Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

Professor Moriarty

Lemming wrote: »

As I alluded to earlier; with such a fine list of contenders like that, it's cold comfort that Bojo is the proverbial joker in the pack. That said, of those, only Javid and Raab might have any standing within the Tory ranks (and it's the Tory ranks, not the general public that matter here) although they too would appear to be quickly running out of capital with the general incompetence on display. Bojo & Gove went down together, and Hunt is despised with his only saving grace being that Grayling sits on the cabinet. It's a low bar ....

Yup. Of that bunch, only Javid remains relatively credible. Johnson is a buffoon, Gove is shallow and treacherous, Hunt lacks charisma and Raab looks like a schoolboy trying to get in with the cool kids.

GM228

They have secured legally binding changes to the withdrawal agreement according to Lidington.

An Ciarraioch

Listening to Lidington, there doesn't appear to be much, if any change to the Irish Protocol, merely firming up the existing language?

LeinsterDub

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sorry now, but I have little faith in UK government at the moment.

Have we been thrown under a bus to guffaws from the Brexiteers in HoC or am I just over thinking this?

Nothing has changed the WA remains unchanged. The backstop was always intended to be temporary and all that's happened is the UK saying temporary a hundred times into the mirror. At least that's my reading of it

Hurrache

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sorry now, but I have little faith in UK government at the moment.

Have we been thrown under a bus to guffaws from the Brexiteers in HoC or am I just over thinking this?

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Listening to Lidington, there doesn't appear to be much, if any change to the Irish Protocol, merely firming up the existing language?

Liddington has said they've secured legally binding changes to the WA. The wording may raise eyebrows.

bilston

So they are agreeing the wording of the WA but have agreed that the EU and the UK can interpret the wording differently?

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/mitchefi/status/1105228795613716480

CrabRevolution

judeboy101 wrote: »

Yes they do, they are masters at it. just look at the fudge over the recent Swiss treaty and the accession of Greece both of who have exemptions to the fOm despite having access to the Bloc

Switzerland has been forced to back down several times by the EU when it comes to freedom of movement, and what exemptions does Greece have from FoM?

Mr.Nice Guy

Katya Adler speaking now on BBC just now says the EU have stood their ground. These are assurances being promised, not changes to the Withdrawal Agreement.

L1011

Repeating basically the same rules but slower so they can be understood is effectively what happened with, what, four (at least) attempts to redevolve government to NI - Sunningdale, 80s Assembly, GFA and then St Andrews.

If it only takes one clarification this time, that's a significant improvement!

Beechwoodspark

Labour are not on board

She is gonna lose the vote tomorrow unless something changes overnight.

Spanish Eyes

Hurrache wrote: »

Liddington has said they've secured legally binding changes to the WA. The wording may raise eyebrows.

That is exactly what caught my eye. Whether it is or not, the optics are clear.

dresden8

Blighty victorious according to Lidington.

Wonder how much substance there is to a "deal".

Hurrache

Legal eagles think it'll be a **** show.
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1105226991735922688?s=19[/, URL]

Kermit.de.frog

Keir Stamer saying the WA remains unchanged and that making the Tusk/Juncker letter legal is worthless.

Spanish Eyes

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Nothing has changed the WA remains unchanged. The backstop was always intended to be temporary and all that's happened is the UK saying temporary a hundred times into the mirror. At least that's my reading of it

So the vote tomorrow will not pass. Nothing is ever enough for some in HoC.

FrancieBrady

Not going down well in the HOC so far.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/lionelbarber/status/1105229717337198592


Ooops

Professor Moriarty

It's a sad indictment but if the DUP are happy then we've been shafted. If they are unhappy, they've been shafted. The more things change them more they stay the same.

judeboy101

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Switzerland has been forced to back down several times by the EU when it comes to freedom of movement, and what exemptions does Greece have from FoM?

Mount athos, women banned from travelling there. its public greek land but when joining EEC allowed greece to exempt it from FOM. Swiss voted against EU treaty on FOM, now EU citizens cant automatically get jobs in Switzerland like they used to .

PropJoe10

What the hell is going on?

Imreoir2

listermint wrote: »

Bombardier compulsory redundancies in the North

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/bombardier-seeking-compulsory-redundancies-at-sites-in-north-1.3822230

This is the kind of thing that risks the peace process being derailed. If no-deal Brexit goes ahead then this is probably only the tip of the iceberg and we will have a seveer austerity imposed by a broke UK and a deep recession in the private sector seeing a great many people becoming unemployed.

Spanish Eyes

I listen to LBC a lot now. Good to get a view from across the pond.

We are in the EU so have a mutual voice (hopefully), but the view from across the Irish Sea is just so different on very many levels.

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1105231291849551873

If this is the case, then its dooms day tomorrow.

tuxy

Stream of parliament keeps locking up but last thing I head was that both the EU and UK have a legally binding commitment to do everything in their power to find a solution to prevent the backstop. Is that the legal reassurance the EU gave tonight or was that already in place?

judeboy101

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1105231291849551873

If this is the case, then its dooms day tomorrow.

Ill believe Cox before starmer, COx honestly said it was a trap last time, if he changes his view, then we've been sold a pup.

listermint

Joint press conference next few minutes.

https://ec.europa.eu/avservices/ebs/live.cfm?page=2

Spanish Eyes

The Sterling market FX will tell us all we need to know in the morning.

Imreoir2

judeboy101 wrote: »

Ill believe Cox before starmer, COx honestly said it was a trap last time, if he changes his view, then we've been sold a pup.

It's not clear as of now, this joint statement, and the change to the political declaration are weak sauce, there is nothing new there. The only thing that has any real potential to make a significant change is the unilateral declaration, and we have not seen that yet, presumably because the UK can't make their unilateral declaration untill it has been signed off by the EU.

An Ciarraioch

Katya Adler claiming no legal changes made.