Ireland v England 4:45 Aviva Stadium

Gidea

Subpopulus wrote: »

Is Larmour going to be all that much better?

He'll cover the space better than Henshaw is now. It's easy pickings for England to kick to Henshaw and they end up hovering up territory.

TheRiverman

England have overpowered us.It will be hard to turn it around.

stephen_n

England deserving of their lead. Ireland slow to start again in the 6 Nations. Sexton needs to drop a bit deeper sometimes and drop the ball in behind their defence. England’s line speed has been phenomenal today and we aren’t finding answers to it.

Marengo

Pack macking no yardage.

TheCitizen

Ref gave England 3 points at the end there. Loads of the lineouts from either side were not straight throughout the game. How come all of a sudden he calls against Ireland near their try line?

sydthebeat

Seriously worried here...

England line speed is very quick as they are winning the collisions too easy and meeting us behind the gain line practically every time.

Daly is poor at 15 but we are not threatening him at all.... Farrell is bombing onto Earls.... And running henshaw all over the pitch.

Sexton has been poor

lawred2

Marengo wrote: »

Stockdale's mistake happens. As much due to Nowles pressure and bobbling ball. Just get over it.

Was that snarkyness for me?

Because that wasn't my point at all

All_in_Flynn

Henshaw struggling with his positioning. Murray still not looking back to his best. Earls also struggling.

Decision making has been poor on the field. Think we willl see a different Ireland team second half. This England team will leak penalties if we can start to gain parity in the contest area.

England playing smart though.

vapor trails

Stander left South Africa because he was told he's not big enough to be an 8. Kind of looking like that today. Marked man and targeted today and at this level head down with zero sophistry is not going to cut it.

Marengo

dublinman1990 wrote: »

So no try. But England still allowed go for 3 points?

What a pain in the arsé.

The rules of advantage. Are you new to the game?

Donnielighto

English are packing the midfield and rushing. Wingers are hanging back for kicks and advancing once pass from oh is confirmed. We need to start using inside strike runners off sextons inside shoulder hitting between the ruck and the midfield group. We have players to punch holes there and that should slow their line or allow us to gain cheaper yardage.

Marengo

Elliott Daly getting the run of the park. Great game from him.

Billy V got a full head of steam and it took Stander and O'Mahoney around 7 meters from point of contact to get him down. He has an incredible weight to speed ratio and is so hard to stop.

They are building scores and territory in a way that is not repeatable for 80 minutes. We'll have a good deal more patches in the second and provided we are clinical and inventive we'll put England away.

They are playing well though - much more like the 2016 version of themselves and this is a big test for Ireland. When Jones has his big gainline breakers his limitations are far less exposed.

Ireland are going to strangle this game now and if they are ruthless then the bookies spread is on the cards.

PTH2009

A bit of a reality check in a way

People think we just have to show up in Japan and get to a semi final. Not on this current display

I knew England would be up for this and they are playing well. We're making stupid errors but still in the game

Let's see how good we really are

Gidea

vapor trails wrote: »

Stander left South Africa because he was told he's not big enough to be an 8. Kind of looking like that today. Marked man and targeted today and at this level head down with zero sophistry is not going to cut it.

A half of rugby where England have been on top and Standers suddenly not up to this level :rolleyes:

He's regularly steamrolled players at this level since he started playing for Ireland

Squidgy Black

I miss Rob K

munsterlegend

England really targeting earls today in every way. Stockdake unlucky with the bounce. Henshaw not a full back positioning wise.

tayto lover

Murray is kicking possession away far too often.

BullBauld

Matt Williams calling out Henshaw's position for second try.

He's struggling.

ebbsy

Couple of lads looking a bit nervous out there, England with more intensity as well.

Need to get the next score and cut out the basic errors.

walshb

PTH2009 wrote: »

A bit of a reality check in a way

People think we just have to show up in Japan and get to a semi final.

People who think this have no clue about competitive world rugby..

ebbsy

tayto lover wrote: »

Murray is kicking possession away far too often.

Good point.

leakyboots

vapor trails wrote: »

Stander left South Africa because he was told he's not big enough to be an 8. Kind of looking like that today. Marked man and targeted today and at this level head down with zero sophistry is not going to cut it.

Stander goes 80 mins. Hold your horses a bit

joseywhales

I hope sob is fit. Larmour might open them up also.

bennyl10

vapor trails wrote: »

Stander left South Africa because he was told he's not big enough to be an 8. Kind of looking like that today. Marked man and targeted today and at this level head down with zero sophistry is not going to cut it.

Honestly?
Best 8 in our country, by a distance

Look what he’s done previously.

Marengo

Rugby can be a simple game. England really, really want this. Like we wanted to beat them here 2 years ago to stop a slam.

Now we're the big shots on the receiving end from the passionate underdog.

sydthebeat

PTH2009 wrote: »

People think we just have to show up in Japan and get to a semi final.

Hyperbole, no one thinks that way..... Literally no one

However should you expect the team ranked #2 in the world to reach the semis..... Yes you should.

joseywhales

ebbsy wrote: »

Good point.

He has to, we can't get any momentum

Pepp1989

vapor trails wrote:

Stander left South Africa because he was told he's not big enough to be an 8. Kind of looking like that today. Marked man and targeted today and at this level head down with zero sophistry is not going to cut it.

Rubbish. Whole pack are losing collisions. Are they all too small so? Cj is actually one of the few who is making hard yards.

We are losing because of individual errors from our back three.

Clegg

We're just 7 points behind are we're at home. We should still feel like we can win this. England have conceded a lot of penalties and there are opportunities to gain field position. But if we keep running straight to their rush defence we'll lose. Need to be more inventive in how we play.

Also need to see Murray and Sexton control this game more. We've played far more in the backs than I thought we would. While it's good trying to develop an all court game our halfbacks are still our greatest strength. They've been outplayed by Young's and Farrell. That's not good at all.

Dubinusa

Owen Farrell has been great.
Billy V is a difference maker. Head and shoulders above the other 8's.
Hopefully, they tire and we can make some inroads.
C'mon the lads!!!!!

walshb

sydthebeat wrote: »

Hyperbole, no one thinks that way..... Literally no one

However should you expect the team ranked #2 in the world to reach the semis..... Yes you should.

No, you should not expect it...

There’s a whole lot more to it than just a current world ranking..

Faugheen

Gidea wrote: »

A half of rugby where England have been on top and Standers suddenly not up to this level :rolleyes:

He's regularly steamrolled players at this level since he started playing for Ireland

Irish rugby fans like to make judgements to either extreme based on one game.

lbc2019

tayto lover wrote: »

Murray is kicking possession away far too often.

His box kicks are one of the few things we have done well

dastardly00

I think we will be much improved in the 2nd half. Whether that will be good enough to win, I'm not sure as England are playing well

sydthebeat

joseywhales wrote: »

He has to, we can't get any momentum

Completely..... We're getting hit behind the line practically every time.

If anything, we're running too much from our own half

whatawaster

Hope I'm saying different at full time but at the moment Henshaw at 15 looks a really bad call from Joe. He has 3 other good full backs in the squad so don't understand the need to take that risk

irishbucsfan

whatawaster wrote: »

Hope I'm saying different at full time but at the moment Henshaw at 15 looks a really bad call from Joe. He has 3 other good full backs in the squad so don't understand the need to take that risk

Yeah, a disaster

munsterlegend

Marengo wrote: »

Rugby can be a simple game. England really, really want this. Like we wanted to beat them here 2 years ago to stop a slam.

Now we're the big shots on the receiving end from the passionate underdog.

I doubt if England will keep this intensity up though. If after 60 mins within 4 point I think we’ll do it.

Marengo

Furlong, Healy..all the pack have been quiet. Why pick on Stander?

Van der Flier probably most prominent. It's an 80-85 min game. 23 players. This is interesting.

tayto lover

lbc2019 wrote: »

His box kicks are one of the few things we have done well

What have they yielded?

Clegg

Larmour has been subbed on for Earls.

Marengo

At least Joe learning about 15 now. Not a WC quarter final.

Akrasia

vapor trails wrote: »

Stander left South Africa because he was told he's not big enough to be an 8. Kind of looking like that today. Marked man and targeted today and at this level head down with zero sophistry is not going to cut it.

Zero Sophistry? Hes making not bad arguments?

Stheno

Larmour on for Earls

nice_guy80

Henshaw doesn't play full back.
It's obvious.

Wheres Me Jumper?

tayto lover wrote: »

What have they yielded?

not necessarily his fault though.

joseywhales

Nice one, I think larmour will make a difference

whatawaster

Earls off. Must be an injury.

I'd go 15 Larmour, 14 Ringrose 13 Henshaw

eagle eye

That could be the worst half of rugby I've seen from this team in some time. Lots of mistakes and letting the English win at the ruck too easily.
I'd expect a much better second half, even with that it'll be hard to beat this English side who deserve a lot of credit.