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Brexit discussion thread VII (Please read OP before posting)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    tuxy wrote: »
    And the description that says it's a parody account?
    I agree it is very easy to miss all these things if you are looking to be outraged!

    Or if you don't read the description . It's an easy mistake to make.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    It's an interesting poll all the same. Couple of questions struck me. Asked if they thought the Irish government's actions have been helpful, 48% agreed, with 11% in the don't know camp. On the other hand, asked if the DUP's tactics have been correct, only 26% agreed with 7% don't know.

    The level of details available is very interesting, for example only half of Unionists thing the DUP's tactics around Brexit are correct while almost no Nationalists or Neutrals agree with the DUP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Infini wrote: »
    Let's be fair in regards to their view's on the DUP's tactics they're not all fools and ideologues I would be suprised that many realise the DUPs anti's are totally counterproductive and that "Send em to the chippy" comment from Sammy won't go down well. Just show's how they treat their voters with utter contempt. I wouldn't be suprised if there's a few thinking about a UI and pondering how it will work out for them.
    It kind of indicates to me that the DUP could well be standing on shifting sands. And don't realise it. But it needs a viable alternative to them for the next election. Because unionists need credible representation and it's starting to look (if it ever did) as though the DUP are not providing that. Even downcow has admitted as much. Although he'll probably be along to deny that any moment now. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    The level of details available is very interesting, for example only half of Unionists thing the DUP's tactics around Brexit are correct while almost no Nationalists or Neutrals agree with the DUP.
    I'd like to meet the 3% of republicans/nationalists who agree with them. :D


    But yes, that's a bit startling alright. And 28% strongly disagree with their approach. Do the DUP take any notice of these polls?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    I'd like to meet the 3% of republicans/nationalists who agree with them. :D


    But yes, that's a bit startling alright. And 28% strongly disagree with their approach. Do the DUP take any notice of these polls?

    Very confused individuals, though there is a small segment of republicens who are very socially conservative.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    I'd like to meet the 3% of republicans/nationalists who agree with them. :D


    But yes, that's a bit startling alright. And 28% strongly disagree with their approach. Do the DUP take any notice of these polls?

    To be honest all evidence paint's them as a group of incompetents and idiots who simply do not bother to do basic research or even think ahead. They're a bunch of "rabble rabble" populists who blame everyone else for their problems but deny any of their own just like the cash for ash scandal.
    prawnsambo wrote: »
    It kind of indicates to me that the DUP could well be standing on shifting sands. And don't realise it. But it needs a viable alternative to them for the next election. Because unionists need credible representation and it's starting to look (if it ever did) as though the DUP are not providing that. Even downcow has admitted as much. Although he'll probably be along to deny that any moment now. ;)


    If there's one thing in any crisis its that any party no matter who they are always get the boot when they affect the pocket of the ordinary joe. Brexit will devalue peoples money and savings, cause food and fuel prices to rocket and create chaos that did not need to happen at all. Should that happen people will start asking questions about the people they voted for, the likes of the DUP are toxic and unfit for government I can only hope enough people up there realise this and stop voting for them and for people who actually give a damn about their communities.

    A UI is a definite possibility out of all this and truthfully it will be because of the DUP and the conservatives incompetence. I dont believe the irony will be lost on any of them up there that their handling of this whole fiasco brings it about. A UI is also something unique to NI as well as by voting for it the people up there can reverse the effects of Brexit at least for themselves and not be tied to the sinking ship that is a dysfunctional UK and their failing political system.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    The UK is not our biggest trading partner, it's not even our second biggest trading partner.

    I'm sure our round and round friend knows that is the case from previous incarnations on this forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,241 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Or if you don't read the description . It's an easy mistake to make.

    It is and that is the reason why there is so much mis-information and manipulation going on. My wife will say to me, such and such happened... I will ask are you reading that on Facebook or Twitter? People need to be very sceptical about what is on social media, mainstream media and, after last nights farce on Question Time, what was once trusted media


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,746 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Def heard a note of fear in Dodd’s comments earlier. Trying to convince himself that may world never abandon the dup for a consensus vote with Labour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    He answered directly to me that he 'hated the DUP'.

    On the subject of representation the UUP are far to quiet on this. This should be an opportunity for a UUP leader to be very prominent, but they aren't.

    It's not helped that they're being led by a guy with all the charisma of woodchip wallpaper.

    They need Nesbitt back. He should never have resigned. The hay they could be making.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    It's not helped that they're being led by a guy with all the charisma of woodchip wallpaper.

    They need Nesbitt back. He should never have resigned. The hay they could be making.
    It's like Westminster in microcosm. No opposition anywhere to be found and the lunatics are running around with pencils up their noses gibbering about fantasies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,805 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    "I AM THE EU" says Varadkar according to a certain British tabloid

    He didn't actually say that today, did he!?

    Ah no...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,138 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Def heard a note of fear in Dodd’s comments earlier. Trying to convince himself that may world never abandon the dup for a consensus vote with Labour

    If the DUP didn't consider that May might actually go cross-party, then their blinkers are even bigger than I thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,438 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    It's like Westminster in microcosm. No opposition anywhere to be found and the lunatics are running around with pencils up their noses gibbering about fantasies.

    By bribing the DUP the Tories effectively created those who wish to remain as the 'opposition' and they are standing full square between the entire UK and a deal and may yet force a revocation of the whole idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Def heard a note of fear in Dodd’s comments earlier. Trying to convince himself that may world never abandon the dup for a consensus vote with Labour

    Any sign of a video? Would love to see that. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,422 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    "I AM THE EU" says Varadkar according to a certain British tabloid

    He didn't actually say that today, did he!?

    Ah no...

    Fairly sure it would have been "we are the EU" or something like that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    briany wrote: »
    If the DUP didn't consider that May might actually go cross-party, then their blinkers are even bigger than I thought.
    It's like a bizarre Mexican standoff. The DUP have a gun pointed at May's head, the Conservatives have a gun pointed at their own heads and May has a sleeping Jeremy Corbyn's gun pointed at the DUP's head.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,041 ✭✭✭Christy42


    "I AM THE EU" says Varadkar according to a certain British tabloid

    He didn't actually say that today, did he!?

    Ah no...
    I am going to hazard a guess that he has not gone full Emporer Palpatine.

    Plus if you doubt all tabloid stories you will be right more often than not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,805 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I am going to hazard a guess that he has not gone full Emporer Palpatine.

    Plus if you doubt all tabloid stories you will be right more often than not.

    He actually did say it :pac:

    https://twitter.com/Stella_Vaskoudi/status/1093944237735989248

    Distorted of course, still a strange line though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,438 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    The same thing has been said over and over here. 'I' - 'we'- are the EU.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Is there anything surprising there? We've been shouting "We are the EU" in here for nigh on 3 years too!

    What question was he asked does anyone know?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,375 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    He actually did say it :pac:

    https://twitter.com/Stella_Vaskoudi/status/1093944237735989248

    Distorted of course, still a strange line though
    Oh dear. What will Leo do when it's all over and he's out of the limelight. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    As Varadkar is the new EU, surely now he 'expense' a new €100bn oversea floating/land bridge to France, would be handy for a jaunt down the cost d'azur.
    France can chip in 80% for it, Germany the other 20% in exchange for a free flowing tap of Guinness at point of entry for all EU visitors to fill their glasses.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭alloywheel


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    The UK is not our biggest trading partner, it's not even our second biggest trading partner.

    You are wrong again, not surprising considering the amount of anti-UK propoganda we are subject to in Ireland.

    The UK is our biggest import partner.
    1 UK 18,868 million 24
    2 USA 16,368 million 21
    3 France 10,500 million 13
    4 Germany 6,890 million 9
    5 China 4,424


    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-ti/irelandstradeingoods2017/toptradingpartners2017/

    In terms of exports the UK is our second biggest.

    Below is a list showcasing 15 of Ireland’s top trading partners in terms of Irish export sales. That is, countries that imported the most Irish shipments by dollar value during 2017. Also shown is each import country’s percentage of total Irish exports.

    United States: US$36.1 billion (26.8% of total Irish exports)
    United Kingdom: $18.3 billion (13.5%)
    Belgium: $15 billion (11.1%)
    Germany: $10.8 billion (8%)
    Switzerland: $7 billion (5.2%)
    Netherlands: $6.7 billion (4.9%)
    France: $5.9 billion (4.3%)
    China: $4.8 billion (3.6%)


    http://www.worldstopexports.com/irelands-top-import-partners/


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,805 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    alloywheel wrote: »
    You are wrong again, not surprising considering the amount of anti-UK propoganda we are subject to in Ireland.

    The UK is our biggest import partner.
    1 UK 18,868 million 24
    2 USA 16,368 million 21
    3 France 10,500 million 13
    4 Germany 6,890 million 9
    5 China 4,424


    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-ti/irelandstradeingoods2017/toptradingpartners2017/

    In terms of exports the UK is our second biggest.

    Below is a list showcasing 15 of Ireland’s top trading partners in terms of Irish export sales. That is, countries that imported the most Irish shipments by dollar value during 2017. Also shown is each import country’s percentage of total Irish exports.

    United States: US$36.1 billion (26.8% of total Irish exports)
    United Kingdom: $18.3 billion (13.5%)
    Belgium: $15 billion (11.1%)
    Germany: $10.8 billion (8%)
    Switzerland: $7 billion (5.2%)
    Netherlands: $6.7 billion (4.9%)
    France: $5.9 billion (4.3%)
    China: $4.8 billion (3.6%)


    http://www.worldstopexports.com/irelands-top-import-partners/

    Actually if you take the EU as a whole because it's a single trading bloc, that is 2nd largest trading partner for Ireland behind the United States. UK is 3rd.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭alloywheel


    Actually if you take the EU as a whole because it's a single trading bloc, that is 2nd largest trading partner for Ireland behind the United States. UK is 3rd.

    The UK is still part of the EU and the UK is the jurisdiction / country from whom we import the most. Fact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,049 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    alloywheel wrote: »
    The UK is still part of the EU and the UK is the jurisdiction / country from whom we import the most. Fact.

    Your doing it again.

    Our trade with the UK is down double percentage points

    This stuff is incredibly embarrassing. You realise these posts stay here, right ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,805 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    alloywheel wrote: »
    The UK is still part of the EU and the UK is the jurisdiction / country from whom we import the most. Fact.

    And??? That undermines your point because it means the UK has a massive trade surplus with Ireland.

    Thus the country first effected by disruption is in fact the UK, not Ireland.


    EDIT - the trade surplus is £12.2bn!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭alloywheel


    listermint wrote: »
    Your doing it again.

    Our trade with the UK is down double percentage points

    This stuff is incredibly embarrassing. You realise these posts stay here, right ?

    I showed you the link from our own cso, and I provided you with the figures. It may be down but it is still the country from whom we import the most. We also get the most tourists from the UK, by far.

    In Overseas Visitors to the Republic of Ireland
    Rank Country Percentage
    1 United Kingdom 41.6%
    2 United States & Canada 17.5%
    3 Germany 6.0%
    4 France 5.2%

    Now that Leo has insulted them so much, I do not think we will get as many UK visitors this year. Maybe they will come from Luxemburg instead?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    I see it's that time of night again when common sense goes out the window for a few hours.

    I hope someone is off to the pub or having an early night.


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