Gardai cricitise paedophile hunters

Killinator

Something these groups fail to understand here is that the Gardai cannot prosecute these lads because of these stings.
They haven't committed a crime. If a decoy witha fake profile is used then they've been communicating with an adult all along....not a crime.
The child does not exist...it never did. You can't prosecute a person for attempting to meet up with a non existent person.

Any evidence gathered suggests the person would meet up with a child....but there is no child, it's an adult in disguise!

There's nothing to prosecute them with when they call the Gardai while holding one of these lads following a sting

LoughNeagh2017

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Paedophile hunters groups are all amazing people who are protecting innocent children. No paedophile is confronted until the hunters are completely sure that the paedoohile is a danger to children. The hunters have always got evidence eg. Photos. Addresses etc. When tracked down the hunters constantly film the altercation to ensure that any fighting etc will be on tape. Sadly when a lot of these bastards do eventually get to court if a certain judge is sitting then the case is often dismissed. Dismissed after all that hard work but hunters and especially decoys. Dismissed with either a suspended sentence or a friendly warning.

They are wretched loud mouths who make my misanthropy flare up. I've watched the local Northern Ireland ones and the man has a face that I would love to punch over and over again. They are so smug, arrogant and vicious, they also made assumptions in their videos that childless men support paedophilia, the man said "It looks like the people who are complaining are people who don't have children themselves". They are arrogant smug men who are just trying to feel better and more important than the average people of society.

Hoboo

Eric Cartman wrote: »

im 100% sure im going to absolutely regret asking but, bbc's ?

Big Black Cocks I thought?

But also into women (as long as they're barely legal or not over 40)

Strange one.

Jonny one

I'd wager most Paedophile hunters are Gemma O'Doherty supporters

Galwayguy35

Killinator wrote: »

Something these groups fail to understand here is that the Gardai cannot prosecute these lads because of these stings.
They haven't committed a crime. If a decoy witha fake profile is used then they've been communicating with an adult all along....not a crime.
The child does not exist...it never did. You can't prosecute a person for attempting to meet up with a non existent person.

Any evidence gathered suggests the person would meet up with a child....but there is no child, it's an adult in disguise!

There's nothing to prosecute them with when they call the Gardai while holding one of these lads following a sting

So how come Kieran Creaven ended up in prison then?

I know it was the UK but one would think the law would be fairly standard in cases like this.

Killinator

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So how come Kieran Creaven ended up in prison then?

I know it was the UK but one would think the law would be fairly standard in cases like this.

Simple answer is in your post....because it was the UK.
Despite the assumption, it isn't the same here

eagle eye

Garibaldi? wrote:

Actually no. But I am calling self -styled hunters dangerous, unqualified, possibly disturbed people without any legal remit who may undermine the legal process which responsible citizens respect in our democracy.

Well that's not what you said earlier.

And if you go into a district or circuit court and see all the pedantic stuff going on there and the amount of clearly guilty people walking away scot free then you'd understand how people could end up taking the law into their own hands.
Now I'm not saying they are right and I'm not advocating what they do just pointing out that there is every chance there's a good reason as to why they are doing it.

Galwayguy35

Killinator wrote: »

Simple answer is in your post....because it was the UK.
Despite the assumption, it isn't the same here

Well if it's not it should be the same here.

Like it or not if it wasn't for these people that dirtbag would be still operating under the radar looking for victims.

Even his own wife hadn't a clue what he was really like.

donkeykong5

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well if it's not it should be the same here.

Like it or not if it wasn't for these people that dirtbag would be still operating under the radar looking for victims.

Even his own wife hadn't a clue what he was really like.

Seems he was up to his old tricks again before Christmas. But as its Ireland I doubt anything will be done about it.

Discodog

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Sounds like you agree with that statement so.

Maybe you can clarify if you think the people filming were worse than any paedophile.

Not worse but hardly better. Both are nasty people. Sounds like you love to put people into pigeon holes.

Killinator

Discodog wrote: »

Not worse but hardly better. Both are nasty people. Sounds like you love to put people into pigeon holes.

I've experience of one of these groups, they performed a sting and kept a guy waiting for Gardai to attend.
They were extremely abusive towards him and borderline assaulted him.
Wanted him hung drawn and quartered.

He had the mental capacity of an 11 year old, had no idea what he was doing that was so wrong.

The hunters were completely unaware of this but they didn't care as they are not held to that kind of standard.
This fella was all over Facebook admitting what he was doing and not having a clue how it was appearing as he didn't understand what was happening.
He had left his minder while out for a tea/coffee to meet this person as he thought he'd made a new friend on Facebook

But whatever the truth was, to anyone on Facebook and to the hunters he was a dirty pedo scumbag deserving of a severe beating, and was identified by several people knowing him locally.but not knowing his scenario.

Of course often the lads they sting are genuine pedos but the hunters don't check out stuff like that.

Galwayguy35

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Seems he was up to his old tricks again before Christmas. But as its Ireland I doubt anything will be done about it.

Hadn't heard that but can't say I'm surprised, there is no cure for the sickness these scumbags have.

Galwayguy35

Discodog wrote: »

Not worse but hardly better. Both are nasty people. Sounds like you love to put people into pigeon holes.

Bit of an odd opinion you have there but sure it is what it is.

Discodog

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Bit of an odd opinion you have there but sure it is what it is.

I don't think it's that odd. But I am sure that the brave "Hunters" would consider me a Pedo supporter. Their view is probably that you either support them or the Pedos.

paleoperson

I saw this video on Dr. Phil recently, seems pertinent to the thread.

weldoninhio

Garibaldi? wrote: »

The bottom line is that they have no authority to interfere with another member of the public for any offence, real or perceived. If they approach, threaten and frighten somebody, and that person inflicts serious injury in self-defence, they are the aggressors and will not have a leg to stand on.

Of course people have the right. Try again.

“That said, legally any person can arrest a person who they have reasonable cause to believe is in the act of committing or has previously committed an arrestable offence, which is to say a crime punishable by more than five years in prison.“

paleoperson

weldoninhio wrote: »

Of course people have the right. Try again.

“That said, legally any person can arrest a person who they have reasonable cause to believe is in the act of committing or has previously committed an arrestable offence, which is to say a crime punishable by more than five years in prison.“

Where the hell are you quoting that from? Do you honestly mean to suggest that because someone said something somewhere it must be true? I mean wtf?

Anyone can tell it's bullcrap just by looking at it. To make a citizen's arrest you have to have more than "reasonable cause to believe", otherwise people would be doing it all the time of people who they think have committed a crime. To be put in prison it must be beyond all reasonable doubt.

It's a bit like the "great wall of china is so big it can be seen from anywhere in the world" line on Father Ted - it's so ridiculous you can instantly tell it's wrong. So much for trusting what you put in quotes.

For anyone interested I searched that wording and he's quoting from a Newstalk article that doesn't even give the name of the writer, no doubt preceeded by a quick search on google. Some joke, much like these "pedophile hunters".

https://www.newstalk.com/news/can-you-actually-make-a-citizens-arrest-in-ireland-539626

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

weldoninhio wrote: »

Of course people have the right. Try again.

“That said, legally any person can arrest a person who they have reasonable cause to believe is in the act of committing or has previously committed an arrestable offence, which is to say a crime punishable by more than five years in prison.“

I presume you're talking about a citizen's arrest here. In which case it does't apply when you have advance notice that a crime is going to be committed; as if you do you're supposed to contact the Gardai up front.

Nor is it valid when your first action is to stick a camera in the target's face or make threats or use threatening language. First act should be to annouce the arrest, followed by immediate trasnfer to the police.

AllForIt

eagle eye wrote: »

Well that's not what you said earlier.

And if you go into a district or circuit court and see all the pedantic stuff going on there and the amount of clearly guilty people walking away scot free then you'd understand how people could end up taking the law into their own hands.

You could understand ppl talking the law into their own hands - if they were the victims or the family of the victims. The vast vast majority of PH's do not fall into this category.

If they were so concerned about the law going wrong - what other criminals do they set about capturing, like drug dealers, wife beaters, husband beaters, adult rapists, general hardened criminals? These kinds of ppl exist in every town in the country to varying degrees.

So I'm really not convinced that they are motivated to take action because they see the law failing them. A thoroughly unconvincing spin of an excuse.

Strazdas

AllForIt wrote: »

You could understand ppl talking the law into their own hands - if they were the victims or the family of the victims. The vast vast majority of PH's do not fall into this category.

If they were so concerned about the law going wrong - what other criminals do they set about capturing, like drug dealers, wife beaters, husband beaters, adult rapists, general hardened criminals? These kinds of ppl exist in every town in the country to varying degrees.

So I'm really not convinced that they are motivated to take action because they see the law failing them. A thoroughly unconvincing spin of an excuse.

Nearly all of these would fight back and many would use physical violence if a group of vigilantes tried to entrap them and live stream it on Facebook (not to mention the high risk of a revenge attack on these groups). The vigilantes are pathetic cowards, who knew?

dresden8

Gardai cricitise paedophile hunters

Yet celebrate RIC and DMP murders.

You can't make this **** up.

The_Kew_Tour

So if nobody gets charged in this country for what they do then what is their motive?

I think it's fair to say they are first of all wasting Garda time, its clear they are looking for the attention, to be seen to be doing something good with their lives.

I wonder have they got into trouble for accusing a wrong person

Nokia6230i

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

It is men like me who society suspects would be looking at child porn but I have never looked at it, they like to paint the weird neckbeard loner as the evil one and they can't handle it when a normal type of man is found guilty of it. That brings them fear, they don't know who they can trust in society as they don't know what goes on behind a mans nice house in the suburbs. Perversion and paedophilia are two distinct things, a pervert isn't always a paedophile but he will always be suspected of being a paedophile. If the police raided my computer the only thing they would find are BBC's and my collection of camgirl videos, women from 18-40.

I had to google BBCs; they weren't going Cock a Doodle Do either; had Safe Search option swithed off cos I'm a responsible adult mind who doesn't need protecting from himself.

As for Cam Girls; not judging ya at all but I never saw the fascination with them; paying silly money for 1-2 minutes of chat with someone who won't do anything til you're willing to fork out for 15-30 minutes while she's in her garage somewhere or rollicking on a Penneys duvet?

Yeah, no thanks; I'll stick with p**n; least there's production values involved and the sounds aren't tinny & echoey etc.

Nokia6230i

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Nothing at all wrong with louise and cpa. They recently removed a very dangerous filthy paedoohile from a west Dublin housing estate. The convicted paedophile was a danger to local children in the area where he has previously abused children.

Who was it?

Was he really a danger? Or just a perceived danger?

There is case management; however when a company called FPS who treat sex offenders at their presmises & also victims of same (Sallynoggin) the knuckle draggers actually thought that they did it at the same time on same premises; they inevitably also thought that you could become sexually abused by a child sex abuser just by virtue of them having been there the previous day.

I know FPS; if you think they would've held treatment of sex offenders and sex abuse victims (in any case the two parties would not be known to each other as there'd be a conflict of interest there) on the same day you're deluded.

Their premises was sabotaged, vandalised & files were stolen & burnt & those that were taken have now gotten into hands of rather less than salubrious vigilante types such as a particularly vile local anarchist who's againast anything & everything.

Our sentencing of those in possession of child sexual abuse images/videos & those convicted of actual child sexual abuse & rape is p**s poor in so many cases and I think a custodial should always be a thing; forget the no convictions, the hail fellow well met character references, the suspended sentences & the concurrent periods; we need consecutive & minimum sentencing; they're already getting standard 1/4 to 1/3 remission.

But we need better post release supervision too; the ICCL will fight against it but surely ankle bracelet tagging should be an option; they're discreet and I'm sure other categories of prisoners might be subject to same so that if you do reveal one in the gym etc. nobody should just assume you're a sex offender.

Majority of those who commit sexual offences DO NOT go on to reoffend; this is mainly because so many are known to the victim by virtue of being related, work colleague etc.

But CPA who're the benchmark wouldn't've a clue about any of this; Stranger Danger, if it's still being taught in Primary or National Schools, is far less prevalent, and hence more shocking, than the "traditional" route of sexual offending by a relative, sports coach, dance or music teacher etc.

Nokia6230i

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Sadly I think you’re right to some degree anyway.

When you hear the way they talk not just to the People they challenge(Fair game there), but the way they talk to the Garda or people who question them. They seem like nasty people themselves and are using this to make them feel important and maybe get away with things that they might get into trouble with themselves

This bit; 100% yes; the s**t AGS've to put up with; the PHs want those they've stung to be strung up immediately; the clearly don't understand our "justice" system (yes I know it's quite defective regarding sexual offences crimes) or're too angry at it to let the slow wheels of justice turn.

Live-streaming is a concept I'm totally uncomfortable with in any situation; I was a victim of it by a local social media guru on at least two occasions & I dodged a third because I spotted him getting his phone & camera ready so made like a tree & when you're not being filmed with your consent it's terribly intrusive even if, in my case, I had just opined, off line, why a grown ass adult male is discussing sexual education with random kids who can't consent and aren't his; it was a social media post he'd put up & then deleted it when another person queried why he's talking to other parents children unbeknownst to them (the parents) about sexual education and a Primary or National School booklet.

While the post is deleted but screenshot in other public forums online (not by me I hasten to add; others also must've screenshot it; in a group numbering 8.500+ bound to me more than just one person screenshotting it.....) he seems to've dodged a CPA type bullet; they'd've been at his house with effigies of his head & face on a pike or similar.

This Live Streaming in Ireland grew, I think, from Irish Water protests where every thick thought they were a victim of police brutality and wanted to intimidate IW contractors also, to this CPA stuff to the current, and local to me sadly, anti TUSLA s*** show among other conspiracy/anti corruption movements.

Consent isn't sought by these individuals; it's a gross invasion of privacy; there's right & wrong ways for CPA to do this; video the individual, record him; if the case proceeds to sentence then release the footage but don't endanger a case; such cases in Ireland're rare; I think there was one successful in 2019 where a private security guard in a semi State body/quango had been cornered in a City Centre square; of course that begat the online "Govt. Employee; sure they're all corrupt/paedos" bollocksology that goes on these days.

Could also understand if footage was released in event of unsuccessful case where acquittal, found not guilty or more p*** poor sentencing; I don't condone vigilantism but where we repeatedly let down victims, let down society with no verdicts, crap verdicts and crap sentencing, I understand the anger.

Guy:Incognito

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Hadn't heard that but can't say I'm surprised, there is no cure for the sickness these scumbags have.

But see heres the thing, you've no idea if that's true or not , it's just a sentence on an internet forum by some anonymous person.
That can easily escalate to vigilante action against someone without any evidence.

Guy:Incognito

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Nothing at all wrong with louise and cpa. They recently removed a very dangerous filthy paedoohile from a west Dublin housing estate. The convicted paedophile was a danger to local children in the area where he has previously abused children.

And what was achieved? He was moved away from there to somewhere else where people don't know him, sure who gives a crap about the kids wherever he ends up?

No different than moving priests around when they were caught. If anything youd imagine its help them because they are now somewhere new where no one knows them.

weldoninhio

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

So if nobody gets charged in this country for what they do then what is their motive?

I think it's fair to say they are first of all wasting Garda time, its clear they are looking for the attention, to be seen to be doing something good with their lives.

I wonder have they got into trouble for accusing a wrong person

The police won’t do anything so they do. They expose scumbag paedophiles and livestream them, letting the community around them know that there is a beast among them. The beast can then be removed from the area. One way or another.

eagle eye

AllForIt wrote:

You could understand ppl talking the law into their own hands - if they were the victims or the family of the victims. The vast vast majority of PH's do not fall into this category.

How do you know this?

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

The police won’t do anything so they do. They expose scumbag paedophiles and livestream them, letting the community around them know that there is a beast among them. The beast can then be removed from the area. One way or another.

And what happens when they are wrong?