ESB eCars

Kramer

slave1 wrote: »

Just a reminder, eCars pricing for High Power Chargers now gone up to 37c unit for pre-pay/PAYG and 33c for "members"

Oh dear, Mad_Lad will be even more angry being forced to pay those extortionate rates, when his REx can only take 30kW (cold ). Meanwhile, some tosser fellow EV driver is pulling 50kW from the 50kW DC charger next to him, paying less :pac:.

Kramer

The penny has dropped in Italy - the sparse few Tesla & Ionity stations are not sufficient. They're rolling out a good motorway network of 4-6 car capable, 300kW+ HPC stations.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/03/01/italys-ev-charging-infrastructure-is-about-to-get-a-high-power-boost/

I bet that'll be complete before eCars commission a second "hub" here .

the_amazing_raisin

Kramer wrote: »

The penny has dropped in Italy - the sparse few Tesla & Ionity stations are not sufficient. They're rolling out a good motorway network of 4-6 car capable, 300kW+ HPC stations.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/03/01/italys-ev-charging-infrastructure-is-about-to-get-a-high-power-boost/

I bet that'll be complete before eCars commission a second "hub" here .

I dunno, I used to work a few Italian folks who complained about how everything here works way better than back in Italy

I kinda wish someone had gotten a picture of the look of shock on my face

peposhi

It looks like there are going to be 4 DCs at J14N7. I thought they’re installing 6...

AndyBoBandy

peposhi wrote: »

It looks like there are going to be 4 DCs at J14N7. I thought they’re installing 6...

It’s supposedly 8 cars charging off 4 twin head units....

And the spacing there between the conduits would back that claim up that it’s an 8 car hub..

I’m guessing 4x CCS & 4x CHAdeMO

peposhi

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

It’s supposedly 8 cars charging off 4 twin head units....

And the spacing there between the conduits would back that claim up that it’s an 8 car hub..

I’m guessing 4x CCS & 4x CHAdeMO

It was mentioned to me 6 chargers going in now and potentially expanded to 8. I guess I had some wires mixed up.
From what I see on site it's got to be what you suggested or 3 units now (3x CHAdeMO, 3xCCS) and one ready to go but not installed.

Black_Knight

It was always going to be 4 units, "8" cars. ESB confirmed it at the ievoa meeting, though they did butcher the slides making it initially sound like much more.
No doubt socket parity, but hopefully that'll change as soon as they see the usage

Black_Knight

Only noticed there, ESB removed a load of charge point sites from their map/app last week. They look to all be ESB offices etc, so not publically available, but the total number of sites I now count is 777, which includes 114 3rd party sites like Qpark etc. Far far far from the "over 1000 units" which ESB regularly claims, or at least fudging the numbers be including private units in that "1000 units" claim.

122 FCP sites
541 SCP sites


Note: Sites can have multiple units per site, but this isn't a concept ECars are very familiar with.

AndyBoBandy

Any updates from J14??? Anyone regularly pass there, or live close by that could go and spy the site?

i'd imagine it'll still be largely only groundworks... and the charge units will be the last thing to be installed!

KCross

Black_Knight wrote: »

Only noticed there, ESB removed a load of charge point sites from their map/app last week. They look to all be ESB offices etc, so not publically available, but the total number of sites I now count is 777, which includes 114 3rd party sites like Qpark etc. Far far far from the "over 1000 units" which ESB regularly claims, or at least fudging the numbers be including private units in that "1000 units" claim.

122 FCP sites
541 SCP sites

I'd suspect the 541 is actually considered 1082 since they each have 2 sockets?

Black_Knight

KCross wrote: »

I'd suspect the 541 is actually considered 1082 since they each have 2 sockets?

ESB operates and maintains approximately 1,100 public charge points across the island of Ireland.

Could say the triple heads are 3 then. Number seems to be pulled somewhat from nowhere. They did have ~ 1000 charge point sites under their app at some point, but that's been doing down a lot of late.

slave1

Passed by the new Athlone "hub", looks ready to go?

Black_Knight

slave1 wrote: »

Passed by the new Athlone "hub", looks ready to go?

Actually that's not too bad. I thought the units would be in the parking spaces, but that setup might just allow a leaf parking normally, and a CCS car doing gymnastics (depending on charge port accessibility) to both charge. ie. if the left bay is a leaf, and I pull up in my ioniq, I could park on the hashed lines to make the cable reach. I'd be blocking pedestrians, but that's the route ECars decided to go.

AndyBoBandy

This site is live now on the app

The 150kW is active, and the 50kW unit is unavailable for CCS/CHAdeMO (but the AC is showing green)

AndyBoBandy

I can see a situation where a car is parked in the middle space, plugged into AC, and abandoned for the day/night..... halving the usable plugs on the 150kW unit... while also causing issues for a CCS car's ability to use space '3' (CCS cars with charge port on left rear side).

or can the 50kW unit only charge 1 car at a time (so if using AC, CCS/CHAdeMO are unavailable)? Otherwise why 3 spaces if 4 cars can charge simultaneously at that location???

There should be 4 spaces and they should be marked as follows;
Space 1: CCS/CHAdeMO-2
Space 2: CCS/CHAdeMO-1
Space 3: CCS/CHAdeMO/AC
Space 4: AC Only

The numbering on the CHAdeMO spaces is so that CHAdeMO-1 is the space a Leaf should take if they arrive and spaces 1 & 2 are both available, as it then keeps space 2 free for CCS cars, the majority of which have their charge port on the rear left side.

Black_Knight

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

This site is live now on the app

The 150kW is active, and the 50kW unit is unavailable for CCS/CHAdeMO (but the AC is showing green)

All green now

Black_Knight

Black_Knight wrote: »

All is not quiet.
Over the last 2 weeks about 17 sites have had their old crappy AC units replaced with the new eVolve Smart T AC units.

Glebe Street, Mohill, Leitrim
The Square, Listowel, Kerry
Irish Rail, Mary Street, Arklow, Wicklow
Off Chapel Lane, Callan, Kilkenny
Fair Green Car Park, Off Gaol Road, Kilkenny City, Kilkenny
Market Square, Longford, Longford
Parnell Square West, Outside Rotunda Hospital, Dublin 1
Finglas Road, Dublin, Dublin 11
Greenhills Road, Walkinstown, Dublin 12
Main Street, Bailieborough, Cavan
Kincora Road, Clontarf, Dublin 3
Sportsfield Road, Sneem, Kerry
Thorncastle Street, Ringsend, Dublin 4 X2
Irish Rail Dalkey DART Station, Ardeveehan Road, Dalkey, Dublin X2
Town Centre Car Park, Off Main Street, Roscommon Town, Roscommon X2
Greek Street, Dublin 1
Mark Street, Dublin 2

Only 175+ units to go to replace those unreliable ones.
No fast units though, and they've only delivered 17 of the 50 promised AC->DC upgrades so far. The initial list of AC->DC units to be converted has been completed though, hopefully IEVOA can get a fresh set of plans from ECars.

I should probably keep this more up to date.

245 of the newer 22kW AC units are now in place.
153 of the old units yet to be replaced, and 21 of those single socket AC units to be replaced too.

A rough idea of what's been upgraded since the middle of January:

AC updates to the new Evolve Smart T unit 153 remaining
Glebe Street, Mohill, Leitrim
Greenhills Road, Walkinstown, Dublin 12
Irish Rail Dalkey DART Station, Ardeveehan Road, Dalkey, Dublin
Irish Rail, Mary Street, Arklow, Wicklow
Main Street, Bailieborough, Cavan
Main Street, Stranorlar, Donegal
Hospital Car Park, Kilmacrennan Road, Letterkenny, Donegal
St. Agnes Road, Crumlin, Dublin 12
Public Car Parking, Finnegan's Way, Off Castle Street, Trim, Meath
Irish Rail, Church Street, Athenry, Galway
Earlsfort Terrace, Dublin 2
Rathfarnham Shopping Centre
Bus Station Car Park, Donore Road, Drogheda, Louth
North Wall Quay, Dublin 1
Irish Rail Blackrock DART Station, Bath Place, Blackrock, Dublin
Irish Rail, Carrickmacross Road, Dundalk, Louth
Supervalu Car Park, Off Kickham Street, Clonmel, Tipperary
Chelmsford Road, Ranelagh, Dublin 6
Public Car Park, Kennedy Street, Carlow Town, Carlow
Public Car Park, East End, Kilkee, Clare
Off Society Street, Ballinasloe, Galway
Irish Rail, Station Rd, Portlaoise, Co. Laois
Louis Convent, Castle Street, Carrickmacross, Monaghan
Cork County Hall, Carrigrohane Road, Sunday's Well, Cork City, Cork
Milk Market, Mungret Court, Limerick City, Limerick
Public Car Park, Off Wellington Place-Redmond Place, Wexford Town, Wexford
Abbey Street, Wexford, Wexford
Davitts Quay, Dungarvan, Waterford
Kenmare Road, Glengariff, Cork
95 Glanmire Road, Cork City, Cork
The Green, Sixmilebridge, Clare
Pery Street, Limerick City, Limerick

AC units upgraded to DC - 19 of the 50 delivered
Ballymahon Road, Athlone, Westmeath

New FCP
Kilmartin N6 Service Station, Dublin road, Athlone, Co.Westmeath, Ireland

slave1

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I can see a situation where a car is parked in the middle space, plugged into AC, and abandoned for the day/night..... halving the usable plugs on the 150kW unit... while also causing issues for a CCS car's ability to use space '3' (CCS cars with charge port on left rear side).

or can the 50kW unit only charge 1 car at a time (so if using AC, CCS/CHAdeMO are unavailable)? Otherwise why 3 spaces if 4 cars can charge simultaneously at that location???

There should be 4 spaces and they should be marked as follows;
Space 1: CCS/CHAdeMO-2
Space 2: CCS/CHAdeMO-1
Space 3: CCS/CHAdeMO/AC
Space 4: AC Only

The numbering on the CHAdeMO spaces is so that CHAdeMO-1 is the space a Leaf should take if they arrive and spaces 1 & 2 are both available, as it then keeps space 2 free for CCS cars, the majority of which have their charge port on the rear left side.

I agree with your line of thinking but with current length of cable and charge ports all over the place on EV's who knows what Tetris could be involved

AndyBoBandy

slave1 wrote: »

I agree with your line of thinking but with current length of cable and charge ports all over the place on EV's who knows what Tetris could be involved

Yeah there's no real perfect solution (or maybe there is), but there is a solution that's better than how ecars currently lay out their sites....

2 Leaf's could park in space 1 and 2 there at that site, and block out all CCS options... while both taking the full 45 minutes....

the_amazing_raisin

slave1 wrote: »

I agree with your line of thinking but with current length of cable and charge ports all over the place on EV's who knows what Tetris could be involved

I think this is why the fuel forecourt design wins out IMO


Car makers never agreed which side the fuel cap goes on so fuel stations have hoses on either side


EV chargers should be the same, plugs either side, CCS only 1 side and CCS/Chademo the other

McGiver

So how's the expansion going?

How many new FCPs have been installed in last 12 months?

5?

Instead of using Covid intermission to install as much as possible with basically no disruption due to low traffic etc they did feck all.

slave1

Has to be more than 5, 3 in Athlone alone

Black_Knight

McGiver wrote: »

So how's the expansion going?

How many new FCPs have been installed in last 12 months?

5?

Instead of using Covid intermission to install as much as possible with basically no disruption due to low traffic etc they did feck all.

Lots of new fcp. Kells, Westport, clifden, ballina, Dingle, kenmare, Athlone X 3, Galway city, one up in Donegal I think, dungarvan, Waterford city, clonmel. Those are just the ones I can think off the top of my head.

If you're asking about new sites, then yeah, it's much less. Pretty much just the hubs, though I can't exactly remember when they came online.

McGiver

Black_Knight wrote: »

Lots of new fcp. Kells, Westport, clifden, ballina, Dingle, kenmare, Athlone X 3, Galway city, one up in Donegal I think, dungarvan, Waterford city, clonmel. Those are just the ones I can think off the top of my head.

If you're asking about new sites, then yeah, it's much less. Pretty much just the hubs, though I can't exactly remember when they came online.

That's 12. Are these additions or replacements?
I'm asking about new chargers/connectors, not replacements.

Edit: or in other words - how many CCS connectors are there now in the ecars network vs 12 months ago.

McGiver

Black_Knight wrote: »

Actually that's not too bad. I thought the units would be in the parking spaces, but that setup might just allow a leaf parking normally, and a CCS car doing gymnastics (depending on charge port accessibility) to both charge. ie. if the left bay is a leaf, and I pull up in my ioniq, I could park on the hashed lines to make the cable reach. I'd be blocking pedestrians, but that's the route ECars decided to go.

It's balls. Regardless.

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I think this is why the fuel forecourt design wins out IMO

Exactly...

This is how you do it... Switzerland federal government is building 100 of these hubs at rest areas on the federal core motorway network. Requirements are multiple FCPs, on site battery storage and pAYG payments with all cards available in Switzerland.

peposhi

Black_Knight wrote: »

Lots of new fcp. Kells, Westport, clifden, ballina, Dingle, kenmare, Athlone X 3, Galway city, one up in Donegal I think, dungarvan, Waterford city, clonmel. Those are just the ones I can think off the top of my head.

If you're asking about new sites, then yeah, it's much less. Pretty much just the hubs, though I can't exactly remember when they came online.

Tullamore got an FCP too now

slave1

Two in Athlone are Brand New, a 150 high power and a 50 rapid, the third was a dual 22kW which was replaced with a 44 rapid

slave1

If you include the new service station then Athlone has (via various providers)

4 x 350kW
1 x 150kW
3 x 50kW
1 x 44kW
4 x 22kW

peposhi

slave1 wrote: »

If you include the new service station then Athlone has (via various providers)

4 x 350kW
1 x 150kW
3 x 50kW
1 x 44kW
4 x 22kW

Where are the 4x350kW located, slave1?

Black_Knight

McGiver wrote: »

That's 12. Are these additions or replacements?
I'm asking about new chargers/connectors, not replacements.

Edit: or in other words - how many CCS connectors are there now in the ecars network vs 12 months ago.

New, mostly replacing AC units. Those are the 12 I can think of. I'll pull some facts later on for you sire.