Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

Burkie1203

Carty or Byrne at 10 this weekend

We're gonna win the World Cup

Burkie1203

Bealham is in this video

https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1166326998270169089?s=19

Burkie1203

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Carty or Byrne at 10 this weekend

jammiedodgers

More drama in Fair City!

Burkie1203

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Bealham is in this video

https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1166326998270169089?s=19

Big news. Haircut for Stockdale.

https://twitter.com/RuaidhriOC/status/1166293310748672008

Trying to own the loss. Makes sense.

is_that_so

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nobody knows if the settled squad will make a difference


If they get dumped out in group then it will be a disaster....if they win the WC it will be a success and everyone will do it next time.....

I think it's hard to call at this juncture, given how poor the opposition were. They do seem fitter, more focused and in control of things. I also reckon it's the pressure that will make or break them. As we know they've a few who can buckle and turn victories into defeats.

Some Yoke

thomond2006 wrote: »

Schmidt announces the return of Simon Zebo who bursts into the room to Stone Cold Steve Austin's music.

I liked the explosion of flames, rock music and darkening of the room as Donnacha Ryan dressed as Kane entered the room too

MarinersBlues

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Bealham is in this video

It wouldn't have been any harm to bring up Heffernan or Delahunt while there was a car heading that way.

Deleted User wrote: »

Big news. Haircut for Stockdale.

Definite signs of the squad getting it's **** together.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

Big news. Haircut for Stockdale.

Must be part of Week 7 of pre-season! Good call though as it was affecting his aerodynamics and he looked foppish. Very non-rugby image.

shootermacg

I think it's good the heat is off Joe this time around, it's not like his job is at risk. So really, he could ignore the meeja if he so wished.

Former Former

Bealham back in. Ireland the only team in world rugby whose squad is getting BIGGER as the world cup approaches

Mr Tickle

Deleted User wrote: »

Big news. Haircut for Stockdale.

He's been talking to Madigan

shootermacg

Former Former wrote: »

Bealham back in. Ireland the only team in world rugby whose squad is getting BIGGER as the world cup approaches

Jesus I hope nothing has happened to one of our tight-heads!

Mr Tickle

shootermacg wrote: »

Jesus I hope nothing has happened to one of our tight-heads!

Presumably it's just to fill out the squad while Healy recovers
Edit: i know he's a TH but he's done both and is the most up to date with the game plan.

Prince Andrew

I can see a long Autumn ahead for all you Paddys. The best of luck travelling to the far side of the world without a decent flyhalf or indeed an operational lineout, it is not really going to happen is it?

I find it intriguing that your teams' performance has capitulated since your Kiwi manager inappropriately elected to inform his entire management team and the actual team that he had basically lost all appetite for the job and was buggering off back home to take over the All Blacks.

I do hope you manage to scramble through the Welsh for the next couple of games before the Jocks lay you bare to the world in 3 weeks. I wish you well in your hopeless endeavours. Losing to Scotland will be so embarrassing to you guys I know, never mind, heads up okay?

I found it most disconcerting that your national press have taken to interviewing former players to boost the confidence of the current squad. What an absolute shambles.

Tally ho Paddies.

Shefwedfan

Prince Andrew wrote: »

I can see a long Autumn ahead for all you Paddys. The best of luck travelling to the far side of the world without a decent flyhalf or indeed an operational lineout, it is not really going to happen is it?

I find it intriguing that your teams' performance has capitulated since your Kiwi manager inappropriately elected to inform his entire management team and the actual team that he had basically lost all appetite for the job and was buggering off back home to take over the All Blacks.

I do hope you manage to scramble through the Welsh for the next couple of games before the Jocks lay you bare to the world in 3 weeks. I wish you well in your hopeless endeavours. Losing to Scotland will be so embarrassing to you guys I know, never mind, heads up okay?

I found it most disconcerting that your national press have taken to interviewing former players to boost the confidence of the current squad. What an absolute shambles.

Tally ho Paddies.

Prince Andrew, I would of thought you had bigger problem to worry about than what the Irish rugby team are up to......

tototoe

Phew, at least Joe is owning the problem...whatever the problem is

What a load of horse manure.

is_that_so

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Prince Andrew, I would of thought you had bigger problem to worry about than what the Irish rugby team are up to......

Not feeding time!

Prince Andrew

Prince Andrew wrote: »

I can see a long Autumn ahead for all you Paddys. The best of luck travelling to the far side of the world without a decent flyhalf or indeed an operational lineout, it is not really going to happen is it?

I find it intriguing that your teams' performance has capitulated since your Kiwi manager inappropriately elected to inform his entire management team and the actual team that he had basically lost all appetite for the job and was buggering off back home to take over the All Blacks.

I do hope you manage to scramble through the Welsh for the next couple of games before the Jocks lay you bare to the world in 3 weeks. I wish you well in your hopeless endeavours. Losing to Scotland will be so embarrassing to you guys I know, never mind, heads up okay?

I found it most disconcerting that your national press have taken to interviewing former players to boost the confidence of the current squad. What an absolute shambles.

Tally ho Paddies.

Not bad, not great either. There is some promise. You are supposed to be subtle enough to get people to actually argue against you in earnest.

ionadnapokot

Is there no stone Rassie and Van Grahn wont unturn
Felix Jones the new SA attack coach
Fourie du Preez was brought in to "coach" the kickers last year

https://www.the42.ie/felix-jones-south-africa-attack-coach-reports-4783798-Aug2019/

https://www.the42.ie/munster-world-cup-cover-4783188-Aug2019/

Bogwoppit

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Is there no stone Rassie and Van Grahn wont unturn
Felix Jones the new SA attack coach
Fourie du Preez was brought in to "coach" the kickers last year

https://www.the42.ie/felix-jones-south-africa-attack-coach-reports-4783798-Aug2019/

https://www.the42.ie/munster-world-cup-cover-4783188-Aug2019/

If they get him in before the WC it gives us a better chance of beating them if we meet.

aloooof

Bogwoppit wrote: »

If they get him in before the WC it gives us a better chance of beating them if we meet.

How do you figure that??

Bogwoppit

aloooof wrote: »

How do you figure that??

Munster’s attack wasn’t much of a weapon under his guidance was it.

jacothelad

Deleted User wrote: »

Rumour and might just be speculation.

Best being dropped, won't be travelling to Japan and replacement Captain being announced by Joe this afternoon.

Just doing the rounds on WhatsApp, no idea if accurate.

Sad to say and as a fan of the man, I hope he has pulled the plug himself. He simply isn't capable now. Every great player suddenly finds they are falling off the cliff. Very few get to retire at the peak of their game and Rory's best is long gone.


A few others have been 'resting on their laurel's for quite a while but don't seem to be amenable to being dropped while others rarely get the opportunity to show their paces in green. I know it's a delicate balancing act between the top players and their rivals but a few guys have been mince for a while, Best included.



Every coach is on the road to ultimate failure - with the usually rare exception of the man i/c the All Blacks. Ideas become stale and game plans become compromised by the opposition working out how to nullify them. Players get older and less effective. The old saw that form is temporary, class is permanent is tosh. Form is temporary but getting older isn't. People lose the edge that made them the best, guys lose speed of foot and speed of thought and lose power and possibly most importantly, lose the mental edge. Perhaps that is why Ireland have fallen from the peak they so deserved.

Prince Andrew

Sorry old boys, it does appear that I have received an infraction from your minders over my previous controversial post.

I would have thought you rugger scribes to be well up to a bit of competitive banter, one always has felt it is in the spirit of the game don't you think?

Anyway , head up old boys , only 3 weeks to go. Who knows , maybe if you can get your overpaid nancy instagram riddled back row to actually make a tackle or two, you chaps might have a half chance against the Welsh boys.

Let me know when you have developed some sort of a ball carrying game plan, won't you ?

Tara.

MOD: Banned for trolling. Everyone else can ignore this now.

the.red.baron

there is no chance that he will drop best from the squad



go on outta that


hilarious


If there even was an alternative

Shefwedfan

jacothelad wrote: »

Sad to say and as a fan of the man, I hope he has pulled the plug himself. He simply isn't capable now. Every great player suddenly finds they are falling off the cliff. Very few get to retire at the peak of their game and Rory's best is long gone.


A few others have been 'resting on their laurel's for quite a while but don't seem to be amenable to being dropped while others rarely get the opportunity to show their paces in green. I know it's a delicate balancing act between the top players and their rivals but a few guys have been mince for a while, Best included.



Every coach is on the road to ultimate failure - with the usually rare exception of the man i/c the All Blacks. Ideas become stale and game plans become compromised by the opposition working out how to nullify them. Players get older and less effective. The old saw that form is temporary, class is permanent is tosh. Form is temporary but getting older isn't. People lose the edge that made them the best, guys lose speed of foot and speed of thought and lose power and possibly most importantly, lose the mental edge. Perhaps that is why Ireland have fallen from the peak they so deserved.

Best won't retire before the WC and Joe won't pull him from the squad. Even if he isn't starting he will travel and will play in the group games. Throwig out his experience at this stage would be idiotic. Also throwing out the captain for the last 4 years a few days before the WC would be idiotic


Also why would they retire him based on a preseason friendly?

jacothelad

thomond2006 wrote: »

Schmidt announces the return of Simon Zebo who bursts into the room to Stone Cold Steve Austin's music.

He has piled on the kilos so if he burst into the room he'd take out everyone within the blast radius.:D

whatawaster

Prince Andrew wrote: »

Sorry old boys, it does appear that I have received an infraction from your minders over my previous controversial post.

I would have thought you rugger scribes to be well up to a bit of competitive banter, one always has felt it is in the spirit of the game don't you think?

Anyway , head up old boys , only 3 weeks to go. Who knows , maybe if you can get your overpaid nancy instagram riddled back row to actually make a tackle or two, you chaps might have a half chance against the Welsh boys.

Let me know when you have developed some sort of a ball carrying game plan, won't you ?

Tara.

Palmer Tomkinson?

Shefwedfan

Prince Andrew wrote: »

Sorry old boys, it does appear that I have received an infraction from your minders over my previous controversial post.

I would have thought you rugger scribes to be well up to a bit of competitive banter, one always has felt it is in the spirit of the game don't you think?

Anyway , head up old boys , only 3 weeks to go. Who knows , maybe if you can get your overpaid nancy instagram riddled back row to actually make a tackle or two, you chaps might have a half chance against the Welsh boys.

Let me know when you have developed some sort of a ball carrying game plan, won't you ?

Tara.

Best of luck Tara....it might be worth having a look at those pesky French:p I think you might have a few issues yourself....but England always get out of the group :eek:



Anyway don't worry, its not like the England team always crack's under pressure.......:p

Shefwedfan

jacothelad wrote: »

He has piled on the kilos so if he burst into the room he'd take out everyone within the blast radius.:D

They had planned on him bursting into the room but he got wedged in the door :P

Tomtom364

It would almost be comical to see some peoples reactions if Best did step aside and Joe named the new captain as the next most likely choice POM (dont rate Sexton as a capt let him get on with his game and try not to peeve off the ref too much)

jacothelad

Prince Andrew wrote: »

I can see a long Autumn ahead for all you Paddys. The best of luck travelling to the far side of the world without a decent flyhalf or indeed an operational lineout, it is not really going to happen is it?

I find it intriguing that your teams' performance has capitulated since your Kiwi manager inappropriately elected to inform his entire management team and the actual team that he had basically lost all appetite for the job and was buggering off back home to take over the All Blacks.

I do hope you manage to scramble through the Welsh for the next couple of games before the Jocks lay you bare to the world in 3 weeks. I wish you well in your hopeless endeavours. Losing to Scotland will be so embarrassing to you guys I know, never mind, heads up okay?

I found it most disconcerting that your national press have taken to interviewing former players to boost the confidence of the current squad. What an absolute shambles.

Tally ho Paddies.

You Germans. You're a real bundle of intelligent humour.

things can only improve when up against a second-string Welsh team without the sort of dynamic physical beasts like Tuilagi, Itoje, Vunipola etc that England had last week.

any sort of boost to the current confidence levels is much needed.

jacothelad

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Best won't retire before the WC and Joe won't pull him from the squad. Even if he isn't starting he will travel and will play in the group games. Throwig out his experience at this stage would be idiotic. Also throwing out the captain for the last 4 years a few days before the WC would be idiotic


Also why would they retire him based on a preseason friendly?

I knew he wouldn't be dropped, I'm just expressing a hope.

Utah_Saint

Key Points from Press Conference today

Keith Earls - Tendinitis
Murray passed HIA
Sexton Available but likely rested until final game
Cain Healy recovering well and looking to get back.

-We were flat vs England
-No excuses for result
-To throw everything out would be a mistake
-Some Glimpses of pretty good work
-in this time of the cycle you do get some imbalanced results.
-England appear to have clarity and know where they are at (in their cycle)
-We need to see how much more competitive we are each week.
-After this weekend selections are done.
-Jonny put back a bit with thumb injury. Should play in final warm up
-No Blame (for result) learn and adjust

aloooof

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Munster’s attack wasn’t much of a weapon under his guidance was it.

Felix has spent time coaching in the Irish setup in Japan, and has spent a lot of time coaching some of the Irish players. If Rassie gets him in, it's obviously way more beneficial to SA than to Ireland.

Shefwedfan

Utah_Saint wrote: »

Key Points from Press Conference today

Keith Earls - Tendinitis
Murray passed HIA
Sexton Available but likely rested until final game
Cain Healy recovering well and looking to get back.

-We were flat vs England
-No excuses for result
-To throw everything out would be a mistake
-Some Glimpses of pretty good work
-in this time of the cycle you do get some imbalanced results.
-England appear to have clarity and know where they are at (in their cycle)
-We need to see how much more competitive we are each week.
-After this weekend selections are done.
-Jonny put back a bit with thumb injury. Should play in final warm up
-No Blame (for result) learn and adjust

All makes sense.....

Rattlehead_ie

World Cup is in the bag lads, no worries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuKbTqp31so

sxt

Stolen from sportsjoe but this team looks realistic if they are looking to try out new guys and have cohesion and balance. I'd maybe switch farrell and henshaw positions in the midfield


1. Dave Kilcoyne (Munster)
2. Niall Scannell (Munster)
3. John Ryan (Munster)

4. Devin Toner (Leinster)
5. James Ryan (Leinster)

6. Tadhg Beirne (Munster)
7. Josh van der Flier (Leinster)
8. Jack Conan (Leinster)

9. Kieran Marmion (Connacht)
10. Jack Carty (Connacht)

11. Jacob Stockdale (Ulster)
12. Robbie Henshaw (Leinster)
13. Chris Farrell (Munster)
14. Andrew Conway (Munster)

15. Will Addison (Ulster)

I think Henshaw has been poor every time he played 13 for Ireland. Farrell has been very good at 13. Better to play them both in their best positions.

AbusesToilets

this persistent suggestion that we play either Beirne or Henderson at 6 I ludicrous, they're both locks. You have the best six in the country for the last two seasons in Ruddock, yet people want to shoehorn players who don't regularly feature there instead. It's beyond me

wittycynic

AbusesToilets wrote: »

this persistent suggestion that we play either Beirne or Henderson at 6 I ludicrous, they're both locks. You have the best six in the country for the last two seasons in Ruddock, yet people want to shoehorn players who don't regularly feature there instead. It's beyond me

Hardly ludicrous. Both have played at six to a high level for their clubs. Both very talented players who could add some much needed bulk to our back row and both add elements we lack: strong ball carrying ability (Henderson) and ability to win turnover ball (Beirne).

Faugheen

wittycynic wrote: »

Hardly ludicrous. Both have played at six to a high level for their clubs. Both very talented players who could add some much needed bulk to our back row and both add elements we lack: strong ball carrying ability (Henderson) and ability to win turnover ball (Beirne).

Beirne won one turnover against Wales and was completely blown out of it afterwards.

He’s so over-rated on here that it’s criminal.

shootermacg

Faugheen wrote: »

Beirne won one turnover against Wales and was completely blown out of it afterwards.

He’s so over-rated on here that it’s criminal.

Lets just give him a chance at six.

AbusesToilets

wittycynic wrote: »

Hardly ludicrous. Both have played at six to a high level for their clubs. Both very talented players who could add some much needed bulk to our back row and both add elements we lack: strong ball carrying ability (Henderson) and ability to win turnover ball (Beirne).

Both are poorer 6s than Ruddock, how is one of the most physically powerful options in the backroom we have. A team with Toner, Ryan and Henderson as lock options is our best configuration.

Beirne has done nothing to suggest to me he's an effective player at international level.

Riskymove

sxt wrote: »

9. Kieran Marmion (Connacht)
10. Jack Carty (Connacht)

I really don't believe in making such wholescale change to a team that simply wont play. We need to mix a bit of starter and backup

In particular I would not play backups in both 9 and 10 positions

I think in these games should be getting the backup 10 ready to play with Murray or the 9 with Sexton

so I'd probably go Murray with Carty and then have Marmion and sexton in next game