Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

devnull

lawred2 wrote: »

THIS particular version of PM is not the job that anyone wanted

If she didn't call the election she'd not have the issue of the DUP, which is her fault.

Forcing herself into this position by poor choisces earlier are her fault.

Akrasia

I dont feel sorry for her at all. She explicitly refused to say she will vote against no deal tomorrow. She's playing chicken with the future of the UK and the easiest thing in the world would be for her to announce that she will support a 2nd referendum between her deal and remain. That would take no deal off the table and end all this brinkmanship

Seth Brundle

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I actually have a lot of sympathy for her.
But she is the right person in the wrong time.

She is terrible.
She is putting party before the people yet has no control over that party. She showed absolute naivety by calling a GE and by triggering Art 50 before it was decided what she wanted.
She is only still in the role because the leader of the opposition is worse than her.
I've absolutely no sympathy for her.

PeadarCo

gooch2k9 wrote:

For her own sanity. Let one of the Brexiteers take this on. They're great at slinging from the sidelines. Make them own it.

To be fair for all the mistakes she has made I hope she goes for her own sake. She has no authority and is pm only in name. It's painful watching her. She has been completely out of her depth. However the more it goes on I think she is typical of the current set of politicians the UK have and how little they understand the EU. This has turned into a monty python sketch long ago. Barnier's recent tweet being only another example of how out of touch most of them are. A question for people who know UK politics better was there anyone who who could have done a better job? or is May that bad.

Calltocall

Both leaders are just awful, out of their depth, never can I remember such a time when both leaders were so poor, Corbyn has for so long failed to capitalise on a weakened conservative party and is just not fitting as a leader

Professor Moriarty

Akrasia wrote: »

I dont feel sorry for her at all. She explicitly refused to say she will vote against no deal tomorrow. She's playing chicken with the future of the UK and the easiest thing in the world would be for her to announce that she will support a 2nd referendum between her deal and remain. That would take no deal off the table and end all this brinkmanship

May pandered to the Eurosceptics with her red lines. She's been hoisted with her own petard.

Akrasia

Barnier has replied

https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1105552915480150016

trashcan

Corbyn is right I think. They need an election. His proposal of a kind of semi-detached Brexit (staying in customs union and single market) would be the best option(other than staying in of course).

ancapailldorcha

Jean-Claude Juncker said there wouldn't be a third run of the deal in a tweet shared earlier in this thread. It must surely be dead now. She can't possibly request an extension without any sort of justification for it.

Professor Moriarty

Graham Brady proud to say he will be voting for No Deal. Probably be re-elected with a larger majority next time out.

Junkyard Tom

Labour/Corbyn's dithering serves a purpose. If Britain crashes out the CONs will take the blame leaving Labour to promise a new Britain in the wake of Brexit allowing it to reorganise the British economy.

Hurrache

gooch2k9 wrote: »

Could you imagine Labour with Starmer in charge? He would have demolished May week in week out at PMQs.

Late to the game on this but I was impressed by him alright.

cryptocurrency

Gintonious wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1105552915480150016

That guy has done nothing to help the situation in the UK. No deal is the best solution all around.

jon1981

Nobody else wants her job.

cryptocurrency

Hurrache wrote: »

Late to the game on this but I was impressed by him alright.

People are living a fantasy to think labour have any hope. Election now will see a huge tory and brexit parties majority and with a new leader like Raab the kinda team that needs to sit and look Barnier in the eye

Frank Bullitt

SNIP.

10000maniacs

By giving her fellow Tories a free vote tomorrow, May has virtually guaranteed a no deal Brexit. Disgraceful retreating move.

CelticRambler

cryptocurrency wrote: »

That guy has done nothing to help the situation in the UK. No deal is the best solution all around.

It's not his job to "help the situation in the UK" :rolleyes:

But it is his job to look after our interests, and if that means telling it like it is so that everyone in the UK knows what's coming, then he's doing what he's paid to do.

cryptocurrency

Gintonious wrote: »

SNIP.

Long term it is also in Ireland interest for the UK to leave no deal. A neighbour like the UK trapped in the EU against its will is a bad bad bad situation.

Junkyard Tom

cryptocurrency wrote: »

That guy has done nothing to help the situation in the UK.

Au contraire. They've been very patient with T-May knowing she's trying to herd cats back home and that she's created herself a cage of red lines.

No deal is the best solution all around

For who?

listermint

cryptocurrency wrote: »

People are living a fantasy to think labour have any hope. Election now will see a huge tory and brexit parties majority and with a new leader like Raab the kinda team that needs to sit and look Barnier in the eye

Absolute fantasy land.

ancapailldorcha

Mod: Don't get personal please. A post has been snipped.

gooch2k9

I'm just wondering. The Dail sometimes works into the wee hours to get legislation sorted. Why is there no hurry on in the UK like this? Dragging these out over multiple days is simply wasting more time.

That's not even addressing the fact they aren't really working Friday.

cryptocurrency

CelticRambler wrote: »

It's not his job to "help the situation in the UK" :rolleyes:

But it is his job to look after our interests, and if that means telling it like it is so that everyone in the UK knows what's coming, then he's doing what he's paid to do.

What is coming?.. Then threats seem to flow free and fast with the EU. No nation should bow-to threats, they must be headed straight on.

Hurrache

cryptocurrency wrote: »

That guy has done nothing to help the situation in the UK. No deal is the best solution all around.

Are you going to give any facts and details this time around? Easy one for you, why is a no deal best all around?

j8wk2feszrnpao

cryptocurrency wrote: »

People are living a fantasy to think labour have any hope. Election now will see a huge tory and brexit parties majority and with a new leader like Raab the kinda team that needs to sit and look Barnier in the eye

It's a fantasy if you still think the EU will shift. How many times does the EU need to say the same thing before it sinks in.

Professor Moriarty

Hmm. Influential German MEP on EU Brexit committee saying that they won't get more than 2 months. Threatening a No Deal. Looks pretty angry.

prawnsambo

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Labour/Corbyn's dithering serves a purpose. If Britain crashes out the CONs will take the blame leaving Labour to promise a new Britain in the wake of Brexit allowing it to reorganise the British economy.

Burning it all down so that he can build his utopia on the ashes isn't exactly the caring Labour I thought it was.

cryptocurrency

listermint wrote: »

Oh I see now

You are on the wind up. Got it. Say no more.

Posted here a while. Strong anti EU feelings are met with some sort of disbelief here. I see the short term pain of brexit as a massive long term gain for mankind.