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Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)
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Everybody outside the UK knows where the blame lies. And every clear thinking human being within the UK as well. History will not be friendly with every single member of the HoC regardless of their party affiliation.
In the meantime some members of the EU are getting a bit impatient. Behind the scene there is quite a bit of mumbling. Not everybody is willing to give ones consent to every kind of extension.
https://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/under-which-conditions-would-the-eu27-agree-to-an-article-50-extension/... even if a limited Brexit delay is approved by Parliament, the proposal then needs to be agreed unanimously by all EU27 member states at the next European Council.However, there are different opinions across the EU27 about the reasons for which an extension could be desirable or allowed, as well as the possible length of any extension. Open Europe has looked at the statements and positions of all 27 member states to assess which conditions they may demand in exchange for agreeing an extension.
EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said that if the UK requests a delay the EU27 will “immediately ask ‘What for’?” The answer that the UK provides to that question is likely to determine the length of the extension. For instance, if the extension is “technical” and serves the purpose of passing the necessary domestic legislation, it is most likely to be a short extension of weeks or months.Finally, there are figures such as Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel and Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaitė who have suggested that a No Deal Brexit could be better than continued uncertainty, if there is no valid reason for a delay. However, they are unlikely to veto an extension if the consensus among other member states is for one.Despite the different views held by different member states, any extension will be a common EU decision. There are broadly three motivations on the EU27 side:
Avoiding the chaos of a No Deal exit at the end of March, while also avoiding any practical difficulties relating to the European Parliament elections. This lends itself to a short extension, which would have to have a clear purpose and would last no later than the end of June.
A few member states also hold out limited hope that the political weather in the UK might change, towards either a much softer Brexit or a second referendum. This lends itself to a longer extension, beyond the European elections.
Maximising pressure on UK MPs to vote for the deal. This lends itself to the threat of a longer extension, perhaps in the hope that MPs will reject this offer and back the deal instead.
The article is listing every single country with its motivation.
What i personally can not understand is the pure brazenness with which TM is holding 27 other sovereign states at ransom just to stumble around between the factions of her own government with nearly no chance to get out of the different quandaries. Sooner than later someone is pulling the plug.0 -
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I predict the UK applying to rejoin within 10-15 years.
At this point, the UK will consist of England and Wales, and the main stumbling blocks to their application will be Spain demanding Gibraltar back, and Greece taking delivery of the Elgin Marbles.
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The EU are right to be extremely wary of an extension. The risk of it blowing up in their face is big, probably well above 50%. They're dealing with a bunch of charlatans who cannot be trusted for a second.
Yes, that’s a real danger. Till now the EU had been quite cautious and i hope they stay that way. An extension without logical reason and something positive for both sides is just senseless. The only possible reason for the extrem variant with up to 21 month must be reserved for a second referendum maybe followed by a GE. The probability for that is quite low anyway.I know that this is only two examples but I do think that they have merit...
I've a friend from school living in the UK for about 30 years now and his understanding of the EU is based on the UK papers and quite different from reality. He does perceive them as being a bully.
I was out for a few beers in the local with a friend and his neighbour (who moved here from England about 20 years ago) recently. He claimed that he would have voted remain but...
His knowledge of the EU was that the UK pay way more in than they get back out. He mentioned the foreigners coming into England (this from a Brit now living in Ireland! ), he mentioned the bullying over the backstop, a few times he mentioned the unelected bureaucrats. It was painful listening to his ignorance and trying to be diplomatic.
I wonder does "every clear thinking" person in England fully get it? I think the place is so toxic that its bound to have clouded most peoples judgement even just a little.
Between the age of 14 to 21 i spent three wonderful holidays at UK´s southcoast. After i had finished school i was hitch hiking for a month aross the south and especially Cornwall. Very fond memories and always very friendly people. Even in the last few decades this has not changed. I have been over mostly for short work related stopovers but have still contact with one family.
Of course you are right. The media have a lot to answer. Not only for the last few years but for whole decades of building up the EU as a bogeyman. Having a look at the red tops with their hatred and blank lies is like looking at the propaganda at the end of the Weimarer Republic in Germany.
I really pity the average Joe in the UK who just wants to feed his family, have a pint in his local, have fun with his footsie club and may be drive his older BMW a little bit faster over the motorway once a week. He and his family dont have a chance. They can hardly leave their information cloud except for the yearly holidays at the Costa Sangria.
Sorry, got carried away. But as the thread was a bit loaded this evening it can only be a positive thing to remember the people influenced by all the politics. Tomorrow i will be back to facts again.
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I predict the UK applying to rejoin within 10-15 years.
At this point, the UK will consist of England and Wales, and the main stumbling blocks to their application will be Spain demanding Gibraltar back, and Greece taking delivery of the Elgin Marbles.
Any application to rejoin will have to contain a commitment to adopt the Euro (although for other countries it has not had a stated timeline)
Can't see that going down too well :pac:
I'd say they will come crawling back but it'll be 30-40 years0 -
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