6n 2019 Ireland v England Build Up Thread

Clegg

I was rather hoping we'd see a Te'o/Tuilagi midfield. Heavy on the bosh but not creative in the slightest. I'll be worried if they decide to pick Ford at 10 and move Farrell to inside centre.

aloooof

Any guesses at an England 15? Anyone know if Elliot Daly is likely to start? Always thought he was a class player, think he'll be a very good signing for Saracens.

ClanofLams

Unfortunate that Teo is out, he's a liability at international level.

Clegg

aloooof wrote: »

Any guesses at an England 15? Anyone know if Elliot Daly is likely to start? Always thought he was a class player, think he'll be a very good signing for Saracens.

Would be great for us if he brings his Wasps form. He's been playing like a drain all season.

aloooof

aloooof wrote: »

Any guesses at an England 15? Anyone know if Elliot Daly is likely to start? Always thought he was a class player, think he'll be a very good signing for Saracens.

England have retained 25 players. The ten players to drop out are: Dan Cole, Ben Earl, Ben Moon, Brad Shields, Jack Singleton, Joe Cokanasiga, Ollie Devoto, Jonathan Joseph, Ben T’eo and Ollie Thorley.

Wouldn't be too hard to figure out the English 23

Forwards
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
Jamie George (Saracens)
Nathan Hughes (Wasps)
Maro Itoje (Saracens)
George Kruis (Saracens)
Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
Billy Vunipola (Saracens)
Mako Vunipola (Saracens)
Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)
Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)

Backs
Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks)
Mike Brown (Harlequins)
Elliot Daly (Wasps)
Owen Farrell (Saracens) captain
George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)
Dan Robson (Wasps)
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

Stab

1 Luke Cowan-Dickie
2 Jamie George
3 Mako Vunipola
4 Courtney Lawes
5 Maro Itoje
6 Mark Wilson
7 Harry Williams
8 Billy Vunipola

9 Ben Youngs
10 Owen Farrell
11 Chris Ashton
12 Manu Tuilagi
13 Henry Slade
14 Jonny May
15 Elliot Daly

Lancey Howard

Hope you are right. Your front row reads: hooker, hooker, loosehead

Henry Ford III

There's another mistake in that team too. Back row.

Not gonna lie, I don't know the English pack very well

sydthebeat

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not gonna lie, I don't know the English pack very well

No bother pj.... It's doesn't matter who they select... We're gonna smash the sassanach ba$tards !!!!

troyzer

Vunipola.
George.
Sinckler.
Itoje.
Launchbury.
Lawes.
Curry.
Vunipola.

Youngs.
Ford.
May.
Farrell.
Tuilagi.
Daly.
Brown.

A couple here I'm not sure about. Throwing Curry in at the deep end for one. Robson is also clearly the in form scrumhalf. With Te'o out I think Farrell has to start in the centre. Lawes moves to blindside with Shields out. Cokanasiga out means you want Daly back on the wing, in his best position. So Brown starts.

Former Former

Right, I'm going to call it.

I don't see any combination of 15 English players there that can beat us if we're anywhere close to our best.

Barring any major unexpected events, Ireland by 10.

Some Yoke

"All the good roses were eaten at Christmas time, time to dispose of the rest" Peter O Mahony Saturday 2nd February 2019

Squidgy Black

Former Former wrote: »

Right, I'm going to call it.

I don't see any combination of 15 English players there that can beat us if we're anywhere close to our best.

Barring any major unexpected events, Ireland by 10.

I think it's been a bit of a weird year or so for English rugby in general.

Their star names haven't really been playing to the standards that they previously were, and they've all been ravaged by injuries at some stage.

Perifect

I'm worried about complacency!

Nemesis

I'm worried by Jack Nowell.

Jump_In_Jack

Guess,

Forwards
Starting 1-8
Mako Vunipola (Saracens)
Jamie George (Saracens)
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
Maro Itoje (Saracens)
Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
Billy Vunipola (Saracens)

Subs 16-20
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)
Nathan Hughes (Wasps)

Reserve:
George Kruis (Saracens)

Backs
Starting 9-15
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)
Owen Farrell (Saracens) captain
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)
Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks)

Subs 21-23
Dan Robson (Wasps)
George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
Elliot Daly (Wasps)

Reserve:
Mike Brown (Harlequins)

Former Former

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/henshaw-set-to-start-at-fullback-against-england-1.3775279

Now, this is only Gavin Cummiskey but still, jaysus...

irishbucsfan

The return of the Schmidt curve ball?

troyzer

The Schmidt curve ball for me would have been Ruddock wearing the 19 jersey.

Neil3030

It's England, so I'm not too worried.

We could play a retired tight-head at fullback, they'd still just keep giving the ball to Billy.

GDK_11

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Guess,

Forwards
Starting 1-8
Mako Vunipola (Saracens)
Jamie George (Saracens)
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
Maro Itoje (Saracens)
Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons)
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
Billy Vunipola (Saracens)

Subs 16-20
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)
Nathan Hughes (Wasps)

Reserve:
George Kruis (Saracens)

Backs
Starting 9-15
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)
Owen Farrell (Saracens) captain
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)
Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks)

Subs 21-23
Dan Robson (Wasps)
George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
Elliot Daly (Wasps)

Reserve:
Mike Brown (Harlequins)

I hope that this is our team (England) for the game with the exception of Daly at FB and maybe Nowell on the wing instead of Ashton. Curry is a very handy player, different to Underhill but will be interesting to see how he goes against a world class back row.

I just pray to he doesn’t switch Farrell to 12 and bring Ford in at 10, I don’t see that being enough and Slade is a far superior overall player.

Jump_In_Jack

GDK_11 wrote: »

I hope that this is our team (England) for the game with the exception of Daly at FB and maybe Nowell on the wing instead of Ashton. Curry is a very handy player, different to Underhill but will be interesting to see how he goes against a world class back row.

I just pray to he doesn’t switch Farrell to 12 and bring Ford in at 10, I don’t see that being enough and Slade is a far superior overall player.

Yeah, fullback is a tight call, Browne, Daly and Ashton all viable options there.

Looking at that selection I think they (England) have a huge opportunity to beat Ireland.
The pack looks very strong, the half-backs are class, and there's a lot of speed in May, Ashton and Nowell is a great finisher.
Slade and Tuilagi are a bit of a question mark at the minute, but sometimes coming into matches with a bit of an unknown quantity can be an advantage, Ireland won't underestimate them but there may be a few surprises in the English playbook.

Two sides having won the 6 nations between them over the past 5 years, coming into the World Cup, both playng well against New Zealand in Autumn, some payback for last 6nations in the minds of the English players, Ireland at the peak of their rankings in history so England would love to take them down. This has the potential to be a real cracker, probably the best match-up for an opening match of the championship in years.

BoardAtWork

Former Former wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/henshaw-set-to-start-at-fullback-against-england-1.3775279

Now, this is only Gavin Cummiskey but still, jaysus...

Not going to give him the clicks. He actually has his ear to the ground regarding some Leinster goings-on, but he's the biggest cheerleader in the country. He's not far from making the likes of Conor George look even and balanced.

Former Former

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The return of the Schmidt curve ball?

Or some pretty rubbish mind games with Eddie Jones.

I dunno, it would be the biggest surprise he's ever sprung. Even if it's only while Kearney gets back up to speed, it's basically telling a couple of other actual full backs that they're rubbish.

aloooof

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

This has the potential to be a real cracker, probably the best match-up for an opening match of the championship in years.

My worry with it is that we haven't started very well in the first round in the last 2 seasons. Still, having home advantage should be enough to see us getting it done.

GDK_11

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Yeah, fullback is a tight call, Browne, Daly and Ashton all viable options there.

Looking at that selection I think they (England) have a huge opportunity to beat Ireland.
The pack looks very strong, the half-backs are class, and there's a lot of speed in May, Ashton and Nowell is a great finisher.
Slade and Tuilagi are a bit of a question mark at the minute, but sometimes coming into matches with a bit of an unknown quantity can be an advantage, Ireland won't underestimate them but there may be a few surprises in the English playbook.

Two sides having won the 6 nations between them over the past 5 years, coming into the World Cup, both playng well against New Zealand in Autumn, some payback for last 6nations in the minds of the English players, Ireland at the peak of their rankings in history so England would love to take them down. This has the potential to be a real cracker, probably the best match-up for an opening match of the championship in years.

I would agree with this. Ireland are clearly the better side at the moment and are rightly favourites, 9pts does seem a bit on the high side though, in my opinion.

I’ve read a few comments that it doesn’t matter to much with regards to winning and it’s all about the WC but I just don’t see that. If Ireland win the tournament again they’re going in with huge confidence and knocking the likes of England and Wales in the process. If England and Wales have a good tournament they will be going in thinking they’re the best in this part of the world at least. That said NZ are still the team to beat for me come WC time but that’s a discussion for another day.

Talk of Henshaw at FB is interesting, if he does play and England play Daly then it’s safe to say both teams will be attacking them from the start.

We are seriously over rating England.

No leadership and lots of dross. We'll hit them hard and early and just like in South Africa they'll have no answer.

Bonus point and potential embarrassment for the visiters on the cards.

Quint2010

So looks like Kearneys been dropped. Watching his atrocity of a performance last Friday people were just saying he's minding himself for England. Sorry but this is international rugby where you need to be in some sort of form and the right frame of mind. Maybe he's still carrying something. I'd like to think so. I hope he gets back to form and plays again for us as we are no doubt weaker without him at FB.

Quint2010

Deleted User wrote: »

We are seriously over rating England.

No leadership and lots of dross. We'll hit them hard and early and just like in South Africa they'll have no answer.

Bonus point and potential embarrassment for the visiters on the cards.

You sound like an English fan....:)

troyzer

Deleted User wrote: »

We are seriously over rating England.

No leadership and lots of dross. We'll hit them hard and early and just like in South Africa they'll have no answer.

Bonus point and potential embarrassment for the visiters on the cards.

This England squad minus some of their best players were one offside away from taking down the All Blacks.

Hardly dross.

thomond2006

Henshaw at fullback allows Ireland to get their three top centres on the field I guess.

reg114

thomond2006 wrote: »

Henshaw at fullback allows Ireland to get their three top centres on the field I guess.

True, plus I wouldnt trust Larmour's defensive capabilities against England. He doubtless has dazzling feet going forward but you need an experienced reassuring presence at fullback and if Henshaw is in the team he would provide that.

troyzer

troyzer wrote: »

This England squad minus some of their best players were one offside away from taking down the All Blacks.

Hadly dross.

All Blacks were minding themselves for the main event. They were pulling a Kearney.

thomond2006

ROC in the Indo is also running with Henshaw at 15.
The team will be announced tomorrow at the famous time of IRFU Lunchtime.

stephen_n

thomond2006 wrote: »

ROC in the Indo is also running with Henshaw at 15.
The team will be announced tomorrow at the famous time of IRFU Lunchtime.

Interesting if it comes to pass, since Kearney was confirmed as fully fit yesterday and trained this week. To my mind and I could be wrong, this will be the first time Kearney has not been picked when fit and available against Tier 1 opposition?

Former Former

I still can't believe it.

If Kearney is undercooked and can't be risked, fair enough. The solution is a guy who hasn't played fullback in four years? Overlooking three actual full backs in the process?

Even if Kearney is done and put out to stud, we need to look to the World Cup but Henshaw won't be playing fb for Leinster between now and then.

And we don't use the 6N for experimenting, right?

It would shatter about 50 different things that we all believed.

It would be very interesting but I just can't see it.

Buer

I'd be fairly interested and excited to see it but I'm unsure as to how likely it is. If I was EJ, I'd be looking for Farrell/Ford to absolutely pepper the backfield with kicks. I don't care how much anyone sees themselves as a full back or has experience playing there in the past, his positional sense won't be as sharp as it once was and England can win some field position.

If it was the RWC warm ups and he got 2-3 games there along with a couple of provincial games between now and then, I would be a lot more confident about it.

awec

Normally I wouldn't believe it, but Kearney was so bad last week that it's really not that unrealistic that he gets dropped. Maybe Schmidt is sending a message.

Can't really explain him overlooking Larmour, Addison or Conway.

Buer

awec wrote: »

Normally I wouldn't believe it, but Kearney was so bad last week that it's really not that unrealistic that he gets dropped. Maybe Schmidt is sending a message.

Can't really explain him overlooking Larmour, Addison or Conway.

It's the second part that really does confuse me. In Larmour and Addison, he has guys who started at 15 in autumn and Larmour has started the last 3 European games there for Leinster. There are real options available.

It could turn out to be a masterstroke and possibly a case of Schmidt wanting to get his best players on the field but any excitement at Henshaw starting at full back would be significantly dampened by the sense of unease. Leinster and Ireland have both tried him at 13 in the past year (the other position he once played regularly) and the results were mediocre at best.

errlloyd

I believe in Henshaw at 15, I just think it sends a slightly ****ty signal to some players, when Joe is usually so good at signalling.

Jewelers

England away points v Ireland in 6N = 14, 42, 13, 13, 13, 8, 12, 9, 9.

The Rape of Lucretia

thomond2006 wrote: »

Henshaw at fullback allows Ireland to get their three top centres on the field I guess.

Which isnt quite as good as your best two centres and your best fullback on the field though.

The Rape of Lucretia

awec wrote: »

Normally I wouldn't believe it, but Kearney was so bad last week that it's really not that unrealistic that he gets dropped. Maybe Schmidt is sending a message.

Can't really explain him overlooking Larmour, Addison or Conway.

Its odd. Given our relative lack of depth is at centre rather than full back, surely giving one of that trio a big game has to be part of his plan. If Henshaw at 15 becomes plan B, or even plan A, if Bobster is in the doghouse, then we are leaving ourselves very very exposed at centre backup. I would have though both COnway and Larmour have done enough, not that there arent concerns with them, but not to be leapfrogged like that.

Wegians89

Henshaw has the natural ability to thrive at 15, he’s brilliant under a high ball. If he can re adjust to the positioning aspect, I think he’ll be a huge asset going into the World Cup. He is a better tackler, stronger runner with ball in hand and possibly has more flair than Kearney. He’s the solid dependable player who joe has all the faith in the world in just like Kearney has/had. Get him in at 15 for the whole 6 nations if it works brilliant another dimension to Ireland’s attack for the World Cup.
While it was a few years ago he has played 15 in some big games for Connacht included beating Toulouse away, the first win in thomond park, and a home win against Munster

whatawaster

Wegians89 wrote: »

If he can re adjust to the positioning aspect, I think he’ll be a huge asset gelding into the World Cup.

I can't see Robbie agreeing to that

The Lost Sheep

Jewelers wrote: »

England away points v Ireland in 6N = 14, 42, 13, 13, 13, 8, 12, 9, 9.

was posted in the thread already i think. Its basicially theyve scored 1 try in all games bar the 03 game with the world cup winning side at its best
Will be around same this weekend. ideally.

Mucky_Tackies

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Its odd. Given our relative lack of depth is at centre rather than full back,

Huh? We've centres coming out our ears.

Wegians89

whatawaster wrote: »

I can't see Robbie agreeing to that

Edited now, getting too excited haha

ClanofLams

awec wrote: »

Can't really explain him overlooking Larmour, Addison or Conway.

Larmour is still young and learning his trade, struggled against Argentina in November.

Addison playing 13 most of the season, still relatively new to set up.

Conway not a specialist full back although he can feel the hardest done by I think.

Henshaw has risks attached but so do the above.