Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

BobbyBobberson

COUGH DROPS INCOMING

Beechwoodspark

May is politically a dead woman walking. Finished and she knows it

gooch2k9

SimonTemplar wrote: »

May looks and sounds absolutely shattered. Don't blame her to be honest.

I was thinking that myself. Whatever about the politics of it, she has to be absolutely shattered from a day like today. I doubt I'd have the energy for this kind of craic and I'm a lot younger.

boggerman1

She's having a re run of that disastrous party conference with her coughing and spluttering.a defeated woman who knows she's toast

Dub.

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's a sad indictment but if the DUP are happy then we've been shafted. If they are unhappy, they've been shafted. The more things change them more they stay the same.

Newton Emerson predicted several weeks ago that the DUP would vote for the deal at the last moment. He said only Sammy Wilson might vote against May`s deal at the final vote.

Professor Moriarty

It seems to me that all she is saying that they will crash out if they're not happy.

VinLieger

So what does this unilateral declaration actually change?

seamus

Nothing really changing here. Maybe some gravitas to encourage some waverers, but definitely nothing for the ERG and others.

Love how Juncker doesn't mince words, saying how this is the final interpretation of interpretations and assurance about reassurances.
No 3rd chances, it's this deal or no Brexit, according to Juncker.

PropJoe10

VinLieger wrote: »

So what does this unilateral declaration actually change?

Absolutely nothing, as far as I can see. Absolute shambles once again.

An Ciarraioch

May admits that no time limits or unilateral withdrawal clause were agreed.

Hurrache

She's putting it on parliament saying she's given them what they asked for.

SimonTemplar

Hang on a minute, she said she secured legal changes. She hasn't has she? I thought she has secured legal clarifications. There is a difference.

Professor Moriarty

Dub. wrote: »

Newton Emerson predicted several weeks ago that the DUP would vote for the deal at the last moment. He said only Sammy Wilson might vote against May`s deal at the final vote.

Hmmm. Dunno about that. Would be a betrayal of their hardcore base.

FrancieBrady

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Absolutely nothing, as far as I can see. Absolute shambles once again.

You do have to ask...what was all that about.

listermint

Anglo European relations at all time low.

No one will trust the Brits again.

And talking down other countries systems openly as you sit beside them. Well .... Genius.

Atlantic Dawn

I always thought the EU would cave in to their demands, doesn't seem to be happening.

Topgear on Dave

Juncker very straight shooting here!

Frank Bullitt

So, the vote looks certain to fail (again) tomorrow.

We are left with No Deal or No Brexit, am I reading that right?

gooch2k9

Juncker is having no nonsense here.

Beechwoodspark

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Absolutely nothing, as far as I can see. Absolute shambles once again.

A shambles for who exactly?

The Uk concluded their negotiations with the Eu back a few months ago. Eu have told them a thousand times the deal is now done and take it or leave it folks

Hurrache

seamus wrote: »

Love how Juncker doesn't mince words, saying how this is the final interpretation of interpretations and assurance about reassurances.
No 3rd chances, it's this deal or no Brexit, according to Juncker.

Reiterates it again in case anyone was unsure.

Kermit.de.frog

As far as i'm aware legal additions to the WA are less binding than the actual agreement...but i'm not a solicitor.

PropJoe10

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Hang on a minute, she said she secured legal changes. She hasn't has she? I thought she has secured legal clarifications. There is a difference.

It seems to me that they've agreed a "legally binding" mechanism where either party can exit the backstop if negotiations don't proceed over the next couple of years in "good faith". Which is as wishy-washy as it's ever been. I don't know how the HoC are going to go for that. And May seems to know it, judging by her body language.

Imreoir2

The conditionality on "disapplying" the backstop in the UK unilateral declaration is absurd, it requires talks to have fully broken down with no prospect of agreement being reached. That is never going to happen. It's a fig leaf and a transparent one at that!

Spanish Eyes

I think it's over now. No Deal and high costs for everyone in the EU particularly ourselves. Yes UK will suffer too, but that was their choice, we didn't have a choice.

No matter what way you look at it, the UK have truly shafted us and other countries in EU too.

But who knows what will happen?

TM is rattled and fed up and angry.

She should just resign if tomorrow's vote fails, but hopefully she might revoke just before leaving No. 10 also.

If I remember correctly Invoking A50 required a vote in Parliament, but revoking it doesn't as it doesn't change the status quo.

That would be the biggest revenge IMV. Go Theresa, let the nutjobs take over and head up to the Alps for a long walk.

liamtech

This sounds like nonsense -

We have an insurance policy - which we dont want to use

And if we have to use it, we will have an alternative at that point - and if the EU insist the UK use it we can get arbitration to stop it.. and we can leave

Iv studied political science, and i think donald trump could explain this better

PropJoe10

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

A shambles for who exactly?

The Uk concluded their negotiations with the Eu back a few months ago. Eu have told them a thousand times the deal is now done and take it or leave it folks

A shambles for May. Juncker is totally in control here, in my view.

Professor Moriarty

Gintonious wrote: »

So, the vote looks certain to fail (again) tomorrow.

We are left with No Deal or No Brexit, am I reading that right?

Or there's a can that needs kicking.

VinLieger

listermint wrote: »

Anglo European relations at all time low.

No one will trust the Brits again.

And talking down other countries systems openly as you sit beside them. Well .... Genius.

The disconnect between publicly and openly trying to screw your best and closest friends while at the same time expecting other countries to ignore that and give prefetential trade deals is staggering

Atlantic Dawn

Paddypower has vote passing tomorrow at 3/1, vote not passing at 1/5 :pac: