Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

Capt'n Midnight

Silent Running wrote: »

Cutting edge new technologies? RFID?? Seriously?

And a working IT system to bind them all ?


Ah bless.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6784231/Passport-Office-website-crashes-warning-holidaymakers-stopped-border.html

The Passport Office website crashed yesterday after a warning that millions of holidaymakers could be barred from EU countries by a No Deal Brexit unless they beat today’s renewal deadline.

boggerman1

Shelga wrote: »

He is allowed by the BBC to rant on about how the EU is ‘trapping’ them in the backstop. IT WAS THE UK GOVERNMENT’S IDEA TO EXTEND IT TO THE WHOLE OF THE UK; THE EU JUST WANTED IT TO BE FOR NORTHERN IRELAND.

Very sorry for the caps lock, but the sheer neglect of the media and particularly the BBC is enraging. Why is no one from the government EVER challenged on this point. I am so sick of the lot of them. The disregard they have shown for Ireland is disgusting.

Totally agree.they are still allowed to go unchallenged with their bullsh!t.the BBC for me has lost all credibility it had.every question time audience is so pro brexit its blindingly obvious it's farcical.

Kermit.de.frog

Theresa May to tell EU tomorrow they need a deal as much as the UK. She will be imploring them to act.


One thing is for sure EU solidarity with Ireland is going to face the biggest test in the coming days as the British government puts renewed pressure on the EU ahead of the vote on Tuesday.

Tell me how

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Theresa May to tell EU tomorrow they need a deal as much as the UK. She will be imploring them to act.


One thing is for sure EU solidarity with Ireland is going to face the biggest test in the coming days as the British government puts renewed pressure on the EU ahead of the vote on Tuesday.

Yeah, all the signs are that the EU are going to throw ireland off the side of the ship. It's been a game they've been playing for the last 2 years, saying that they are going to support us and then doing it, it's all been to lull us in to a false sense of security so they can break our hearts and make a deal with the UK.

Shelga

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Theresa May to tell EU tomorrow they need a deal as much as the UK.

Well then she’ll be lying. They’d very much like a deal, yes. It is demonstrably false that they need one as much as the UK.

Hurrache

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What Theresa May will say tomorrow:

Reports over the weekend said that her government have moved into blame the EU mode, looks like she's leading from the front on this one.

J Mysterio

Brendan Boyle and friends still observing...

https://twitter.com/RepBrendanBoyle/status/1103723711130226688

Leroy42

So TM is saying that the EU need to change the deal.

So isn't that saying she agrees that the deal is not acceptable and so I assume she will be voting against the deal on Tuesday?

gooch2k9

May is to address her speech to the EU today. One of the few times her speeches have been targeted towards the other side in the negotiations. Probably the most significant time it shouldn't be.


Two and a half years since the referendum and she still doesn't know how to negotiate with the EU. Three weeks out and her man Cox(unelected bureaucrat) is proposing that the EU 'be reasonable'.


Also a pity the DUP won't be decimated at the next elections for going against the clear wishes of the NI population.

Christy42

J Mysterio wrote: »

Brendan Boyle and friends still observing...

https://twitter.com/RepBrendanBoyle/status/1103723711130226688

If she is not fired it will show exactly what they think Ireland. She is totally unable for the job (remembering earlier admissions of saying she hadn't realised nationalists don't vote for unionists etc.).

She essentially dismissed the murder of catholics completely which is entirely unacceptable for her position.

gooch2k9

Christy42 wrote: »

If she is not fired it will show exactly what they think Ireland. She is totally unable for the job (remembering earlier admissions of saying she hadn't realised nationalists don't vote for unionists etc.).

She essentially dismissed the murder of catholics completely which is entirely unacceptable for her position.

I'm amazed she hasn't stepped down. On reading the news I immediately assumed this was her trying to get out of the SoS position.

Peregrinus

Leroy42 wrote: »

So TM is saying that the EU need to change the deal.

So isn't that saying she agrees that the deal is not acceptable and so I assume she will be voting against the deal on Tuesday?

Well, she voted against it last time.

Akrasia

Peregrinus wrote: »

Well, she voted against it last time.

Which is funny because her response to every single question challenging her lack of preparation for No Deal is that the best way to avoid no deal is to vote for her deal.

And less funny is when she refused to rule out voting for a crash out if her deal is rejected after her short extension expires.

ancapailldorcha

Shelga wrote: »

He is allowed by the BBC to rant on about how the EU is ‘trapping’ them in the backstop. IT WAS THE UK GOVERNMENT’S IDEA TO EXTEND IT TO THE WHOLE OF THE UK; THE EU JUST WANTED IT TO BE FOR NORTHERN IRELAND.

Very sorry for the caps lock, but the sheer neglect of the media and particularly the BBC is enraging. Why is no one from the government EVER challenged on this point. I am so sick of the lot of them. The disregard they have shown for Ireland is disgusting.

Well, the BBC is now going to be reviewed by Ofcom:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/139905/bbc-news-review-terms-of-reference.pdf

VinLieger

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Well, the BBC is now going to be reviewed by Ofcom:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0027/139905/bbc-news-review-terms-of-reference.pdf

Im not holding my breath tbh

Seth Brundle

gooch2k9 wrote: »

Also a pity the DUP won't be decimated at the next elections for going against the clear wishes of the NI population.

It is only an opinion poll but here's hoping that they will be decimated!
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-times-poll-northern-ireland-voters-do-not-want-dup-tory-brexit-1.3818264

Leroy42

gooch2k9 wrote: »

May is to address her speech to the EU today. One of the few times her speeches have been targeted towards the other side in the negotiations. Probably the most significant time it shouldn't be.


Two and a half years since the referendum and she still doesn't know how to negotiate with the EU. Three weeks out and her man Cox(unelected bureaucrat) is proposing that the EU 'be reasonable'.


Also a pity the DUP won't be decimated at the next elections for going against the clear wishes of the NI population.

Is it really targeted at the EU? Sounds to me like just another one of her speeches were she tells the Tory party what it wants to hear, before going off and doing the exact opposite.

Remember, after her historic loss in January, she promised the HoC to go back to the EU to reopen the WA. Now she is left 'telling' the EU that they must come up with a solution, basically because she hasn't got any.

Taking back control by demanding that others sort out your problems!

ilovesmybrick

‘I very much want to be out of Europe’

The cognitive dissonance of some people is beyond belief.

In Kilkeel, we have one of the largest fishing fleets in all of Ireland which exports to Asia and the Emirates. Why can’t that be replicated for high-end blinds and window dressings? When we’re out of Europe, we can get the best deal possible with other countries.

We have a large fishing fleet, so why can't we have a large presence for blinds and curtains? It's not like comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing fish with fabric!

janfebmar

Christy42 wrote: »

She essentially dismissed the murder of catholics completely which is entirely unacceptable for her position.

Not really. She knows most of the hundreds of thousands of people who served in the army or police in the North acted lawfully and properly, despite much intimidation and sometimes seeing their comrades blown up etc. As the Irish Times said "The IRA killed 1,696 people, the British army 299 and the RUC 56. In fact the IRA killed more Catholics than any of the Loyalist terror groups". She did not dismiss the murder of catholics completely. In fact her government spent £200 million on the last Bloody Sunday investigation. How much was spent investigating the murder of the two police officers (one Catholic and one Protestant) who were murdered in Derry just 3 days before Bloody Sunday? Now that was pre-meditated and planned murder, but not a mention of it or hundreds of other atrocities now.

VinLieger

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

‘I very much want to be out of Europe’

The cognitive dissonance of some people is beyond belief.



We have a large fishing fleet, so why can't we have a large presence for blinds and curtains? It's not like comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing fish with fabric!

While at the same time they say things like this

Are you examining new markets/suppliers and, if so, how practical is that?

No, not really. We have great relationships with some of our suppliers in the Republic.

Also not surprising to see the usual sovereignty garbage and "they need us more than we need them" etc.....

boggerman1

Unbelievable stuff again on qt last nite.to watch rabb trying to weasel his way around his only realizing how vital dover/Calais was a site to behold.sure if they crash out so what and they need us more than them.the only impressive speaker was Margaret Beckett but to see the audience turn on her when telling a few him truths was unreal.if it wasn't so serious it would be hilarious or tragic or both

gooch2k9

Leroy42 wrote: »

Is it really targeted at the EU? Sounds to me like just another one of her speeches were she tells the Tory party what it wants to hear, before going off and doing the exact opposite.

Remember, after her historic loss in January, she promised the HoC to go back to the EU to reopen the WA. Now she is left 'telling' the EU that they must come up with a solution, basically because she hasn't got any.

Taking back control by demanding that others sort out your problems!

I genuinely do. I think it's desperation on her part now. Motivated by her trying to keep Tories together, but without any internal play possible because she's boxed herself in.

LeinsterDub

https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1103604982912303104

Peak brexit? The company hired to encourage foreign investment in the UK after Brexit is leaving for Europe

janfebmar

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Theresa May to tell EU tomorrow they need a deal as much as the UK. She will be imploring them to act.

If the EU does not agree to a deal, it will be erecting a hard border this side of the border. Nobody in these islands wants a hard border.

Tacitus Kilgore

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

‘I very much want to be out of Europe’

The cognitive dissonance of some people is beyond belief.



We have a large fishing fleet, so why can't we have a large presence for blinds and curtains? It's not like comparing apples and oranges, it's comparing fish with fabric!

I really liked this bit,

I honestly believe there will be a free trade agreement between Europe and the UK. It’s in as much Europe’s interest – even more so – to have a deal with us as it is for us to have a deal with Europe.

The delusion is strong, he mentions sovereignty & the southern government too.

I'd definitely say that fella has a pragmatic view of the world and is definitely not the kind who would be willing to cut off his nose to spite his face.

RobMc59

Could this be a sweetener to calm Spain over Gibraltar .
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1097007/spain-british-warships-contract-plymouth-portsmouth-gibraltar

Akrasia

LeinsterDub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GuitarMoog/status/1103604982912303104

Peak brexit? The company hired to encourage foreign investment in the UK after Brexit is leaving for Europe

They're probably moving to Brussels to negotiate the easiest trade deals in history

Winters

gooch2k9 wrote: »

Two and a half years since the referendum and she still doesn't know how to negotiate with the EU. Three weeks out and her man Cox(unelected bureaucrat) is proposing that the EU 'be reasonable'.

I can understand why you might make that mistake but Mr. Cox is in fact both an elected MP AND the UK's Attorney General.

He is MP for Torridge and West Devon.

Leroy42

janfebmar wrote: »

If the EU does not agree to a deal, it will be erecting a hard border this side of the border. Nobody in these islands wants a hard border.

The Eu has already agreed to a deal, it is the UK that has got back on its word.

But that happens in deals, but it is then up to the party that wants changes to put forward changes that both sides can agree on.

In this case it wants the EU to give up something but is unwilling, or unable, to offer anything in return.

The DUP are more than happy with a hard border, as are the ERG. Given the choice, both have stated over and over again that they will take a crash out (and thus a border) over the current deal.

gooch2k9

Winters wrote: »

I can understand why you might make that mistake but Mr. Cox is in fact both an elected MP AND the UK's Attorney General.

He is MP for Torridge and West Devon.

Ah my mistake! I had wondered did the AG get speaking rights in the house or is that simply down to him being an MP?