Whey protein.

obi604

Hi

Have never used whey protein before so apologies. Have been reading and I see they can be taken at any time really during the day......breakfast time, pre workout, post workout, between meals, just before bed etc


Let’s say this is scenario

Go to gym at 6pm or so.
Do a warmup on bike or rower etc
and then do weights.
Then immediately after this, take the whey protein shake
Drive home and 30 minutes later have a meal (tuna etc)

Is this too soon to have the meal?
Or is a meal even needed for another couple of hours

Alf Veedersane

obi604 wrote: »

Hi

Have never used whey protein before so apologies. Have been reading and I see they can be taken at any time really during the day......breakfast time, pre workout, post workout, between meals, just before bed etc


Let’s say this is scenario

Go to gym at 6pm or so.
Do a warmup on bike or rower etc
and then do weights.
Then immediately after this, take the whey protein shake
Drive home and 30 minutes later have a meal (tuna etc)

Is this too soon to have the meal?
Or is a meal even needed for another couple of hours

Ideally, you'd get your protein equally spaced throughout the day.

No need to worry about how soon after a workout you have it but I would either have the whey protein or meal when you get home and have protein shake another time if necessary

obi604

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Ideally, you'd get your protein equally spaced throughout the day.

No need to worry about how soon after a workout you have it but I would either have the whey protein or meal when you get home and have protein shake another time if necessary

Thanks for reply.

Are you making a difference between “whey protein” and “protein shake” ?

Alf Veedersane

obi604 wrote: »

Thanks for reply.

Are you making a difference between “whey protein” and “protein shake” ?

No. Most people put whey protein and milk/water in a drinking container and shake at voila, a protein shake.

jhenno78

Food is food, protein is protein.

The reasons to take whey are that it's handy, easy to horse down you, and can be quite cheap.

Wouldn't worry about having to or avoiding eating right after workout. There's the "mega boost to muscle building by eating protein right after workout. grrr!" guff but it doesn't seem to be based on much and is probably just marketing.

Personally I do, I find I get quite hungry about an hour or so later otherwise. Try different things and see what suits.

TallGlass

They say there is a 'window' after your workout that using a protein shake is 'more' benifical.

Would make sense, tearing muscle down it wants to build it back up, demand on protein would increase.

However people go hell for leather with the things! Do the calculations, see how much you need to be taking in, see if your food your eating enoght protein and supplement accordingly.

It's also recommend to have a shake prior to gym also about 2 hrs before.

The main name of the game here to make sure overall your protein intake is the right amount in your macros. If your eating 100g more protein than needed. Either will either end up as waste, end up as fat or burnt up. You'll still need a mix of 'good' fats and quality carbs in your system and reaching correct macros accordingly too.

TallGlass

jhenno78 wrote: »

Food is food, protein is protein.

The reasons to take whey are that it's handy, easy to horse down you, and can be quite cheap.

Wouldn't worry about having to or avoiding eating right after workout. There's the "mega boost to muscle building by eating protein right after workout. grrr!" guff but it doesn't seem to be based on much and is probably just marketing.

Personally I do, I find I get quite hungry about an hour or so later otherwise. Try different things and see what suits.

I think it's a bit of a fad too. However, maybe coincidence here but I had an awful case of shin splits in my legs. Really sorry, then I had my morning protein shake and the pain just went.

Alf Veedersane

TallGlass wrote: »

I think it's a bit of a fad too. However, maybe coincidence here but I had an awful case of shin splits in my legs. Really sorry, then I had my morning protein shake and the pain just went.

Protein is a fad?

TallGlass

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Protein is a fad?

Yeah it's a fad????? Protein. Is that a serious question.

Did you read my other post?

Alf Veedersane

TallGlass wrote: »

Yeah it's a fad????? Protein. Is that a serious question.

What we're you referring to as being a fad?

TallGlass

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

What we're you referring to as being a fad?

The window after working out or exercise.

Happy to read any experiments on it.

jhenno78

Interesting thing about protein recently in the Guardian, about the extremes of focusing on it to the exclusion of everything else and how obsession with protein is a bit of a fad (as opposed to it being part of a balanced diet).
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Alf Veedersane

TallGlass wrote: »

The window after working out or exercise.

Happy to read any experiments on it.

Ah. It wasn't clear to what you were referring. It's not altogether unusual to hear protein is a fad sometimes...

TallGlass

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Ah. It wasn't clear to what you were referring. It's not altogether unusual to hear protein is a fad sometimes...

No worries. I think excessive amounts of intakes even past what a high protein diet would call for is just unneeded. Along with just totally ignoring other macros, plus knowledge on the protein quality etc..

The main thing is to find out how much is recommended you take in based on weight, height, age, gender and your goals. It will throw out a figure, hit that target, do same for carbs and fats. Then make sure the source of protein, carbs and fats are clean, good quality sources. I wouldn't neglected your micros either, using supplements or ideally fruits and vegetables.

obi604

TallGlass wrote: »

No worries. I think excessive amounts of intakes even past what a high protein diet would call for is just unneeded. Along with just totally ignoring other macros, plus knowledge on the protein quality etc..

The main thing is to find out how much is recommended you take in based on weight, height, age, gender and your goals. It will throw out a figure, hit that target, do same for carbs and fats. Then make sure the source of protein, carbs and fats are clean, good quality sources. I wouldn't neglected your micros either, using supplements or ideally fruits and vegetables.

Hi

You mention “micros” and “macros”
Is this a typo between the 2 words?

What do they mean?

Alf Veedersane

obi604 wrote: »

Hi

You mention “micros” and “macros”
Is this a typo between the 2 words?

What do they mean?

Macronutrients = carbohydrates, fats, protein.

Micronutrients = vitamins and minerals that are needed in much smaller quantities

Blacktie.

obi604 wrote: »

Hi

You mention “micros” and “macros”
Is this a typo between the 2 words?

What do they mean?

Micros are vitamins and minerals.

Macros are carbs, protein and fat. Also alcohol but that shouldn't be much part of a healthy diet. Do as I say not as I do

obi604

Silly question. See attached file. What is the honeycomb grill bit for (the yellow part)?

Do you leave in shaker before putting in the whey protein? And then it acts to breaks up the whey protein?

obi604

Silly question. See attached file. What is the honeycomb grill bit for (the yellow part)?

Do you leave in shaker before putting in the whey protein? And then it acts to breaks up the whey protein a bit?

Alf Veedersane

Add whey and milk/water to container, put on grid and lid, then shake.

It's to help break up lumps.

Some (stupid) containers also have a little wore ball to so the same job.

obi604

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Add whey and milk/water to container, put on grid and lid, then shake.

It's to help break up lumps.

Some (stupid) containers also have a little wore ball to so the same job.

Oh ok. Does it actually work?

Alf Veedersane

obi604 wrote: »

Oh ok. Does it actually work?

You shake the bottle and it breaks up lumps. Would it hurt to just assemble the shaker and use as directed?

obi604

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You shake the bottle and it breaks up lumps. Would it hurt to just assemble the shaker and use as directed?

I don’t have a shaker bottle yet.

Mellor

TallGlass wrote: »

The window after working out or exercise.

Happy to read any experiments on it.

Yeah. The window is largely overstated. And makes little digestive sense..
Whoever brought that up probably doesn't really know what they're talking about.

obi604

Mellor wrote: »

Yeah. The world die is largely overstated. And makes little digestive sense..
Whoever brought that up probably doesn't really know what they're talking about.

What do you mean by “the world die”

Mellor

obi604 wrote: »

What do you mean by “the world die”

Should have said window. Typo/Autocorrect

obi604

Mellor wrote: »

Yeah. The window is largely overstated. And makes little digestive sense..
Whoever brought that up probably doesn't really know what they're talking about.

Ok so your saying to try and get protein in to you relatively soon after working out?

Mellor

obi604 wrote: »

Ok so your saying to try and get protein in to you relatively soon after working out?

I'm saying idea of an anabolic protein window is overstated.

obi604

What do seasoned users think is the more practical for their protein.

The tub or the hard plastic bag?

Alf Veedersane

The tub if I'm going to be throwing it around. Other than that, it doesn't matter.

Johnnyhpipe

The bag is a great space saver if your presses are already full of crap like mine!

obi604

Johnnyhpipe wrote: »

The bag is a great space saver if your presses are already full of crap like mine!

Actually yeah. That’s a good point.

Acey10

Sorry for hijacking.. Is not eating til two hours after training too long?

Alf Veedersane

Acey10 wrote: »

Sorry for hijacking.. Is not eating til two hours after training too long?

Not really. I'd try get something within the 2 hours in an ideal world but for a lot of people the overall daily protein intake and being spaced put throughout meals is more important

Gonad

Another question if you guys don’t mind .

If I am working out late at night should I eat another meal before bed

So if finish workout at 10pm . Can I eat a meal that late or would a protein shake do ?

I seen George Lockhart on a podcast recently and he said you are crazy if you are not eating good carbs and protein after a hard workout ...

Alf Veedersane

Gonad wrote: »

Another question if you guys don’t mind .

If I am working out late at night should I eat another meal before bed

So if finish workout at 10pm . Can I eat a meal that late or would a protein shake do ?

I seen George Lockhart on a podcast recently and he said you are crazy if you are not eating good carbs and protein after a hard workout ...

I used just have a banana and a shake cos I can't eat late or it messes with my sleep. Carbs and protein there.

George Lockhart is talking about elite level sports people

Brian?

Acey10 wrote: »

Sorry for hijacking.. Is not eating til two hours after training too long?

I'd be a blubbering mess if I didn't eat 30 minutes after a hard work out. But everyone is different. If you don't feel any I'll effects, I wouldn't worry about it.

Having said that, this is the perfect reason to eat whey protein, when you don't have time to eat a whey shake is perfect.

Brian?

Gonad wrote: »

Another question if you guys don’t mind .

If I am working out late at night should I eat another meal before bed

So if finish workout at 10pm . Can I eat a meal that late or would a protein shake do ?

I seen George Lockhart on a podcast recently and he said you are crazy if you are not eating good carbs and protein after a hard workout ...

There's no reason not to eat that late, unless it messes with your sleep. Bear in mind that carbs make you sleepy and protein keeps you awake. But I never have a problem with it.

Stone Deaf 4evr

Is it not a fair enough statement to say, that unless you're at the absolute peak of physical fitness and conditioning, all this micromanaging of the time you eat is completely pointless? like, if you eat relatively healthily - and by this, I mean eating in line with your recommeded calorie intake, and are getting in your workouts, you're probably doing better than 90% of the population?

Its like when you see lads who are into cycling, spending a fortune on carbon fibre bits and bobs to shave off a few grams of weight here and there, when they'd be better off skipping the takeaway every now and again.

Alf Veedersane

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Is it not a fair enough statement to say, that unless you're at the absolute peak of physical fitness and conditioning, all this micromanaging of the time you eat is completely pointless? like, if you eat relatively healthily - and by this, I mean eating in line with your recommeded calorie intake, and are getting in your workouts, you're probably doing better than 90% of the population?

Its like when you see lads who are into cycling, spending a fortune on carbon fibre bits and bobs to shave off a few grams of weight here and there, when they'd be better off skipping the takeaway every now and again.

Probably fair enough. You'd want to have a lot in check before nutrient timing makes a blind bit of difference.

Mellor

Gonad wrote: »

Another question if you guys don’t mind .

If I am working out late at night should I eat another meal before bed.

Whether you should or shouldn't have a meal/snack/shake late at night should be based on the total amount of food you had over the day. Not the time you went to the gym.

obi604

What do ye make of this



https://www.perfectbody.ie/biotech-usa-100-pure-whey-2270-g-7035

Alf Veedersane

obi604 wrote: »

What do ye make of this



https://www.perfectbody.ie/biotech-usa-100-pure-whey-2270-g-7035

Seems alright. 78% protein is similar enough to likes of MyProtein

fatbhoy

obi604 wrote: »

What do ye make of this



https://www.perfectbody.ie/biotech-usa-100-pure-whey-2270-g-7035

That's not that cheap (16.4/KG). I get the 5KG bags of unflavoured from myprotein, with some kind of discount code applied (easily found on Internet) for about 45 each (9/KG), free delivery.

obi604

fatbhoy wrote: »

That's not that cheap (16.4/KG). I get the 5KG bags of unflavoured from myprotein, with some kind of discount code applied (easily found on Internet) for about 45 each (9/KG), free delivery.

Do you have a link to the product?

Does the ‘flavoured’ cost more?

Alf Veedersane

obi604 wrote: »

Do you have a link to the product?

Does the ‘flavoured’ cost more?

https://www.myprotein.ie/sports-nutrition/impact-whey-protein/10530943.html

5kg for €84 (both flavoured and unflavoured) but using the code 2019 gets you 35% off (€55).

fatbhoy

obi604 wrote: »

Do you have a link to the product?

Does the ‘flavoured’ cost more?

As Alf Veedersane mentioned: https://www.myprotein.ie/sports-nutrition/impact-whey-protein/10530943.html?variation=10530960

Currently, on that link, they're advertising a 40% discount code: LUCK. The price seems higher than normal, but they're quite high anyway usually. That's why you shouldn't even dream of buying it without a discount code.

Google search for my protein discount code and you'll find something; I don't buy unless I find 30%+ discount codes. I'm looking at my order history there, and the last good few orders, each of three 5KG unflavoured, were around 130 euros. I've found that if the Sterling exchange rate is good, you can go onto the UK version of their website and order in Sterling to get even more savings.

Bulk Powders is another similar one. Same as above.

Unflavoured is slightly cheaper, and you get used to the taste.

By the way, there are many variants of protein powder (the stuff you make the shakes with) in terms of quality and purity. I, and many others, have found that the 80% - 83% ones (the ones linked to) offer the best value:quality balance.

Cazale

I used to always buy from myprotein but the last few times I've found the protein clumped too much and one bag went off way before expiry. I've started using bulk powders and have had no problems.

rondog

Same.After a few mess ups with my order and the taste of the whey being foul lately for some reason ive switched to Kinetica.
I just find the taste,digestion etc far superior to MYprotein or bulk powders.

obi604

obi604 wrote: »

What do ye make of this



https://www.perfectbody.ie/biotech-usa-100-pure-whey-2270-g-7035

Got this today and tried it out.

The powder seems very fine as opposed to the last one I used from ROS (which was a lot more clumpy)

How is the consistency of dry whey supposed to be? Fine powder or kinda clumpy?

obi604

Bump