample as the government have them doing corvid 19 tests a lady from there told me there on Friday when I was looking for test pots she told me to ring old castle too

Bellview

ABitofsense wrote: »

Where did you see the 150-250 days? I was going to weigh next week when I'm dosing. Calves born from March to May

I think it’s preferred they are weighed between 200 to 300 days .. but not a condition for payment as last year I weighed a lad that was 6 weeks old and I got paid

Anto_Meath

Yes 3 of mine last year were not old enough & then excluded from ths performance report but I still got paid on them all.

High bike

Have a scales ordered on the ICBF site for 8th July but need to change it and cant see a facility on the site to do it, does anyone know if it can be done on line or do I ring about it??

tanko

High bike wrote: »

Have a scales ordered on the ICBF site for 8th July but need to change it and cant see a facility on the site to do it, does anyone know if it can be done on line or do I ring about it??

I don’t know if you can do it online but if you ring the place you’re getting the scales from they should be able to change it for you.

Wes Palmer Lee

Do you need to be registered with ICBF?

Hard Knocks

Wes Palmer Lee wrote: »

Do you need to be registered with ICBF?

No, they’ll send you out the paperwork
It is easier if you have herdplus but it’s €60/yr

Hard Knocks

If a cow has twins but 1 is born dead
Are you paid on both or just the live calf?

Sugarbowl

I’d say just the live calf. I had a still born calf here and the cow did not qualify for payment.

ABitofsense

Did the weighing today. Very interesting to see differences between cows & different bulls. My first 2 calves lodge Hamlet & knell at 205kg & 195kg at 112 days. Cows only 554kg & 620kg

Hard Knocks

ABitofsense wrote: »

Did the weighing today. Very interesting to see differences between cows & different bulls. My first 2 calves lodge Hamlet & knell at 205kg & 195kg at 112 days. Cows only 554kg & 620kg

Are they first calvers?

ABitofsense

Cow hex with lodge Hamlet a 2nd Calver & other with knell first Calver aax.

Sugarbowl

I’ve the weighing done here too. The heifers are outperforming the bulls....
A SA heifer off a 3 star white head cow was 191 kg after 98 days with ADG of 1.53.

A CH heifer off a 5 star Saler cow with great milk was 182 kg after 84 days with ADG of 1.63

Use AI so all dates of births are accurate here. Had already picked them out as replacements so delighted with how they were going.

annubis

what about the meal and weaning date etc, doesnt seem to be any option to add this info to the icbf site as of yet anyway

tanko

Keep receipts for any meal you buy, i assume they’ll have to be sent in at some stage.

tellmeabit

Where can I see the date that I'm to weigh them or is it a time after July 1st

893bet

tellmeabit wrote: »

Where can I see the date that I'm to weigh them or is it a time after July 1st

You can weight them when ever as long as they are born before the first of July and are unweaned.

I am weighing tomorrow as there are a few from late last year that are approaching weaning.

High bike

tanko wrote: »

Keep receipts for any meal you buy, i assume they’ll have to be sent in at some stage.

there doesn’t seem to be any minimum amount of meal to be fed,just before and after weaning is that right?

tellmeabit

893bet wrote: »

You can weight them when ever as long as they are born before the first of July and are unweaned.

I am weighing tomorrow as there are a few from late last year that are approaching weaning.

Thanks. Mine are March April and a couple over the last few days snuck in. I'll probably weigh them asap.
Thanks

tanko

High bike wrote: »

there doesn’t seem to be any minimum amount of meal to be fed,just before and after weaning is that right?

It says that enough should be fed to give an adequate level of nutrition.
It’s a bit vague.

High bike

tanko wrote: »

It says that enough should be fed to give an adequate level of nutrition.
It’s a bit vague.

so I suppose 1 to 2 kgs a day?

tanko

High bike wrote: »

so I suppose 1 to 2 kgs a day?

Yeah i’d Imagine that would be grand.

I vaccinate here every year so i’ll stick with that.