UK looking at Newry for potential nuclear waste site

Zorya

I will seriously lose my sheet if this happens. Might even come out of my hermitage and march on the place, occupy it even. Where's me tent! I mean it. :mad:

The UK Government are investigating the suitability of Newry and surrounding area of Mourne Mountains and Slieve Gullion as a potential venue for the storage of radioactive waste.


In a Radioactive Waste Management report it explains the potential suitability of the area for Geological Disposal Facility (GDF) "There are granites and similar strong rocks around Newry, in which we may be able to site a GDF. We would need to do more work to find out whether these rocks have suitable properties and thicknesses in the depth range of interest for a GDF.""

The report adds "In the vicinity of Newry (from Slieve Gullion to Slieve Croob), the basement rocks comprise a sequence of granite masses, several kilometres deep, which were emplaced into the Ordovician and Silurian rocks about 400 million years ago. These Newry Igneous Complex rocks range from granodiorite to granite and are potential HSR host rocks."

https://www.newry.ie/news/9-news/latest/6591-newry-area-under-investigation-for-radioactive-waste-disposal

tgdaly

Sure at least with the Brexit the radiation won't be able to pass the border

Faith+1

tgdaly wrote: »

Sure at least with the Brexit the radiation won't be able to pass the border

Very True

o1s1n

'quick lads, chuck our nuclear waste over to Northern Ireland before we lose it after Brexit!'

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

It’s also held back the roll out of nuclear power and also proper waste handling, in fact in the us for example stupid irrational fear and bad politicians have prevented nuclear reprocessing which would drastically reduce the amount of radioactive waste needing to be stored.

Zorya

Have to go to work now but will be back later to emote at greater length on this. First the fcukers try fracking, now this!!! I am seriously cross. :mad:

OldGoat

Carnsore Point would be a great place for a nuclear plant. We should build one of them yokes.

kneemos

OldGoat wrote: »

Carnsore Point would be a great place for a nuclear plant. We should build one of them yokes.

Get the hairy bikers off the beach first.

HalloweenJack

The cynic in me says this is a Brexit-based threat.

rossie1977

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

It’s also held back the roll out of nuclear power and also proper waste handling, in fact in the us for example stupid irrational fear and bad politicians have prevented nuclear reprocessing which would drastically reduce the amount of radioactive waste needing to be stored.

The us government wanted to store most of the us nuclear waste at yucca mountain in Nevada...a highly seismic region of the country and within 30-40 miles of the fastest growing city in the country, Las Vegas.

The fact Nevada itself has no nuclear power plants and that the plan called for shipments of waste to be transported right through the city of Vegas to Yucca mountain and that the leader of the senate came from Nevada was the reason it was shot down.

I see similar thing happening in Northern Ireland. Tories need the DUP votes and they won't agree to having the six counties used as a dumping site.

Renegade Mechanic

Meh. Nitrogen oxides and sulphur oxides will have killed so many of us through cancers that an actual Sellafield disaster would hardly be noticed..

kneemos

How would it work if we had a unified Ireland at some stage and the UK had a waste site on our land?

jimgoose

kneemos wrote: »

How would it work if we had a unified Ireland at some stage and the UK had a waste site on our land?

We'd have to build giant catapults to fuck it back to them. Bonus points for nobbling Boris Johnson on the noggin with a shkelp of Strontium-90. :cool:

Agent Smith

kneemos wrote: »

How would it work if we had a unified Ireland at some stage and the UK had a waste site on our land?

We took cork in the treaty didn't we?

For Forks Sake

Whatever about this proposal, looking at the citizens of Larne would lead me to believe that the brits have already been secretly dumping nuclear waste for decades

I'm sure the people of South Down will give the people assessing this a personal welcome.

For Forks Sake

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Whatever about this proposal, looking at the citizens of Larne would lead me to believe that the brits have already been secretly dumping nuclear waste for decades

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort%27s_Dyke

Grayson

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

It’s also held back the roll out of nuclear power and also proper waste handling, in fact in the us for example stupid irrational fear and bad politicians have prevented nuclear reprocessing which would drastically reduce the amount of radioactive waste needing to be stored.

And that's why the UK are placing it as far away from the home counties as possible.

Auguste Comte

Is this a DUP plan to turn everyone in the North orange,



And effing stupid.

artanevilla

Just look out for the English boats with the nuclear symbols on the side. They come very close to the island when dumping the old 'glow in the dark'.

1874

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

It’s also held back the roll out of nuclear power and also proper waste handling, in fact in the us for example stupid irrational fear and bad politicians have prevented nuclear reprocessing which would drastically reduce the amount of radioactive waste needing to be stored.

Peoples fear of handling Nuclear waste! what :eek:, thats with fairly good reason and you tell others to educate themselves, sweet jesus, not a big deal!

The overall cost of Nuclear power is not positive, billions is hoovered up and gigawatts of electrical power consumed before 1 watt of power is even produced, never mind the by products and costs in storing the waste, or the Co2 produced in the whole process of start to finish to create a nuclear power plant, its a false economy. By the time Nuclear power starts producing electrical power its all payback for the electricity/power consumed, its then a losing battle until decommisioning and the cost of indefinite storage of the by products, risk of harm to the environment (including us).

we'd be better off going down the route of integrating the maximum amount of a range of green options, like PV and wind, hydro, pumped storage and clean (as clean as possible) fossil fuels, until someone magics up a fusion reactor or some new means to create power or store energy.
In the interim where possible a means to reduce our consumption by increasing efficiencies/reducing the heating demand of buildings, and a modernisation/switch over to either electric and/or hydrogen for large vehicles (like trains/buses) which is already happening and available, yes hydrogen powered trains exist.
While Im all for EV cars, more benefit environmentally will be made switching public/mass transport fuel to hydrogen and electric than personal EV cars.
Nuclear power, unless some new form is available is an evolutionary dead end at the moment.


If you are happy with it, maybe site your home on a toxic nuclear waste site?

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Meh. Nitrogen oxides and sulphur oxides will have killed so many of us through cancers that an actual Sellafield disaster would hardly be noticed..

Righhht

Grayson

Grayson wrote: »

And that's why the UK are placing it as far away from the home counties as possible.

from the linked article

Thirteen regions in total are under investigation including Northern Ireland, Northern England, Pennines and adjacent areas, Eastern England, Wales, Welsh Borderland, Central England, East Anglia, Bristol and Gloucester, London and the Thames Valley, South West England, Hampshire Basin and Wealden District.

AlanG

With so much of the Electricity in Northern Ireland and the Republic coming from Nuclear power it is no surprise that this is one of the areas being considered. Once we signed up to the inter connector we became a nuclear powered nation. I wouldn't like it but I accept the waste has to go somewhere and therefore it should be in the most geographically suitable place. I imaging security concerns will rule out this site. The UK government have been pushing back a decision on permanent nuclear storage for years so it is unlikely to be made soon.

colm_mcm

kneemos wrote: »

How would it work if we had a unified Ireland at some stage and the UK had a waste site on our land?

That would be way down the list of problems to be fair!

Odhinn

Zorya wrote: »

I will seriously lose my sheet if this happens. Might even come out of my hermitage and march on the place, occupy it even. Where's me tent! I mean it. :mad:



https://www.newry.ie/news/9-news/latest/6591-newry-area-under-investigation-for-radioactive-waste-disposal

I would have thought Portadown would have been the more likely site, given its already toxic atmosphere and mutated population.

Auguste Comte

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

It’s also held back the roll out of nuclear power and also proper waste handling, in fact in the us for example stupid irrational fear and bad politicians have prevented nuclear reprocessing which would drastically reduce the amount of radioactive waste needing to be stored.

I'm sure the people of Fukushima are delighted they were selected for their nuclear project.

Zorya

We should not have electricity from nuclear power if that's what the inetrconnector deal meant. I didn't sign it.

We do not produce nuclear energy on this island, there is no way another country should even be considering using this island to dump their nuclear waste. In a couple of decades the North will be integrated with the Republic and to have another nations nuclear dump deep in the bowels of the Mourne mountains! No way.

I love the way people use the word ''store'' as a euphenism for ''dump''. When we landfill rubbish we don't call it stores, we call it dumps, because that is what they are. The inability to properly deal with nuclear waste is the reason I am anti nuclear power. This inability continues.

Look at Fukushima - still seeping out large amounts of radioactivity into the Pacific ocean, which no one talks about any more. It is a dangerous technology.

nullObjects

Related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwY2E0hjGuU

John Oliver talks about the costs associated with Americas solution to storing nuclear waste.
(And also that many of the facilities were meant to be replaced years ago but weren't)

Dyr

Nukery

Edgware

Anything that improves Newrymust be welcomed

Harry Palmr

Honestly, what's the fuss about? Sticking seals blocks of recycled waste in purpose built underground structures makes perfect sense - far more sensible than leaving it on the surface and it's not going to be shot into space.

Zorya

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Honestly, what's the fuss about? Sticking seals blocks of recycled waste in purpose built underground structures makes perfect sense - far more sensible than leaving it on the surface and it's not going to be shot into space.

That's cool. If you just PM me your address I will let the UK know immediately that your back garden is available.

Auguste Comte

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Honestly, what's the fuss about? Sticking seals blocks of recycled waste in purpose built underground structures makes perfect sense - far more sensible than leaving it on the surface and it's not going to be shot into space.

Just not on this little island please.

jmayo

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

It’s also held back the roll out of nuclear power and also proper waste handling, in fact in the us for example stupid irrational fear and bad politicians have prevented nuclear reprocessing which would drastically reduce the amount of radioactive waste needing to be stored.

Why do I bet you would quickly become a NIMBY if it was site near yourself. :rolleyes:

BTW the last thing we want is something that could possibly result in a more mutated Northern population.

italodisco

I hope the south armagh brigade make sure this doesn't happen

Edgware

jmayo wrote: »

Why do I bet you would quickly become a NIMBY if it was site near yourself. :rolleyes:

BTW the last thing we want is something that could possibly result in a more mutated Northern population.

Could the level of inbreeding be actually increased?

Edgware

italodisco wrote: »

I hope the south armagh brigade make sure this doesn't happen

They wont want anything disrupting their disposal of diesel mixes

selwyn froggitt

jmayo wrote: »

BTW the last thing we want is something that could possibly result in a more mutated Northern population.

Radiation fades your genes

Zorya

Bribes on offer to the local communities willing to ''host'' the site...

Local communities around England, Wales and Northern Ireland will be offered £1m a year to volunteer to host an underground nuclear waste disposal facility for thousands of years, as part of a rebooted government programme. The financial incentive is one way the government hopes to encourage communities to host the £12bn facility...

http://electricityinfo.org/news/radwaste-43/

Communities will receive up to £42 million if they agree to consider hosting an underground nuclear waste dump. They can keep the money even if they ultimately decide against it, under government plans. The payments, which will be spread over 20 years, are aimed at persuading communities to engage in the process of selecting and testing a site that will store enough radioactive waste to fill the Albert Hall six times. The Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said more than one community could receive the funding, with each being given up to £42million. The proposals appear to weaken the power of county councils, making it harder for them to prevent a community from agreeing to host the £19 billion “geological disposal facility” (GDF). A consultation document states the final decision will be subject to a “test of public support”, which could be a local referendum. The right to vote in the referendum could be restricted to a small area around the proposed site.

alloywheel

Lots of Irish people choose to emigrate to parts of the world where electricity ids generated by nuclear power, and they do not seem to mind. We want our cake and to eat it sometimes. Think of the pollution that comes from other forms of power.

rgodard80a

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

Educate yourself with this history lesson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire

There was a very interesting TV documentary about it last year.
"John Cockroft" was directing the building and at the very last minute managed to convince the architects/government to add air filters/scrubbers to the top of the chimneys. He was ridiculed at the time and they were called "Cockrofts Folly".

When Windscale (since "rebranded" to Sellafield) caught fire, his scrubbers contained the majority of the harmful radioactive air pollutants avoiding a lot of contamination that would've easily blown across the Irish sea to Ireland depending on wind direction.

Zorya

Swedish court has just rejected burial of nuclear waste - though the final decision lies with government.

The Swedish Environmental Court’s no to the final repository for spent nuclear fuel....The statement concerns Sweden’s most important environmental case of all times. The Environmental Court has been taken into consideration viewpoints from all parties of the case, including the scientists who have raised their concerns about disposing the spent nuclear fuel in copper canisters.

http://www.mkg.se/en/the-swedish-environmental-court-s-no-to-the-final-repository-for-spent-nuclear-fuel-a-triumph-for-th

kneemos

rgodard80a wrote: »

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".

Educate yourself with this history lesson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire

There was a very interesting TV documentary about it last year.
"John Cockroft" was directing the building and at the very last minute managed to convince the architects/government to add air filters/scrubbers to the top of the chimneys. He was ridiculed at the time and they were called "Cockrofts Folly".

When Windscale (since "rebranded" to Sellafield) caught fire, his scrubbers contained the majority of the harmful radioactive air pollutants avoiding a lot of contamination that would've easily blown across the Irish sea to Ireland depending on wind direction.

Not related to storage in fairness.

The Tetrarch

We should let them know Wicklow is about 70 miles of granite.
If they don't want to drill a hole to hide the stuff they can feck it on the side of the road like everyone else.

All together now
"Neighbours, everybody needs good neighbours
With a little understanding, you can find the perfect blend
Neighbours, should be there for one another
That's when good neighbours become good friends"

rgodard80a

kneemos wrote: »

Not related to storage in fairness.

Same crowd.... and they do store nuclear waste in Sellafield ( badly )

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/growing-fears-radioactive-leak-sellafield-10765565

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/19/sellafield-plutonium-decaying-faster-anticipated-intolerable/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2005/may/09/environment.nuclearindustry

etc, etc....

cgcsb

Jade Colossal Page wrote: »

Educate yourself on nuclear waste and it’s storage before losing the head over it. It’s not a big deal at all, people’s fear of nuclear power and handling the waste is one of the biggest irrational fears of all time.

It’s also held back the roll out of nuclear power and also proper waste handling, in fact in the us for example stupid irrational fear and bad politicians have prevented nuclear reprocessing which would drastically reduce the amount of radioactive waste needing to be stored.

I tend to agree with you. Nuclear hysteria in Ireland has done dreadful damage to our national energy security. The sit-in of English hippies in the 1974 in Wexford resulted in the construction of moneypoint coal fired power, which is now responsible for the bulk of this country's emissions from electricity generation.

However, the nearest nuclear plant to Newry is about 300km away in Scotland and there's a sea crossing in between. Moving waste such a large distance is nonsense, considering the volume of available sites in Scotland and the North of England. It smacks of British, pulling a fast one. They have form in this regard and the proper storage of nuclear waste is an expensive game, one which the Tory government has no motivation not to cut corners on, outside EU regulation and outside the area where they can get any votes at all.

cgcsb

rossie1977 wrote: »

The us government wanted to store most of the us nuclear waste at yucca mountain in Nevada...a highly seismic region of the country and within 30-40 miles of the fastest growing city in the country, Las Vegas.

The fact Nevada itself has no nuclear power plants and that the plan called for shipments of waste to be transported right through the city of Vegas to Yucca mountain and that the leader of the senate came from Nevada was the reason it was shot down.

I see similar thing happening in Northern Ireland. Tories need the DUP votes and they won't agree to having the six counties used as a dumping site.

The DUP gave them the idea I bet, Newry and Mourne is far from a DUP heartland the the DUP probably got a few shiney pieces of silver. Without Stormont sitting, who can stop them?

Ultimately it won't be tollerated, construction vehicles just wont make it to site.

tabby aspreme

italodisco wrote: »

I hope the south armagh brigade make sure this doesn't happen

Bit of a coincidence, the Tories putting nuclear waste in their least favourite place, in the Empire.

cgcsb

Auguste Comte wrote: »

I'm sure the people of Fukushima are delighted they were selected for their nuclear project.

What about the sailors who were incinerated in the oil tanker fire near Whiddy Island? Or the victims of the other THOUSANDS of fossil fuel industry disasters.

touts

UK Gov: We want to leave the EU.
DUP. Fine! Ulster refuses to be removed from the UK.
UK Gov: It'll mean economic recession in Northern Ireland.
DUP. Fine! Ulster refuses to be removed from the UK.
UK Gov: You could see a return to violence and terrorism.
DUP. Fine! Ulster refuses to be removed from the UK.
UK Gov We're thinking of using you as a Nuclear dumping ground.


Anyone else think the UK Gov might want to break up with Ulster.

BIGT4464

cgcsb wrote: »

What about the sailors who were incinerated in the oil tanker fire near Whiddy Island? Or the victims of the other THOUSANDS of fossil fuel industry disasters.

I am sure they are delighted with the employment. Look at the news when the new Anglesey plant was canceled. The locals were devastated at the loss of jobs.
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