Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

troyzer

Zzippy wrote: »

Very much doubt Beirne will feature if he's not getting gametime for Munster this week. He's not in the category of players who can walk back into the team without featuring for their province and proving their fitness. He won't have had a game since the Exeter game. Assuming Henderson gets through tonight, it should be Hendo Ryan or Hendo Roux to start against Italy.

I don't think Henderson has a lot to prove but I wouldn't mind having him in with Dillane with Roux on the bench.

Richie_Rich89

It would be interesting to see Tom Farrell get a shot at 13 against the Italians. He's a smart player. When Ireland were crying out for someone to come on and change the picture against England, he'd have been able to make a difference, I think. His ability to manufacture line-breaks is almost unrivalled in Ireland.

Clegg

Maybe edit that post?

Clegg

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

It would be interesting to see Tom Farrell get a shot at 13 against the Italians. He's a smart player. When Ireland were crying out for someone to come on and change the picture against England, he'd have been able to make a difference, I think. His ability to manufacture line-breaks is almost unrivalled in Ireland.

Ringrose is the best 13 in Europe. He was also our best player against England, making 3 clean linebreaks, the same amount as the rest of our team combined. Tom Farrell is a good provincial player and wouldn't have made one iota of a difference against England.

I can't believe I took a Richie post at face value

Buer

Lovely try. DK having a good run of scoring this season.

They'll be happy with that try from a set play. Interesting that Ross Byrne moved out wider for the move which is something we've seen from Ireland with Sexton and Carbery recently.

Buer

COB having a fun day so far carrying hard and also getting a chance to show off his passing range, stepping in at outhalf at times.

troyzer

Buer wrote: »

COB having a fun day so far carrying hard and also getting a chance to show off his passing range, stepping in at outhalf at times.

Are you deliberately posting this in the Ireland thread?

Buer

Oops.

troyzer

Buer wrote: »

Oops.

Thought so!

troyzer

I'm not sure when it happened but England have leapfrogged us in World Cups odds on Paddy Power.

They're 4/1 and we're 5/1.

Excellent news.

Southdubin6

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not sure when it happened but England have leapfrogged us in World Cups odds on Paddy Power.

They're 4/1 and we're 5/1.

Excellent news.

Pre nations they were 7/2 we were 9/2

salmocab

Can we put the title on the thread now, I think the one about discussing everything from A to Y was a clear favorite.

Richie_Rich89

troyzer wrote: »

I'm not sure when it happened but England have leapfrogged us in World Cups odds on Paddy Power.

They're 4/1 and we're 5/1.

Excellent news.

Realistically, the only teams winning the World Cup are New Zealand, England and South Africa. Ireland doesn't really have the collective psyche as a nation to do it.

Shefwedfan

Ireland should have always been behind

NZ
England
SA
Australia
France

in the World Cup. Based on previous tournaments we are absolutely useless.

thebaz

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Realistically, the only teams winning the World Cup are New Zealand, England and South Africa. Ireland doesn't really have the collective psyche as a nation to do it.

how did you work that out ?

We did alright last year , many would have said the same about beating all blacks, we would have certainly the same chance of winning WC as England or South Africa at this stage.

The Lost Sheep

thebaz wrote: »

how did you work that out?

We did alright last year, many would have said the same about beating all blacks, we would have certainly the same chance of winning WC as England or South Africa at this stage.

We could have said same about world cups before in terms of doing well but we still havent ever won a knock out match in a world cup. In spite of all thats happened past few years i'll be happy if we can just make a semi final.

stephen_n

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Realistically, the only teams winning the World Cup are New Zealand, England and South Africa. Ireland doesn't really have the collective psyche as a nation to do it.

Maybe we need to import more foreigners then.



Sits in the corner quietly watching Richies head explode.

thebaz

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

We could have said same about world cups before in terms of doing well but we still havent ever won a knock out match in a world cup. In spite of all thats happened past few years i'll be happy if we can just make a semi final.

we never have gone into a WC with such a pedigree of winning games , such as beating everyone last year - while I think it unlikely we will beat the all blacks at a WC , we should not be afraid of anyone else , provided we are not hit by catastophic injuries (which derailed our last WC .

Shefwedfan

thebaz wrote: »

how did you work that out ?

We did alright last year , many would have said the same about beating all blacks, we would have certainly the same chance of winning WC as England or South Africa at this stage.

Get to a semi and we can talk about it then


Our standard is get out of group and then get beaten

The Lost Sheep

thebaz wrote: »

we never have gone into a WC with such a pedigree of winning games, such as beating everyone last year - while I think it unlikely we will beat the all blacks at a WC, we should not be afraid of anyone else, provided we are not hit by catastophic injuries (which derailed our last WC.

Injuries last time is part of reason. completely outplayed as well.
We had decent pedigree before previous world cups obviously not as good as this time but still very good nonetheless and its still 6 world cup knock out games 6 defeats.

Eod100

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Realistically, the only teams winning the World Cup are New Zealand, England and South Africa. Ireland doesn't really have the collective psyche as a nation to do it.

What does that even mean? It comes down to players on the pitch. I don't know what that pseudo-intellectual stuff is meant to actually mean?

sydthebeat

Eod100 wrote: »

What does that even mean? It comes down to players on the pitch. I don't know what that pseudo-intellectual stuff is meant to actually mean?

It means if we all pray hard enough we might get to the semis.....

P.Walnuts

Can we please not reply to posts that are obviously are just fishing for a reaction and to drag the thread into the absolute sh*tter.

Ignore them and they will go away

sxt

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Realistically, the only teams winning the World Cup are New Zealand, England and South Africa. Ireland doesn't really have the collective psyche as a nation to do it.

I'd put Australia in that list as well. Even though they might not have the greatest of teams this year. They always have the will and tenacity to go far in competitions

Nz could have put out a second string 15 against Argentina in the last world cup and would have found a way to win that game. Losing by 20 points could not have happened

Nz would never get humiliated by England at home, especially in a world cup year. Every team with ambition knows Ireland are vulnerable

Eod100

sydthebeat wrote: »

It means if we all pray hard enough we might get to the semis.....

The novenas will be in full swing come September..

Neil3030

sydthebeat wrote: »

It means if we all pray hard enough we might get to the semis.....

sounds like something you say to your wife on your 30th wedding anniversary night.

Buer

sxt wrote: »

Nz would never get humiliated by England at home, especially in a world cup year. Every team with ambition knows Ireland are vulnerable

NZ lost to England in 2003 in Wellington. The score was tight but England had two men in the bin at one point and NZ couldn't score. They took a huge amount of criticism at the time.

thebaz

sxt wrote: »

Nz would never get humiliated by England at home, especially in a world cup year. Every team with ambition knows Ireland are vulnerable

Strange up to 2011 , NZ were labbelled WC choakers and nearly lost that final to a very average French team - selective memory is alive and kicking.

AbusesToilets

I have similar feelings about the team that were had in 2007, in that we have a very specific structure we try to play within. Back then it was based around territory, lineouts and strike plays. That got taken away and we struggled mightily. A knock out game against SA or NZ, how well can we adapt if faced with the same intensity that England brought?

aloooof

sxt wrote: »

Nz would never get humiliated by England at home, especially in a world cup year.

Ireland would never get humiliated by New Zealand at home in a World Cup year. Cos they would never play each other. This point is absolutely meaningless.

Shefwedfan

AbusesToilets wrote: »

I have similar feelings about the team that were had in 2007, in that we have a very specific structure we try to play within. Back then it was based around territory, lineouts and strike plays. That got taken away and we struggled mightily. A knock out game against SA or NZ, how well can we adapt if faced with the same intensity that England brought?

The main issue again in 2007 was the squad size....After the initial starting 15 and subs the rest of the guys just went along for the crack, all of them knew they would never get a chance to get onto the pitch


We didn't seem to resolve that in last World Cup when really the squad was a bit bigger but nothing major,

razorblunt

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The main issue again in 2007 was the squad size....After the initial starting 15 and subs the rest of the guys just went along for the crack, all of them knew they would never get a chance to get onto the pitch


We didn't seem to resolve that in last World Cup when really the squad was a bit bigger but nothing major,

Wasn't the highlight of Frankie Sheahan's trip hitting a Royal Flush in the casino around the corner from them?

Mr Tickle

The prospect of SA in QF really worries me. I can see it going a lot like the England game. A defense that manages to stop our ball carriers, a pack that gets them some front foot ball and half backs that use a kicking game to keep us pinned back.
SA did something similar to the All Blacks in last years championship.

The good news is that, now that we've had a dry run at it, Joe has months to plan accordingly.

thomond2006

Poor opposition aside, Andrew Conway really put his hand up for selection on Friday night.

leakyboots

Would love to see him at fullback, fearless and brilliant under the high ball and super counterattacker. I'd be a bit less sure of his clearance kicking but Italy is the game to try out one of the other options than RK. Will tear my hair out if he plays against Italy

Mr Tickle

leakyboots wrote: »

Would love to see him at fullback, fearless and brilliant under the high ball and super counterattacker. I'd be a bit less sure of his clearance kicking but Italy is the game to try out one of the other options than RK. Will tear my hair out if he plays against Italy

Yeah i'd rather see a different option for that game. RK is the known quantity but the decision could be made that he needs game time if he's going to play france and/or wales.
I'd like Henshaw to get another go too if he's fit. May as well see if he's learned from the England game. If he goes well, it might be a live option going forward. If he's weak there against Italy then we can put the notion to bed. Conway could be on one of the wings and cover 15.

cadaliac

leakyboots wrote: »

Would love to see him at fullback, fearless and brilliant under the high ball and super counterattacker. I'd be a bit less sure of his clearance kicking but Italy is the game to try out one of the other options than RK. Will tear my hair out if he plays against Italy

if RK plays?
If so, I agree with you. Italy the game for changes (where needed).

Shefwedfan

leakyboots wrote: »

Would love to see him at fullback, fearless and brilliant under the high ball and super counterattacker. I'd be a bit less sure of his clearance kicking but Italy is the game to try out one of the other options than RK. Will tear my hair out if he plays against Italy

Did Conway play FB at weekend? or was he on the wing?

brinty

Shefwedfan wrote:

Did Conway play FB at weekend? or was he on the wing?

Wing
Haley was at full back

Shefwedfan

brinty wrote: »

Wing
Haley was at full back

I don't see why we have the constant mentions of Conway at FB when he is not playing FB for Munster


If Ireland wanted him to play FB he would have been playing FB for Munster.....it's fairly simple

aloooof

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If Ireland wanted him to play FB he would have been playing FB for Munster.....it's fairly simple

The Henshaw selection all of 2 weeks ago proves that this doesn't necessarily need to be the case.

salmocab

I’d say Kearney will start against Italy, he needs game time. The break to The French game would be too long.

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

The Henshaw selection all of 2 weeks ago proves that this doesn't necessarily need to be the case.

Not really....but some fans will continue talking about it



Joe said the plan was to play Henshaw at 15 in AI's....Conway was available all AI's, did he play 15?

aloooof

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not really....but some fans will continue talking about it

Did you read my post? I'll put it another way. What you're saying doesn't follow.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

If Ireland wanted him to play FB he would have been playing FB for Munster.....it's fairly simple

"If Ireland wanted Henshaw to play FB he would have been playing FB for Leisnter.....it's fairly simple"

EachSmallChime

Would it make sense for Jack Carty to get a bench spot this weekend?

He had a near perfect game at the weekend and if not now, then he runs the risk of getting his first cap at the world cup which might not be ideal.

Or Wales in the summer I guess.

Mr Tickle

EachSmallChime wrote: »

Would it make sense for Jack Carty to get a bench spot this weekend?

He had a near perfect game at the weekend and if not now, then he runs the risk of getting his first cap at the world cup which might not be ideal.

Or Wales in the summer I guess.

I guess the question is do we go into this game with sexton out of the 23. Carbery should start a game or two. i'd have thought this and France maybe.

In that case will Joe risk leaving Sexton out entirely? personally i'd think we should be confident enough to put Italy away without him. Even if it's not pretty we should be able to grind out a win.

Eod100

Mr Tickle wrote: »

I guess the question is do we go into this game with sexton out of the 23. Carbery should start a game or two. i'd have thought this and France maybe.

In that case will Joe risk leaving Sexton out entirely? personally i'd think we should be confident enough to put Italy away without him. Even if it's not pretty we should be able to grind out a win.

Think choice is between getting Sexton and Murray clicking before subbing either and giving Carbery more experience. After Carbery getting more game-time than planned against Scotland, wouldn't be too surprised to see Sexton start.

If Sexton had done 60 or 70 mins vs Scotland could easily have been other way around.

Burkie1203

cadaliac wrote: »

if RK plays?
If so, I agree with you. Italy the game for changes (where needed).

The problem with that is you run the risk of guys not playing in 3 weeks unless you send them back to provinces.

Mr Tickle

Eod100 wrote: »

Think choice is between getting Sexton and Murray clicking before subbing either and giving Carbery more experience. After Carbery getting more game-time than planned against Scotland, wouldn't be too surprised to see Sexton start.

If Sexton had done 60 or 70 mins vs Scotland could easily have been other way around.

Well in that case i wonder can we justify giving Carty some experience over Carbery. It would be useful to have addison in the team in that case to cover our backs a bit better.

Former Former

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Well in that case i wonder can we justify giving Carty some experience over Carbery. It would be useful to have addison in the team in that case to cover our backs a bit better.

No, Carbery needs the game time. Wouldn't mind seeing him start but there isn't any argument for involving Carty.