Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

murphaph

Sam Russell wrote: »

Happens at Dublin Airport for every passenger entering the country, or even those coming from Shannon. Of course they could and would.

Hardly the same, though asking people for ID on domestic flights is idiotic and is down to the layout at DUB. It should not be like that.

lawred2

murphaph wrote: »

Hardly the same, though asking people for ID on domestic flights is idiotic and is down to the layout at DUB. It should not be like that.

ID is compulsory on all US domestic flights

What's the big deal with checking that on domestic flights?

BonnieSituation

Sam Russell wrote: »

Happens at Dublin Airport for every passenger entering the country, or even those coming from Shannon. Of course they could and would.

It's not even remotely the same thing. Nor has it the same emotive issues. And you know it.

Kermit.de.frog

DUP under pressure from Bombardier to accept Mays deal.

In Irish Times. Big employers up there.

josip

I came across this McWilliams piece yesterday.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/demographics-are-shifting-towards-a-united-ireland-we-must-have-a-plan-35865222.html
Although 2 years old, it's just as, if not more relevant than it was when first published.
Some readers feel that he oversimplifies things, but in an age when the Brexit Bus decides the fate of a nation, I think we need more simplification of economic realities so that the average voter can inform themselves.

PokeHerKing

Kermit.de.frog wrote:

In Irish Times. Big employers up there.

The DUP don't care about jobs!

ambro25

With all the talk of Brexit effects on the UK automotive industry, ways in which Brexit affects personal choices - example #259:

I'm looking at a car puchase right now in Luxembourg, a 2016 Jag assembled in the UK, on which the main dealer is offerring a 3 year manufacturer warranty (it's a dealership/demonstrator 'window queen', 4kkms on the clock).

I can live with the extra depreciation sure to follow from the following questions...but practically, quid of spare parts tariffing and accessibility, and validity and applicability of manufacturer warranty, post-Brexit?

The heart is pushing really hard on this one, but Brexit is making the head temporise and procrastinate on all 4s!

Sam Russell

PokeHerKing wrote: »

The DUP don't care about jobs!

Oh yes they do - their own jobs, and those of their friends.

ToBeFrank123

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

http://twitter.com/AilbheConneely/status/1102993625816932353

Regardless of the origin of applications, the 20% continual rise has been consistent since Brexit.

You'd wonder how many of these new passport applicants are DUP/Conservative/Leave voters. I'd say a good many. They want the best of both worlds.

prawnsambo

ambro25 wrote: »

With all the talk of Brexit effects on the UK automotive industry, ways in which Brexit affects personal choices - example #259:

I'm looking at a car puchase right now in Luxembourg, a 2016 Jag assembled in the UK, on which the main dealer is offerring a 3 year manufacturer warranty (it's a dealership/demonstrator 'window queen', 4kkms on the clock).

I can live with the extra depreciation sure to follow from the following questions...but practically, quid of spare parts tariffing and accessibility, and validity and applicability of manufacturer warranty, post-Brexit?

The heart is pushing really hard on this one, but Brexit is making the head temporise and procrastinate on all 4s!

I imagine you'd need to read the warranty document carefully. Like whether the warranty is subject to EU laws or consumer protections.

Seth Brundle

Out of curiosity, what's the story with the coast guard? Will the Irish coast guard assist in a NI or British search (and vice versa)?

Silent Running

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

You'd wonder how many of these new passport applicants are DUP/Conservative/Leave voters. I'd say a good many. They want the best of both worlds.

My son-in-law's father in the UK is a strong leaver. He would be happy enough to lose NI, Scotland and wales if it meant sunny uplands for mother England. Last time I spoke with him, last month, he was convinced that England would make a go of it alone. In the next breath he said that he would apply for an Irish passport for when he visits his apartment in Spain. He would be entitled to it as one parent was Irish born.

As an aside he said that some battery company was moving to the UK to produce batteries for electric cars. I'm fairly tuned in to that market and I've never heard of this proposed move. He said he read it in the papers over there. Could it be more lies in print? ... hmmm.

Leroy42

Whilst I completely understand these people applying for EU passports, surely they can see the hypocrisy inherent in all this. Also the fact that whilst they may well get a passport, it is unclear whether their own children would then be eligible (or grandchildren, cousins or whatever depending on the exact family). So basically they are saying I'm alright Jack, but the rest of the family can sod off!

bob mcbob

Silent Running wrote: »

My son-in-law's father in the UK is a strong leaver. He would be happy enough to lose NI, Scotland and wales if it meant sunny uplands for mother England. Last time I spoke with him, last month, he was convinced that England would make a go of it alone. In the next breath he said that he would apply for an Irish passport for when he visits his apartment in Spain. He would be entitled to it as one parent was Irish born.

As an aside he said that some battery company was moving to the UK to produce batteries for electric cars. I'm fairly tuned in to that market and I've never heard of this proposed move. He said he read it in the papers over there. Could it be more lies in print? ... hmmm.

Yes I have a friend like that. He is a strong leaver who thinks England will be great after Brexit.

His plans to take advantage of this new English golden age? He is moving to Oz when his kids have flown the nest (he also has an Aussie passport).

Re batteries it is not exactly true - the UK government are offering huge subsidies to TRY and attract a battery company to the UK.

prawnsambo

Silent Running wrote: »

As an aside he said that some battery company was moving to the UK to produce batteries for electric cars. I'm fairly tuned in to that market and I've never heard of this proposed move. He said he read it in the papers over there. Could it be more lies in print? ... hmmm.

This one is not moving to the UK as far as I can tell as it's a startup, but it was due to open early this year in Coventry. Hyperbat which is a JV between Williams Advanced Engineering and Unipart. It's due to employ 100 people, so not exactly a massive boost. However, their website is a one pager and there's no actual news of it opening production yet. The only customer according to their webpage is a limited production Aston Martin model.

Incidentally, a research group in Trinity have developed a new type of battery from an ink-based nanomaterial :eek:. It's estimated to have a longer working life and up to four times the capacity. This development could completely change where batteries are manufactured and wipe out conventional Li-Ion batteries.

ArmaniJeanss

Silent Running wrote: »

My son-in-law's father in the UK is a strong leaver. He would be happy enough to lose NI, Scotland and wales if it meant sunny uplands for mother England. Last time I spoke with him, last month, he was convinced that England would make a go of it alone. In the next breath he said that he would apply for an Irish passport for when he visits his apartment in Spain. He would be entitled to it as one parent was Irish born.

Is this not flawed?

Presumably he intends to use UK Passport when leaving and entering Gatwick, and EU passport when leaving and entering Malaga. Thus avoiding 'alien' queues at both ends.

But airlines only give you the facility to enter one passport when you type in your API details, and subsequently using a different undeclared passport at arrival passport control would surely open him up to another world of hassle.

Even if he split bookings and entered API twice he's still got the issue of trying to use two different passports for the one trip. And paying €100 passport fee for the privilege.

Maybe I'm overcomplicating it.

josip

prawnsambo wrote: »

Incidentally, a research group in Trinity have developed a new type of battery from an ink-based nanomaterial :eek:. It's estimated to have a longer working life and up to four times the capacity. This development could completely change where batteries are manufactured and wipe out conventional Li-Ion batteries.

OT, but revolutionary battery technology breakthroughs have been announced monthly for the last decade but I'm not aware of any makeing it through to commercialisation.
Battery improvements have been incremental for quite some time now.

murphaph

lawred2 wrote: »

ID is compulsory on all US domestic flights

What's the big deal with checking that on domestic flights?

They don't check you when you land on a US domestic flight!

ambro25

Silent Running wrote: »

My son-in-law's father in the UK is a strong leaver. He would be happy enough to lose NI, Scotland and wales if it meant sunny uplands for mother England. Last time I spoke with him, last month, he was convinced that England would make a go of it alone. In the next breath he said that he would apply for an Irish passport for when he visits his apartment in Spain. He would be entitled to it as one parent was Irish born.

(...)

He might get the benefit of an Irish passport for dodging extra queueing at the Spanish end and a visa/fee requirement, but he'll still have to do without an EHIC for healthcare cover.

And then, he might want to look at how Spanish legislation handles foreign (non-EU resident) ownership of local property, besides any issues of taxes liability (edit: eg extra 5% on flat income tax rate applicable to Spanish income (any rents earned from flat) of non-EU/EEA non-residents, 24% i/of 19%).

robinph

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Is this not flawed?

Presumably he intends to use UK Passport when leaving and entering Gatwick, and EU passport when leaving and entering Malaga. Thus avoiding 'alien' queues at both ends.

But airlines only give you the facility to enter one passport when you type in your API details, and subsequently using a different undeclared passport at arrival passport control would surely open him up to another world of hassle.

Even if he split bookings and entered API twice he's still got the issue of trying to use two different passports for the one trip. And paying €100 passport fee for the privilege.

Maybe I'm overcomplicating it.

Doesn't really matter what passport you use on leaving a country, they don't care as you are leaving and there is only ever one queue to leave through security. Use the EU one for the EU bound flight and the UK one for the UK bound flight.

Kermit.de.frog

Meanwhile, this what they are reading in the Telegraph this morning.:pac:


The British defeated the EU - you should be demanding surrender terms, not offering them


wow, just wow

Enzokk

It seems like there will be nothing new for Cox to report back to MPs with. So nothing will have changed and they will vote on the same deal they rejected before. Geoffrey Cox met with Barnier to get a legal position on the backstop, either a time limit or a way for the UK to exit it on their own. There is 23 days left and it seems at this rate it will be 23 days before chaos.

https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1103210217972658176

https://twitter.com/DanielBoffey/status/1103220224176934912

LuckyLloyd

Enzokk wrote: »

It seems like there will be nothing new for Cox to report back to MPs with. So nothing will have changed and they will vote on the same deal they rejected before. Geoffrey Cox met with Barnier to get a legal position on the backstop, either a time limit or a way for the UK to exit it on their own. There is 23 days left and it seems at this rate it will be 23 days before chaos.

https://twitter.com/AlbertoNardelli/status/1103210217972658176

https://twitter.com/DanielBoffey/status/1103220224176934912

Well, they're saying talks will resume and continue as late as Sunday night so there's a few days to go yet.

An Ciarraioch

Interesting - Corbyn pivoting to Norway Plus, possibly the best Ireland could hope for as an eventual solution:

http://twitter.com/GuardianHeather/status/1103283989492785156

BonnieSituation

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Meanwhile, this what they are reading in the Telegraph this morning.:pac:


The British defeated the EU - you should be demanding surrender terms, not offering them


wow, just wow

I got half way through that nonsense. My word.

Peregrinus

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I got half way through that nonsense. My word.

It's paywalled for me. Perhaps I'm fortunate.

LuckyLloyd

Peregrinus wrote: »

It's paywalled for me. Perhaps I'm fortunate.

One is put in mind of that scene in “All Quiet on the Western Front” when Sergeant Katczinsky explains how to use a spade in trench fighting. But even in this war of attrition, which we have witnessed for two years now, someone should have sat back from the trenches and planned a breakthrough, invented the tank or something. You may survive for the moment but you cannot win a war with shovels.

Certainly, May’s capitulation must be shredded. That much is obvious. But then?

Let me offer you a recollection of when I was sent with colleagues to the Supreme Soviet to regain Estonian independence. First of all, they sent people to do that job, who believed in independence. They did not send some Party apparatchiks who believed in the USSR. We Estonians were not so stupid.

Of course, it would be useful if the British could elect a parliament who actually believed in the British people - and their will.

The only characters in this tale who seem to know about negotiation are the DUP. Their basic negotiation approach has been that if Mrs May gives them what they want, they'll let her survive - a crude but effective tactic. Mrs May’s successor must understand that these are not negotiations between gentlemen of goodwill looking for mutually advantageous business.

The Soviet Constitution had something similar to Article 50. It was not really there to make it easy to leave the Union. Did you find that Brussels, as Moscow, devised all kinds of convoluted legalistic mechanisms to bog you down? We knew to resist these from the start and not to be enthusiastic accomplices in every framework and timetable they concocted.

Someone courageous with cunning and a devout belief in Brexit needs to come back to Brussels. That much should also be obvious.

Independence must be immediate and unconditional. “No deal” is not “no deal forever”. To Moscow, we said, “we are we and you are you - now let us be friends." After a no deal, Britain and Europe will be friends. Remainers' Project Fear conjures up images of reprisals against Britain. Sure, they will be a desire for this in Brussels circles but people in Europe like Britain and they like the Brexit rebellion.

No deal would be a momentary state before people negotiated all kinds of deals. You know that Mrs May does not speak at all for Britain, so why do you believe that Guy Verhofstadt speaks for Europe?

The “cliff edge” of no deal is really a gently sloping sandy beach. To calm us down, let me remind you about the last "catastrophe" we all had awaited - that of Y2K: nothing happened! Although the level of risk was there above zero: the crisis was managed by human control. But nothing happened. The sun will rise after no-deal-Brexit and the skylarks will sing as always. Goods, people, cargo will follow their paths as if nothing has happened. Simply because all the trade rules between UK and EU are still valid and function: GATT, Principles of UNIDROIT, CISG and many others.

Free trade will continue between the EU and the UK as had always been the case before the EU. The threatened new tariff regime, the rebirth of Napoleon’s Continental System, will take some time to erect - and during that time those car workers, those business leaders those concerned with military security will have ample time to curtail the fantastic ambitions and the spite of the Brussels elite - maybe as we see people contain Macron today.

The difference is though that in the moments after a no-deal Brexit, these two partners may negotiate additional deals at rapid pace to ensure the smooth operation of profitable production and trade - or even establish additional barriers or preferences if that is their will and intention.

When the British people defeated the EU in referendum, you did it for all of Europe. The deal you want is what we want. You defeated our adversaries. You should be demanding surrender terms, not offering them.

It's actually rather fabulous, I enjoyed a chuckle at numerous parts.

Peregrinus

Well, that's three minutes I won't get back.

LuckyLloyd

Peregrinus wrote: »

Well, that's three minutes I won't get back.

You mean you didn't find his experience of going to the Supreme Soviet illuminating?

The Telegraph is doubling down on pieces like this recently, trying to harden their No Deal editorial stance and assumed readership. Carney says something that can be vaguely interpreted as positive for No Deal and they're all over it, when they spend weeks vilifying him earlier in the year.

Enzokk

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well, they're saying talks will resume and continue as late as Sunday night so there's a few days to go yet.

I wonder how long he will be in Brussels for? If he is there for the rest of the week then he may just get something clarified on Sunday at the last minute, if it will be enough to get her deal through is another matter though.