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19-12-2020 11:24am

I got out of work early Yesterday and wanted to stop in at Camile in Kilcullen for my Dinner and by the time I got there I had 8% charge after using the car for work, there was a Tesla and I think a Kona charging. I went in and found Camile closed and only poxy McDonalds open so I went back and sat in the car took 20 mins for 1 of the chargers to become available. Only I was yapping on the phone I would have left.

It's a real disgrace we don't have proper hubs now since 2011.

Glad I kept the Rex.......

Black_Knight · 19-12-2020 3:45pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I got out of work early Yesterday and wanted to stop in at Camile in Kilcullen for my Dinner and by the time I got there I had 8% charge after using the car for work, there was a Tesla and I think a Kona charging. I went in and found Camile closed and only poxy McDonalds open so I went back and sat in the car took 20 mins for 1 of the chargers to become available. Only I was yapping on the phone I would have left.

It's a real disgrace we don't have proper hubs now since 2011.

Glad I kept the Rex.......

Yeah, kilcullen was busy enough yesterday. Always a CHAdeMO available, but CCS was fully in use for over 2 hours. Particularly between 5 and 7pm

Irishjg · 19-12-2020 3:49pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Yeah, kilcullen was busy enough yesterday. Always a CHAdeMO available, but CCS was fully in use for over 2 hours. Particularly between 5 and 7pm

Just proves more CCS are required on site. The place is massive and all was installed was a couple of CCS units. It’s a bloody disgrace. HUB, my arse.

markpb · 19-12-2020 5:49pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Wouldnâ€™t it be great if they started installing the old replaced AC22â€™s in banks in car parks at train stations or somewhere similar... reduce them to 7kW, and have a sh1t ton of them at train station car parks or park and ride facilities....

Whatever about banks, train stations are ideal for tonnes of cheap 3.5/7kW charge points.

Black_Knight · 19-12-2020 5:56pm

Irishjg wrote: »

Just proves more CCS are required on site. The place is massive and all was installed was a couple of CCS units. It’s a bloody disgrace. HUB, my arse.

It's only 1 day of data, but yes, from what I see over the last week, CCS is in full use about twice as much as CHAdeMO in kilcullen. Which, to my eyes would imply both are needed, but CCS requires a 3rd socket.

Over 7 days, 6 hours CCS was in full use, 2.4 hours CHAdeMO was in full use. Granted it's a site with more redundancy so drivers will gravitate to it.

AndyBoBandy · 19-12-2020 6:08pm

markpb wrote: »

Whatever about banks, train stations are ideal for tonnes of cheap 3.5/7kW charge points.

By banks, I meant banks of multiple chargers, not the places that charge us interest on our money, and then charge us more to get our money.....

markpb · 19-12-2020 6:19pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Y banks, I meant banks of multiple chargers, not the places that charge us interest on out money, and then charge us more to get our money.....

That’s what I get for trying to parent and read boards at the same time

20-12-2020 12:18pm

It really is a sad state to think that the first chargers were installed in 2011 and this is the best we have today, have to pay to Queue.

loopymum · 20-12-2020 1:40pm

Can't access either 22kw charger in killarney. Cones blocking one side and am smax on the other side.

Silent Running · 20-12-2020 2:09pm

loopymum wrote: »

Can't access either 22kw charger in killarney. Cones blocking one side and am smax on the other side.

Yeah, I think I'd be moving those cones. The charger seems to be live, the green light is on.

BorneTobyWilde · 20-12-2020 2:14pm

Will it ever be possible to charge a car in say 6 minutes, the same time it would take to fill a car with fuel. To get to the point that there is Electric Stations, just like petrol stations, and one can simply drive in, hook up, 5 minutes later away you go.

What is stopping the flow of such power into a battery?

MJohnston · 20-12-2020 2:46pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Will it ever be possible to charge a car in say 6 minutes, the same time it would take to fill a car with fuel. To get to the point that there is Electric Stations, just like petrol stations, and one can simply drive in, hook up, 5 minutes later away you go.

What is stopping the flow of such power into a battery?

Nothing is stopping it, in fact those batteries already exist:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/story/charge-a-car-battery-in-5-minutes-thats-the-plan/amp

Now it’s just a matter of refining and miniaturising the technology so that it’s cheap enough and small enough to fit into a car without being a hypothetical bomb.

Make no mistake though, if society still exists in 20 years, we will be fully charging 600km range EVs in less than 10 minutes. I’d say that’s even a conservative estimate.

icom · 20-12-2020 2:49pm

loopymum wrote: »

Can't access either 22kw charger in killarney. Cones blocking one side and am smax on the other side.

Crime scene ?

Black_Knight · 20-12-2020 3:15pm

loopymum wrote: »

Can't access either 22kw charger in killarney. Cones blocking one side and am smax on the other side.

Fresh paint? Don't think it was painted when I was there last month

slave1 · 20-12-2020 3:48pm

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Will it ever be possible to charge a car in say 6 minutes, the same time it would take to fill a car with fuel. To get to the point that there is Electric Stations, just like petrol stations, and one can simply drive in, hook up, 5 minutes later away you go.

What is stopping the flow of such power into a battery?

Well we're going places with the Tesla Model 3 and V3 Tesla Superchargers, here's a table pulled from a real world charging session as documented on xautoworld.com showing a 50% charge (with 150miles/241kms) gained in just over 11minutes.

Not bad,eh?

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Table-Model3-V3-Supercharging-Time.jpg?v=1572276273

AndyBoBandy · 20-12-2020 6:27pm

Needed to pop into the Pavillions today for a few minutes, and was a little low on juice so decided to pay the premium for a slow charge but with a prime parking space....

There was a BMW PHEV in the space beside me not charging, and as I was sitting in the car waiting for herself, BMW couple returned and simply unplugged their cable and stowed it and drove off.... (so they knew full well they were not charging as they didn’t try to ‘end’ the session that had never started...

So I guess this’ll be the new thing now... no longer will the AC’s be occupied because they were free, they’ll be occupied and not even charging because they are simply in a premium location.

innrain · 20-12-2020 9:24pm

I've seen it in Dundrum with both EVs and PHEVs. The funny bit is that the BMW is charging at 3kW and it would have costed the owner less than 1 quid per hour.

Black_Knight · 20-12-2020 10:23pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Needed to pop into the Pavillions today for a few minutes, and was a little low on juice so decided to pay the premium for a slow charge but with a prime parking space....

There was a BMW PHEV in the space beside me not charging, and as I was sitting in the car waiting for herself, BMW couple returned and simply unplugged their cable and stowed it and drove off.... (so they knew full well they were not charging as they didn’t try to ‘end’ the session that had never started...

So I guess this’ll be the new thing now... no longer will the AC’s be occupied because they were free, they’ll be occupied and not even charging because they are simply in a premium location.

Checking my data, only a daily max of about 2% of the slow chargers are occupied. Now I'm not exactly sure how accurate that is, given that the site will only say occupied if both ports are in use, and im not sure if both need to be occupied for that status to display.

I hear ya though. Anecdotally I've certainly seen more occupiers since fees came in

MJohnston · 20-12-2020 11:01pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Needed to pop into the Pavillions today for a few minutes, and was a little low on juice so decided to pay the premium for a slow charge but with a prime parking space....

There was a BMW PHEV in the space beside me not charging, and as I was sitting in the car waiting for herself, BMW couple returned and simply unplugged their cable and stowed it and drove off.... (so they knew full well they were not charging as they didn’t try to ‘end’ the session that had never started...

So I guess this’ll be the new thing now... no longer will the AC’s be occupied because they were free, they’ll be occupied and not even charging because they are simply in a premium location.

What type of chargers are there? I rarely have to actually end sessions on ESB AC chargers thanks to the way the i3 interrupts the charge when you unlock the car.

AndyBoBandy · 20-12-2020 11:03pm

MJohnston wrote: »

What type of chargers are there? I rarely have to actually end sessions on ESB AC chargers thanks to the way the i3 interrupts the charge when you unlock the car.

It was a wall mounted unit similar in design to the new AC’s they’ve been installing and upgrading to, but just as a wall mounted version.

MJohnston · 20-12-2020 11:08pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

It was a wall mounted unit similar in design to the new AC’s they’ve been installing and upgrading to, but just as a wall mounted version.

Yeah I’ve never had to “end session” with those types of chargers (they have them in Liffey Valley Tesco) with the i3. May not be the same with BMW PHEVs but maybe it is?

AndyBoBandy · 20-12-2020 11:13pm

The BMW definitely wasn’t charging as when I started my session, the screen was saying to unplug, and the A side was showing as available...

MJohnston · 20-12-2020 11:14pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

The BMW definitely wasn’t charging as when I started my session, the screen was saying to unplug, and the A side was showing as available...

Fair enough, just saying that a casual unplug and drive off isn’t an indication that someone wasn’t charging alone.

Kramer · 21-12-2020 1:03am

Shows the futility of having single chargers at motorway services.

If he had been on the way to Shannon from Dublin, in a 200km motorway range car, he'd have had to make a good 10 minute detour to a hotel in Nenagh (next DC on M7) & hope that wasn't ICE'd or occupied or out of service.

Busman Paddy Lasty · 21-12-2020 8:58am

One DC per site is a total joke. Nice review though.

markpb · 21-12-2020 10:33am

Kramer wrote: »

Shows the futility of having single chargers at motorway services.

It'll be carnage on bank holiday weekends next year when (hopefully) Covid starts to go away and a pile of ID3s are on the road that weren't there in 2019.

optimal · 21-12-2020 11:57am

markpb wrote: »

It'll be carnage on bank holiday weekends next year when (hopefully) Covid starts to go away and a pile of ID3s are on the road that weren't there in 2019.

I'm sure they will have fixed all the software problems by then

:)

Black_Knight · 21-12-2020 11:58am

markpb wrote: »

It'll be carnage on bank holiday weekends next year when (hopefully) Covid starts to go away and a pile of ID3s are on the road that weren't there in 2019.

Decent range on id3 though, so not as impactful as previous cars on they public network. I hear you though. Lots more cars, not exactly a corresponding increase in fcp in motorways. The few hubs should help a bit, but outside of those it can only be worse.

the_amazing_raisin · 21-12-2020 12:59pm

optimal wrote: »

I'm sure they will have fixed all the software problems by then :)

In their defense the latest software update does seem to have fixed most of the major issues

Black_Knight · 21-12-2020 1:38pm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

In their defense the latest software update does seem to have fixed most of the major issues

What were the major issues fixed? Id3 ones or ecars ones? Because id3 software updates wouldn't affect the numbers at chargers, but if ecars sorted the CHAdeMO overruling CCS issue that'd at least help with first come first served

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