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Ryanair posts first quarterly loss since 2014

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    #2
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,691 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It is standard that you post at least a little analysis rather than do a bare link-drop...


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    Shn99
    Registered Users Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Shn99


    L1011 wrote: »
    It is standard that you post at least a little analysis rather than do a bare link-drop...

    The title of the thread explains the article..


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    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,691 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Shn99 wrote: »
    The title of the thread explains the article..

    That doesn't counter my point. This isn't a blog/twitter/news site.


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    Shn99
    Registered Users Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Shn99


    L1011 wrote: »
    That doesn't counter my point. This isn't a blog/twitter/news site.

    It’s not the end of the world, you can get the gist of the linked article by reading the title. I don’t see such requirement in the Terms of use, if I’ve missed it please point me to it.


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    Nijmegen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    When you get in under it I think that staff cost increases are only a small part of it, the bigger issue was that they flew more pax's (8% more block hours flown and 8% more passengers) but fares fell considerably (avg fares -6%) while fuel prices were rising. Revenue is up +9%, but fares revenue only +1%, it's ancillary driving it at +26%.

    Costs are +20% (+259m); which is driven 2/3 by fuel (+138.7m), followed by staff costs (+56.5m) - And within the staff increase is the pilots pay increase, but also again naturally rising staff costs thanks to the +8% increase in block hours. But only 4 of their cost headings are up by less than +9% (airport charges, route charges and maintenance; and aircraft rentals is the only heading that's down.)

    The Economist keeps beating the drum that price competition from the likes of Wizz, in lower cost areas, is putting Ryanair under pressure. Ryanair keeps emphasizing that all its competition don't have the legs to go the financial distance with it, which is I think not untrue. The tacit message to shareholders of their slides on industry consolidation is "We'll weather this low fares/rising fuel prices thing, they won't."


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    Bummer1234
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    Also going on what perhaps Nijmegen is saying...People didn't wanna risk booking with ryanair for a period with a all the strikes and went with Aer lingus...

    Would this be a contributing fact also and have a dint on finances?


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    Nijmegen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    Bummer1234 wrote: »
    Also going on what perhaps Nijmegen is saying...People didn't wanna risk booking with ryanair for a period with a all the strikes and went with Aer lingus...

    Would this be a contributing fact also and have a dint on finances?

    I don't think the data support the assertion that bookings are suffering as a result of strikes. You can find their passenger data here, and I would summarise by saying that their year on year growth in the second half of calendar 2018 was significantly stronger than their growth in the second half of calendar 17.

    Indeed if we look at their growth rate, Oct Nov Dec was +11 +11 +12% YoY vs +8, 6 and 3% YoY the prior year.


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    rivegauche
    Registered Users Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭rivegauche


    They could have made a profit if they really wanted to do so.
    They want to drive airlines out of business and that costs money.
    This quarter is the quarter in which you hurt your competitors and hope they don't crawl through to Summer.


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    Nijmegen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭Nijmegen


    rivegauche wrote: »
    They could have made a profit if they really wanted to do so.
    They want to drive airlines out of business and that costs money.
    This quarter is the quarter in which you hurt your competitors and hope they don't crawl through to Summer.

    Basically. By driving down fares they're doing what they do any time EasyJet or similar try to get into Dublin. What would worry shareholders more is whether or not they're getting on top of the fundamental management issues, the loss itself is a blip I suspect.


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    Shn99
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    German carrier Germania collapsed earlier today. Really is volatile at the moment


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    vectorvictor
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    Whilst I think overall they still have alot to sort out, this loss is about as significant to them as someone in there loosing the office stapler. The share price is rallying a little bit too.

    They are getting hammered on Lauda but there is an end game.

    Good to see O'Leary stepping back to something more analytical which is really his quality . I think Jacobs has a good shot at CEO - Bellew too busy acting nice with the crews


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    satguy
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    If I'm sitting at the front of the plane, and my wife is sitting at the back of the plane, we don't spent any money on in flight snacks and drinks.
    We have a 2 0r 3 hour nap time,, and will do the same on the return flight.

    While priority boarding is a joke (have seen non PB passengers sitting down before some PB ones) It just make customers annoyed most of the time.

    The rules about bags seems to just confues most of us, rather than help,, and if Aerlingus is round about the same price, why would any of us do MOL a favour and stay with Ryanair.


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    vectorvictor
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    satguy wrote: »
    if Aerlingus is round about the same price, why would any of us do MOL a favour and stay with Ryanair.

    Anecdotally that gap seems to have gotten alot wider lately. I'd always go with Aer Lingus if the price difference was about €20 on a €150 or less airfare but I rarely find that anymore.

    Ryanair's late booking fares (excluding day of departure) have been very low.

    Exceptions to everything of course but the differential is generally pretty high and as MOL has said many times "lowest fare always wins". Many many times I've sworn never again but when I've a choice of an €80 return to Madrid or a €320 one booked a couple of days out - well "past hurts" and all that go out the window and it's worth the punt

    We always make sure to board paddy last and take a leisurely stroll down the aisle while waiting for "boarding complete" and take whatever two seats together are available- hasn't let us down yet and plenty of times thats the exit row


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    satguy
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    vectorvictor wrote: »
    We always make sure to board paddy last and take a leisurely stroll down the aisle while waiting for "boarding complete" and take whatever two seats together are available- hasn't let us down yet and plenty of times thats the exit row

    Yep,, Board last and sit where you want.
    All those that paid for PB had to struggle with two bags,, All those that paid to pick their seats had to call for help because someone was sitting in their seat.

    Last flight we put our small cases in the hold, it's €6 or €8 can't remember, we were at the back of the line, and sat where we liked, my wife sticks her handbag under the seat in front. = Happy Days ..


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