Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

Anteayer

There's been a bit of a problem in the UK with confusing political figures with celebrities. They've been giving disproportionately huge airtime to the likes of Bojo, because they're entertaining. So, for years you've had him and others turning up on light entertainment shows on BBC and so on.

I am just surprised at how certain TV shows, including some of the panel based comedy programmes have a tendency to not make that distinction at all and someone ends up basically being given 30 mins of invaluable profile raising while they're a highly active politician.

You'd think BBC would have some internal guidelines about not allowing that to happen, particularly where someone's a sitting MP with strong political agendas.

tuxy

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

Table a no confidence motion and put your name forward for leadership if you want to actually lead.

So any Tory back bencher can table a no confidence motion on its own government? I never knew that and figured it had to come from the opposition.

Havockk

Larbre34 wrote: »

Meanwhile Boris has gone on talk radio and commented that money spent on historical child sex abuse inquiries is "£60m spaffed up the wall!"

For those not familiar with certain vulgar colloquialisms, spaffed means to ejaculate wildly. Needless to say carnage has erupted.

Oh BoJo, you are a legend.

That's because he wants to protect long dead tory paedophiles who the party and government shielded.

SimonTemplar

In response to Ken Clarke's question, Gove has said that if the vote passes today, it will commit the government not to leave the EU on the 29th without a WA.

I wonder if the EU refuses an extension, would the gov have therefore no choice but to revoke A50?

franglan

Larbre34 wrote: »

Meanwhile Boris has gone on talk radio and commented that money spent on historical child sex abuse inquiries is "£60m spaffed up the wall!"

For those not familiar with certain vulgar colloquialisms, spaffed means to ejaculate wildly. Needless to say carnage has erupted.

Oh BoJo, you are a legend.

Where was this?

ancapailldorcha

Larbre34 wrote: »

Meanwhile Boris has gone on talk radio and commented that money spent on historical child sex abuse inquiries is "£60m spaffed up the wall!"

For those not familiar with certain vulgar colloquialisms, spaffed means to ejaculate wildly. Needless to say carnage has erupted.

Oh BoJo, you are a legend.

My problem with the end of your post is that people have been treating Johnson as this slightly brash, un-PC but ultimately sound and dependable Uncle type figure and that sort of comment is the basis for his popularity while behind the scenes he's shown himself to be a cold, calculating & ruthless figure.

barry181091

Its night and day how much better Gove is compared to TM in terms of speaking!

ancapailldorcha

franglan wrote: »

Where was this?

Here:

https://twitter.com/mikeysmith/status/1105764295483240448

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-says-spending-child-14127681

prawnsambo

franglan wrote: »

Where was this?

On Nick Ferrari's show on LBC this morning apparently.

franglan

prawnsambo wrote: »

On Nick Ferrari's show on LBC this morning apparently.

Thought as much - thanks both.

murphaph

That's a disgusting comment, with or without the sexual reference. What a despicable man he is.

Akrasia

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The WA has already been ratified by the EU27.

We're just waiting on the Brits to sort it out.

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

Never mind so

prawnsambo

Akrasia wrote: »

Oh yeah, forgot about that.

Never mind so

Well, not quite. It has to go through the EuroParl after the HoC pass it. Of course that isn't likely to happen, but that's the next step.

lawred2

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

My problem with the end of your post is that people have been treating Johnson as this slightly brash, un-PC but ultimately sound and dependable Uncle type figure and that sort of comment is the basis for his popularity while behind the scenes he's shown himself to be a cold, calculating & ruthless figure.

he's a master of distraction... now the conversation is about something else and not his role in the omnishambles that is Brexit

20silkcut

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No, because while we and the EU would prefer they remain, we are also OK with them leaving with the deal as negotiated.


Seat of the pants is where we are now - less than 3 weeks from a No Deal crashout.

But can you see a referendum without no deal on the ballot paper ???

40% of the population are in favour of no deal in the uk .

Zubeneschamali

20silkcut wrote: »

But can you see a referendum without no deal on the ballot paper ???

40% of the population are in favour of no deal in the uk .

No government would put No Deal to the people, it's like holding a referendum to burn down all the hospitals in the UK, completely irresponsible.

prawnsambo

20silkcut wrote: »

But can you see a referendum without no deal on the ballot paper ???

40% of the population are in favour of no deal in the uk .

That sounds a bit mad. Have you something to back that up with? I know the nutters in Brexit Central are pushing this, but not everyone is swallowing it.

Hermy

lawred2 wrote: »

he's a master of distraction... now the conversation is about something else and not his role in the omnishambles that is Brexit

That's it right there.

Bertie did similar with his comments re suicide and economists and also about how Johnny and Mary never had it so good.

Everybody got rightfully outraged but for all the wrong reasons.

gmisk

20silkcut wrote: »

But can you see a referendum without no deal on the ballot paper ???

40% of the population are in favour of no deal in the uk .

This poll seems to show very much that the general opinion is changing and the majority of people wouldnt want a no deal brexit.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/


If that 40% figure is true it is really worrying...are people that short sighted?

gmisk

prawnsambo wrote: »

That sounds a bit mad. Have you something to back that up with? I know the nutters in Brexit Central are pushing this, but not everyone is swallowing it.

These polls pretty much back up that 40% want a no deal brexit.


https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-mps-should-vote-for-or-against-a-no-deal-brexit/

jester77

murphaph wrote: »

That's a disgusting comment, with or without the sexual reference. What a despicable man he is.

It truly is.

I hope it doesn't get lost under all that is happening with Brexit, it really shouldn't as it's utterly disgusting.

tuxy

gmisk wrote: »

If that 40% figure is true it is really worrying...are people that short sighted?

What percentage of the population not just in the UK but in any country do you think understands how the WTO works and what it's like to trade exclusively on those terms with no free trade agreements.-

Tacitus Kilgore

gmisk wrote: »

This poll seems to show very much that the general opinion is changing and the majority of people wouldnt want a no deal brexit.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/


If that 40% figure is true it is really worrying...are people that short sighted?

gmisk wrote: »

These polls pretty much back up that 40% want a no deal brexit.


https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-mps-should-vote-for-or-against-a-no-deal-brexit/

A large part of that 40% figure includes those who are of the opinion that a no deal brexit means no brexit/ continuance of the status quo..

Akrasia

20silkcut wrote: »

But can you see a referendum without no deal on the ballot paper ???

40% of the population are in favour of no deal in the uk .

They should get it then. A straight First past the post choice between 3 options. Mays Deal, No Deal, and Remain.

Of course, Remain would absolutely destroy the other two options in such a scenario.

They could try a transferable vote style referendum but that would probably also favour remain

Having more than one brexit option would split the vote no matter how they organise it

gmisk

tuxy wrote: »

What percentage of the population not just in the UK but in any country do you think understands how the WTO works and what it's like to trade exclusively on those terms with no free trade agreements.-

I honestly have no clue do you?
But if there is a no deal crash out my understanding is the UK wont have access to trade tariff free under the WTO, which would likely be disastrous.

20silkcut

prawnsambo wrote: »

That sounds a bit mad. Have you something to back that up with? I know the nutters in Brexit Central are pushing this, but not everyone is swallowing it.

I’m wrong it’s 28 per cent backing no deal.

40% want out overall between no deal and some sort of deal.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/883660/support-for-brexit-scenarios/

Infini

gmisk wrote: »

This poll seems to show very much that the general opinion is changing and the majority of people wouldnt want a no deal brexit.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/do-you-think-the-government-should-or-should-not-rule-out-no-deal-brexit/


If that 40% figure is true it is really worrying...are people that short sighted?

It's been known through all this that a significant section of the British population are either ignorant or completely uninformed of the ACTUAL workings of the EU and such and they get their information from a undependable and distorted media. They really don't realise the advantages of EU membership, others are just plain thick though and stubborn and stuck in their ways not willing to reconsider their position. The Brexiteers have only been able to last this long because they've been able to exploit this group to maintain themselves.

As said before the country is in need of serious reforms at this point the political system simply isn't properly representing the people leading to disenfranchisement and a toxic media that isn't being called out on putting out ignorant and utterly distorted BS (the infamous dirty trio The Daily Fail, Torygraph, Shítpost Express). Then you have years of austerity and poor financial managment to boot as well aggrivating things. Even if they managed to somehow dodge a crashout at the last minute these issues ultimately they need to take a long look in the mirror and HAVE to sort out these issues as its clear the likes of the Russian Troll Federation as I'd love to call em have been exploiting their weaknesses to their advantage.

An Ciarraioch

Reports that Spelman has pulled her own amendment?

J Mysterio

Leroy42 wrote: »

AS a person pointed out (can't recall where, could have been a poster on here, a radio show or whatever) just the simple fact that so many people have had to endure the uncertainty of it all is shameful.

Not knowing if you will have access to the medications you need to live come April is massively stressful. Not knowing if you will be able to continue to live in the Costa Del Spain and continue to avail of medical treatment. Not knowing whether you business will still be able to operate.

To put so many people through such stress on the basis on a political game is unconscionable.

Sure, Toyota, Airbus etc, they will all be fine in the grand scheme of things. But Mary in Hull who needs cancer treatment, Joe and Joanne Normal who moved to Spain because of his arthritis and are in negative equity so can't afford to move back.

They are the real losers, and the forgotten people in all of this.

Nice point. It is shameful.

Westminster should have passed the WA yesterday.

Hurrache

So under the new tariff regime suggested by the UK the border will be down the Irish sea, with the checks done on the UK side, or will it?

https://twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1105857942828519424