Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

Akrasia

Cake of Tremendous Power wrote: »

Government whipping against main motion now.

So they're whipping for a No Deal then? Great.

gooch2k9

Akrasia wrote: »

May said it was a free vote for her motion today. The Spellman amendment was whipped but it passed.

"It's not her motion" is the excuse now as it is amended.

bazermc

I’m really confused now. I thought they already agreed to no deal not occurring.

Inquitus

devnull wrote: »

Next Vote (Overall Motion)
MPs are now voting on the government's motion, which has been amended to include ruling out no-deal completely.

Aye but the Government is whipping against it now as its not technically their motion.

prawnsambo

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Why did May want to reject "leaving with no deal'?

Why did they reject an extension to May 22nd?

Very confusing,

That's not it. The first was a vote on an amendment to the government no deal motion that made it more no than maybe. The second was a vote for unicorns disguised as giraffes or some such and the third is the now amended motion that the tories don't like any more because it's been amended.

Inquitus

bazermc wrote: »

I’m really confused now. I thought they already agreed to no deal not occurring.

The amendments to the main motion happen and if accepted as per tonight, it becomes the main motion and gets revoted as a conclusion to the evening.

Zonda999

Tight margin of victory for taking no deal away at 312/620 = 50.3%

Then again, for any Brexiteer to mention that would be gross hypocrisy given the margin of victory of the referendum in 2016.

CelticRambler

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Why did May want to reject "leaving with no deal'?

Who knows ...

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Why did they reject an extension to May 22nd?

It wasn't as simple as that, it was "extend to May 22, then have a pay-as-you-go Brexit" (which had already been given a categorical thumbs down by Barnier).

An awful lot of abstentions on that one, but maybe they'd all taken the opportunity to nip out for a smoke before the whip. Yesterday's promise of a free vote didn't last long. :rolleyes:

Mr.Nice Guy

Wonder if this vote tonight had happened before the second vote on the WA would it have helped swing it for May?

ERG and DUP now facing the prospect of a watered down Brexit or perhaps no Brexit at all. Sounds like May is going to make that very point and push for a third vote on her deal.

prawnsambo

gooch2k9 wrote: »

"It's not her motion" is the excuse now as it is amended.

Never has 'motion' been a more appropriate word for what's going through parliament.

Enzokk

This is confusing. Seeing that the Spellman amendment passed the main motion is now the Spellman motion and not the Government's motion. So May can whip against it. But if she whips and her cabinet ministers vote against it they will have to resign.

devnull

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Wonder if this vote tonight had happened before the second vote on the WA would it have helped swing it for May?

ERG and DUP now facing the prospect of a watered down Brexit or perhaps no Brexit at all. Sounds like May is going to make that very point and push for a third vote on her deal.

JRM says that whatever the votes say the fact is the UK is leaving on 29th March and this is in law and therefore whatever they vote for doesn't make too much difference.

Harry Palmr

Talk of ministers resigning - presumably juniors and non entities.

Shelga

I have no idea what’s going on.

CelticRambler

devnull wrote: »

JRM says that whatever the votes say the fact is the UK is leaving on 29th March and this is in law and therefore whatever they vote for doesn't make too much difference.

That's true tonight; but the HoC can vote to unmake the law that defined the date of Brexit and pick another one (after consultation with the EU).

E mac

Shelga wrote: »

I have no idea what’s going on.

Your not the only one....

PropJoe10

Shelga wrote: »

I have no idea what’s going on.

Nobody does, really. You're definitely not alone there!

Mr.Nice Guy

devnull wrote: »

JRM says that whatever the votes say the fact is the UK is leaving on 29th March and this is in law and therefore whatever they vote for doesn't make too much difference.

That suggests the extension is going to be very important. A brief one probably doesn't bother the ERG much. If it's until the end of the year or beyond that might spook them as it would surely provide enough time for a general election or a second referendum.

Enzokk

Shelga wrote: »

I have no idea what’s going on.

You are not the only one. It seems May will be once again voting against her own motion and will be voting for no-deal, seeing that she is not voting to rule it out. Shambles.

Busi_Girl08

Sounds like there are a lot of abstentions for this vote.

bilston

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Talk of ministers resigning - presumably juniors and non entities.

Could be Amber Rudd, Greg Clark and David Gaulke as they all abstained.

The British government is total disarray.

UsedToWait

Shelga wrote: »

I have no idea what’s going on.

I think it looks like a no on no no deal.

Harry Palmr

Amber Rudd abstained according to Sky News, not sure if it also means she is quitting. If she did then the government is basically wrecked.

gooch2k9

Gaukward squad abstained. Rudd, Mundell, Gauke, Clarke.

Professor Moriarty

Rudd and Gauke abstained. Cabinet in trouble.

Beechwoodspark

It’s like a black box

EU has no interest until the black box spurts out an authentic position.

Then business can be done

Hurrache

What a farce, May votes against her amendment and whips others to do so, and apparently resignations may be likely.

Akrasia

devnull wrote: »

JRM says that whatever the votes say the fact is the UK is leaving on 29th March and this is in law and therefore whatever they vote for doesn't make too much difference.

Doesn't seem to realise that the parliament can make and change the laws

devnull

Overall Motion Result
MPs are now voting on the government's motion, which has been amended to include ruling out no-deal completely.

PASSED

Yes - 321
No - 278
Majority - 43

ancapailldorcha

Ayes 321, Noes 278.