Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

ancapailldorcha

Mod: No more one-liners please. Posts deleted.

briany

Inquitus wrote: »

Got the popcorn, got the debate and vote on the TV, 150 vote loss predicted, then the HoC in utter chaos, what's not to like? Though hopefully this turns things in a better way for us, I am worried about a GE, Boris (or some other even worse Brexit loony) and a big Tory majority.

How would a hard Brexiteer get to become the leader of the Tories and PM? Are there not enough MPs in the Tories who think Brexit is a bad idea to block his ascent? (e.g. Dominic Grieve).

Atlantic Dawn

I think this is going to be 100 plus of a margin for No.

Kiith

Some ERG changed their minds during the vote, but still going to be over 100 against.

Kiith

242-391 to No.

Professor Moriarty

Wow. 149.

igCorcaigh

Who is this guy on sky news right now?

Infini

Round 1: May defeated 242-391. 149 Margin.

Now we move onto the next round of this endgame: Decide if they reject no deal without avoiding it (completely ignoring its the default unless A50 is withdrawn and this farce is ended). They still talking about an extention completely ignoring the small fact the EU has to agree (and doesnt have to if they dont give a damn good reason).

Hearing Teresa now she sounds pretty hoarse! O.o

lawred2

No surprise there

I think TM should walk now really

For her own health if anything

Akrasia

briany wrote: »

How would a hard Brexiteer get to become the leader of the Tories and PM? Are there not enough MPs in the Tories who think Brexit is a bad idea to block his ascent? (e.g. Dominic Grieve).

If theres a leadership contest the parliamentary party chooses 2 candidates and the Tory party membership vote for the leader.

Could easily be a hard brexiteer as one of tge candidates

igCorcaigh

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Who is this guy on sky news right now?

Talking about monthy python

gooch2k9

lawred2 wrote: »

No surprise there

I think TM should walk now really

For her own health if anything

For her own sanity. Let one of the Brexiteers take this on. They're great at slinging from the sidelines. Make them own it.

Harry Palmr

391
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149

Well that's big enough to sink May's battleship, what does she do now?

A free vote on a fundamental plank of government policy. Unprecedented

Enzokk

May saying she will let them vote on no-deal tomorrow. Free vote for the Tories on that tomorrow. She sounds terrible though, what a time to lose your voice.

Shelga

Watching May is painful. She has been one of the worst PMs in history, but human empathy means I can’t help but feel sorry for her. Pathetic and wretched.

Professor Moriarty

gooch2k9 wrote: »

For her own sanity. Let one of the Brexiteers take this on. They're great at slinging from the sidelines. Make them own it.

It almost certainly would be a Brexiteer.

briany

That's interesting - if the HoC votes against No Deal, it will be the government's policy to avoid one. What happens, then, if the Extension does not go through? If it's the government's policy to avoid No Deal, then will they, or can they, put forward a motion to revoke A50 altogether?

suicide_circus

Shelga wrote: »

Watching May is painful. She has been one of the worst PMs in history, but human empathy means I can’t help but feel sorry for her. Pathetic and wretched.

her task is impossible

igCorcaigh

Shelga wrote: »

Watching May is painful. She has been one of the worst PMs in history, but human empathy means I can’t help but feel sorry for her. Pathetic and wretched.

I actually have a lot of sympathy for her.
But she is the right person in the wrong time.

rob316

May should of just resigned there and then, let someone else manage this mess.

This is just laughable.

Akrasia

Mays wording for tomorrows vote and free vote is loading the dice in favour of a no deal brexit.

If the house vote to leave with no deal it's binding, but if tgey vote to reject No Deal (again) its not binding, and explicitly says so

serfboard

lawred2 wrote: »

I think TM should walk now really

For her own health if anything

This is the only job Theresa May has ever wanted. If you were in the only job you ever wanted would you give it up easily or voluntarily?

And remember, she can't be pushed for about another nine months. So they're stuck with her unless she resigns - and the lady is not for resigning.

lawred2

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I actually have a lot of sympathy for her.
But she is the right person in the wrong time.

I have sympathy alright but I wouldn't go so far as to ever say she is the right person for any time

Harry Palmr

She should resign for her own health but anyone else is even less likely to pull the fat from the fire so riven is her party.

lawred2

serfboard wrote: »

This is the only job Theresa May has ever wanted. If you were in the only job you ever wanted would you give it up easily or voluntarily?

And remember, she can't be pushed for about another nine months. So they're stuck with her unless she resigns - and the lady is not for resigning.

THIS particular version of PM is not the job that anyone wanted

Enzokk

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I actually have a lot of sympathy for her.
But she is the right person in the wrong time.

Whenever I feel sad for her I think of all the Windrush generation whole lives she has ruined and it disappears very quickly.

In any case, the SNP is calling for a second referendum and Labour a General Election.

Thargor

I honestly thought she was about to resign or withdraw A50 there.

bear1

Is a hard border looking more likely?

Laois_Man

There was no question May was going to lose this vote

There is also no question that tomorrow's vote will see the HoC reject the "No deal" option

The really interesting part comes after that and their stated reasons for requesting an Art. 50 extension....assuming they'll bother give some reasons.....which with the current British parliament might be a wild assumption!

devnull

What do we think the numbers will be like for the options that May is putting on the table?

Surely they don't have enough to actively vote for no deal, even though it might happen by default?